Of refeeds and diet breaks
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »So far, with a high of 220lbs at 5'5 I have not a sniff of loose skin. Now that may change but maybe not. I have lost very slowly, 60lbs over 2.5 years and also good genetics, also barely a sniff of a wrinkle on my face.
Stretch marks though, I have the motherload due to stopping gymnastics and immediately plunging into puberty once all of my energy was now able to go into getting all that going having been delayed (I was a very serious athlete, trained 4-5 days a week so puberty was on delay). But I think I'll take stretchmarks over loose skin but would have just rolled with it anyway.
Such a change through the waist and now you have the (weirdly coveted now, like thigh gaps) back dimples!
Hopefully this doesn't sound creepy @VintageFeline but I have been impressed with you. You caught my eye when I admitted to eating ice cream that fell on the floor and was covered in dog hair because I had weighed it out. Then you admitted to eating stuff that had cat hair on it! I have seen your posts here and there and have noticed the changes in your profile picture and have continually been impressed with your perseverance to keep at it. I really think that slow and steady has paid off in a big way for you!
@Nony_Mouse I totally see a difference! Refresh my memory - was that a fast woosh? I see some changes in your arms too!
That's from when I started back at a deficit mid-August until now (last weekend). Six painful weeks of straight deficit, in which I lost 1.7 kg on the scale, then diet break for 10 days, weekly refeeds since (another six weeks all up since end of diet break), 2.3 kg in the six weeks since diet break (maybe a little more currently taking a swim in fluid retention). There are changes all over. Basically I've leaned out pretty impressively in the past six weeks!
So more results since you've added in refeeds?!?
In scale weight loss, definite yes. In terms of leanness, subjective yes. If only I'd thought to take photos at diet break! But honestly, the difference between starting point and then was miniscule. It's possibly actually miniscule between diet break and now too, but it does seem like along with losing scale weight more easily, more of that has been fat.5 -
^^absolute pure speculation on the more fat loss3
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I just ordered some from Amazon. Thanks!1
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@Nony_Mouse, definite difference I can see!
@VintageFeline, very lucky that you've got no issues with loose skin. I have bad ones on my tummy because of pregnancy weight gain. Incidentally, I love that lifting thread with the progress pics you posted. So inspirational.
For those who lift, how "clean" must your diet be? Are macros really important in order to see real results? I've seen a couple of comments in that thread about clean diets. This would be my downfall/impediment to any lifting program I do - at this stage, I don't think I can last very long with eating "clean" (by that, I assume no junk food??).
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@Nony_Mouse, definite difference I can see!
@VintageFeline, very lucky that you've got no issues with loose skin. I have bad ones on my tummy because of pregnancy weight gain. Incidentally, I love that lifting thread with the progress pics you posted. So inspirational.
For those who lift, how "clean" must your diet be? Are macros really important in order to see real results? I've seen a couple of comments in that thread about clean diets. This would be my downfall/impediment to any lifting program I do - at this stage, I don't think I can last very long with eating "clean" (by that, I assume no junk food??).
Clean eating is bs, don't worry about it. Protein is important, but beyond that, eat whatever.
And thanks
I'm currently looking like I may be starting diet break a day early: terrible night's sleep plus mega hay fever this morning, combatted with a hefty amount of antihistamines, and I am soooo tired. And PMS hunger is in force. I was (am?) hoping to get a walk in, but I just managed to stand on a bee on my back lawn (
RIP little honey maker), so we'll see what the joint of my toe, currently being iced, has to say about that. On the bright side, no sign of insta swelling thanks to all the antihistamines... 5 -
@Nony_Mouse, definite difference I can see!
@VintageFeline, very lucky that you've got no issues with loose skin. I have bad ones on my tummy because of pregnancy weight gain. Incidentally, I love that lifting thread with the progress pics you posted. So inspirational.
For those who lift, how "clean" must your diet be? Are macros really important in order to see real results? I've seen a couple of comments in that thread about clean diets. This would be my downfall/impediment to any lifting program I do - at this stage, I don't think I can last very long with eating "clean" (by that, I assume no junk food??).
For me, I eat nutrient dense foods most of the time. Because I enjoy eating that way, and health. I love all sorts of foods though, and still enjoy "junk", in moderation. I track macros and make food fit. In terms of results, I think sufficient protein is important, and carbs to help growth/recovery.
Despite my username, I no longer associate with "clean eating" - I got to a point where trying to eat clean made me unhealthy mentally and physically, and I would say I was orthorexic.
My training hasn't suffered at all from being more flexible with my food choices.5 -
@Nony_Mouse, @livingleanlivingclean, thanks for the replies and good to know about flexibility.
I'm okay with moderation most of the time but not quite 80/20 yet, more like 70/30 and very cautious with trying to improve as that leads to more binges.2 -
@Nony_Mouse, definite difference I can see!
@VintageFeline, very lucky that you've got no issues with loose skin. I have bad ones on my tummy because of pregnancy weight gain. Incidentally, I love that lifting thread with the progress pics you posted. So inspirational.
For those who lift, how "clean" must your diet be? Are macros really important in order to see real results? I've seen a couple of comments in that thread about clean diets. This would be my downfall/impediment to any lifting program I do - at this stage, I don't think I can last very long with eating "clean" (by that, I assume no junk food??).
Thank you! I have way more recent progress than that but I'm kind of holding out for "switch to recomp" update and then a year after that "progress/results so far of recomp". I've no kids, not having any and didn't spend much time at my highest weight, mostly hung out as overweight as an adult so I think that massively helps along with lucky genetics. Weird thing is my mum is obese but has no stretch marks. So I didn't get those genes.
As for macros and "clean" eating, I'll echo the above. I don't worry a jot about it, I don't have the head space for all that unnecessary hooha. I hit my protein, get enough fat because it's important for hormones and nutrient absorption and let my carbs fall where they making sure I get some starch in my day because I need it for workouts and satiety. I eat plenty of so called junk and convenience foods, I have to really, I live alone and am not always safe to cook beyond the microwave.3 -
@Nony_Mouse, @livingleanlivingclean, thanks for the replies and good to know about flexibility.
I'm okay with moderation most of the time but not quite 80/20 yet, more like 70/30 and very cautious with trying to improve as that leads to more binges.
I don't even think about percentages... The less I stress about food the better!3 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »@Nony_Mouse, @livingleanlivingclean, thanks for the replies and good to know about flexibility.
I'm okay with moderation most of the time but not quite 80/20 yet, more like 70/30 and very cautious with trying to improve as that leads to more binges.
I don't even think about percentages... The less I stress about food the better!
So true. I used % to give a sense of what I've been eating, I don't stick to it everyday (some days can be all nutrient dense foods, other days I only have them for breakfast and "junk" for the rest of the day and yet other days where all my pre-planning can be thrown out of the window because I just feel like eating something else, clean or junk!).VintageFeline wrote: »@Nony_Mouse, definite difference I can see!
@VintageFeline, very lucky that you've got no issues with loose skin. I have bad ones on my tummy because of pregnancy weight gain. Incidentally, I love that lifting thread with the progress pics you posted. So inspirational.
For those who lift, how "clean" must your diet be? Are macros really important in order to see real results? I've seen a couple of comments in that thread about clean diets. This would be my downfall/impediment to any lifting program I do - at this stage, I don't think I can last very long with eating "clean" (by that, I assume no junk food??).
Thank you! I have way more recent progress than that but I'm kind of holding out for "switch to recomp" update and then a year after that "progress/results so far of recomp". I've no kids, not having any and didn't spend much time at my highest weight, mostly hung out as overweight as an adult so I think that massively helps along with lucky genetics. Weird thing is my mum is obese but has no stretch marks. So I didn't get those genes.
As for macros and "clean" eating, I'll echo the above. I don't worry a jot about it, I don't have the head space for all that unnecessary hooha. I hit my protein, get enough fat because it's important for hormones and nutrient absorption and let my carbs fall where they making sure I get some starch in my day because I need it for workouts and satiety. I eat plenty of so called junk and convenience foods, I have to really, I live alone and am not always safe to cook beyond the microwave.
Thanks! Would love to see your progress update when you're ready!
I may get brave one day and post it here too
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »@Nony_Mouse, @livingleanlivingclean, thanks for the replies and good to know about flexibility.
I'm okay with moderation most of the time but not quite 80/20 yet, more like 70/30 and very cautious with trying to improve as that leads to more binges.
I don't even think about percentages... The less I stress about food the better!
So true. I used % to give a sense of what I've been eating, I don't stick to it everyday (some days can be all nutrient dense foods, other days I only have them for breakfast and "junk" for the rest of the day and yet other days where all my pre-planning can be thrown out of the window because I just feel like eating something else, clean or junk!).
Yeah I don't worry about percentages either. Normally it's mostly 'whole nutritious foods', just because, but today already I've had two nut protein bars and two 15g dark chocolate minis, b/c a) PMS, and b) self soothing post bee sting. This is also why diet break may be starting a day early...either that or I need to completely rethink dinner. And probably still have to go for a walk.
It also occurs to me (at nearly 4.30 on Friday afternoon) that I have put no thought into this weekend's food, because not doing refeed. I probably will go carb heavy tomorrow though, just to bump up my glycogen stores for hiking.1 -
I'm probably going to start refeed tomorrow. I'm hungry basically but also having what I think/am fairly certain is a new pattern for me. Bi-monthly mental meds interacting with BC and just my general hormones (because on ovary hates me, I've always had bi-monthly differences). A week of horrible fatigue and general feeling off, early cramps (pill break doesn't start till Thursday), headaches, sleep all over the place demonstrated by me being awake at 3.30am and I'm sure other things I'm forgetting.
So tomorrow, carbs, give me all the carbs. Of course I'm also in peak mental hermit mode with the clock change making the SAD kick in full force which triggers a bunch of other stuff. But I need to actually go and get carbs. Bloody brain.
Waffling over.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I'm probably going to start refeed tomorrow. I'm hungry basically but also having what I think/am fairly certain is a new pattern for me. Bi-monthly mental meds interacting with BC and just my general hormones (because on ovary hates me, I've always had bi-monthly differences). A week of horrible fatigue and general feeling off, early cramps (pill break doesn't start till Thursday), headaches, sleep all over the place demonstrated by me being awake at 3.30am and I'm sure other things I'm forgetting.
So tomorrow, carbs, give me all the carbs. Of course I'm also in peak mental hermit mode with the clock change making the SAD kick in full force which triggers a bunch of other stuff. But I need to actually go and get carbs. Bloody brain.
Waffling over.
Wondered what you were doing up in the middle of the night.
I am now having Greek yoghurt and tinned peaches for dinner (this is actually a huge bowl, and will help with my sweet cravings). And walk will be to the supermarket to get a couple of things plus cash for veggie market tomorrow morning.2 -
Deficit rescued, huzzah!! I may still eat some of it, and I'm being recalcitrant and not logging the piece of dried fruit and four almonds that I had as I left the supermarket.1
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I agree with everything you just said and it mirrors my thought process of what dieting was about. My deficit is at 1200 also to loose between 1.0 - 1.5 calories per week. When I did my DB, I set my maintenance a 1750. I gained 2# the first week and kept it there the second week, but 3 days at eating at deficit again, it is gone. Good luck to you!
Thanks @Leeg5656 That's helpful to know. Much appreciated.
Well, I just got back from a busy day to check what was happening in the Refeeds thread...75 new updates for me to read lol!
Oh my gosh all the talk of thighs brought back my teenage days spent poring over the book Thin Thighs in Thirty Days in the hope it was going to magically transform me. I haven't achieved those thin thighs in thirty years. I suspect it ain't happenin' in the next thirty either.
And @Nony_Mouse you look awesome in those photos. Congrats on your progress!1 -
@Nony_Mouse, definite difference I can see!
@VintageFeline, very lucky that you've got no issues with loose skin. I have bad ones on my tummy because of pregnancy weight gain. Incidentally, I love that lifting thread with the progress pics you posted. So inspirational.
For those who lift, how "clean" must your diet be? Are macros really important in order to see real results? I've seen a couple of comments in that thread about clean diets. This would be my downfall/impediment to any lifting program I do - at this stage, I don't think I can last very long with eating "clean" (by that, I assume no junk food??).
I have just the thread for you.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10503952/bro-do-you-even-eat-clean/p12 -
Thanks @JoLightensUp, and yep, we've been chatty!
I'm just planning my first full day hike of the season (and first full day since blowing my knee). Baseline food is logged, though I suspect I've under-estimated. I based it on the lower end of how long it should take, and previous TDEEs for similar hikes time-wise. I'll have extra food anyway, because I always plan for being stuck in the bush for the night. My usual strategy with hike food (mostly nut protein bars and chocolate) is to just count the wrappers when I get home so I can log them It's going to be a golden sunny day, so I should get some awesome photos from 1100m up!! 4 -
Oh and for anyone interested, this page shows the elevation profile of the hike down the bottom
http://my.viewranger.com/route/details/MTA0NDA=3 -
That’s a helluva hike @Nony_Mouse! I’d like to hike something like that one day. When I’m not a hermit lol. And just to mime all responses, “clean” eating is another form of nightmare fuel I went through as well. Orthorexia ahoy.
Nutrient density doesn’t have to be “clean” .. just focus on foods that get you the best bang for your buck depending on your goal. Set protein, then set the other two as you see fit. And because I’m an introvert, my cooking style is “crap in a pan” and served on “premium paper” plates. So in that sense, nutrient density comes in the form of eggs or carton egg whites, canned meat, supermarket deli meat, or microwaveable roast, actual vegetables, pork rinds, halo top ice cream, and protein bars. Basically my nutrients are fortified. I’m practically a child lol.7 -
On the question of clean eating, I generally eat nutrient dense foods because I enjoy them and they keep me full longer. But you know, I did say upthread that I'm filling up calories with M&M's, so there's room in my life for some treats too.
And I love me some sugary breakfast cereal. Speaking of which... refeed starts today!
I did confirm I'm losing more quickly than Fitbit predicts. I had a 1.2 pound loss this week on only a 3,164 calorie weekly deficit.
It's making me wonder if this is part of what had played into my binging in the past because I'd never quite crunched my numbers this exactly.
Anyway. That was a nice thing to wake up to.6
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