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Aaron_K123 wrote: »I only travel by jet ski. If it doesn't have an inlet, a canal or a fjord it isn't worth going to that is what I say.
I've always wondered what people mean by "you can't get there from here."3 -
I don't know why anyone flies unless they have some Godforsaken reason to have to go overseas. And for most people that never happens. I've never heard anyone say a good word about the flying experience, the costs associated with it or anything else having to do with flying. Continental U.S. and Europe have rail. Screw flying. You can be fat on a train and it's okay. Go Amtrak for God's sake.
I love flying, I travel every opportunity I get. I honestly have a harder time understanding people who seem to think airline travel is so terrible.
Also, Amtrak? Yeah, maybe if you love in the north east. When I lived in New York I took the train to Baltimore, DC, and Philly a lot, it was quicker than flying once you factor in time at the airport. But now I live in dallas, and literally nowhere is faster by train, including factoring time at the airport.
My opinion, people make flying worse on themselves by telling themselves how bad it’ll be. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yep, get outside the northeast Amtrak sucks if you really need to get someplace. My son moved 1100 miles away. There is an airport in my community. Also an Amtrak station. One of the trains goes directly to where my son lives. With one stop I can fly in 4 hours. I can drive it in 15. If I took Amtrak it would take 24 freaking hours.
Since there are usually multiple family members going and we want a car when we get there we drive.
With that said, 1100-1200 miles, a hard day of driving is about my limit for a driving trip, unless there are a lot intermittent stops involved3 -
I don't know why anyone flies unless they have some Godforsaken reason to have to go overseas. And for most people that never happens. I've never heard anyone say a good word about the flying experience, the costs associated with it or anything else having to do with flying. Continental U.S. and Europe have rail. Screw flying. You can be fat on a train and it's okay. Go Amtrak for God's sake.
Next month I have to go audit warehouses in south Texas. I can make it an overnight trip flying. Driving would be a five day ordeal (26 hours each way + a day for the audits). Rail? 2 full days one way by rail and bus for the final leg, and more expensive then airfare.
I actually like driving and taking trains when touring, but I don't want to waste a whole week on the road for a task I can knock out in a day.9 -
Packerjohn wrote: »I don't know why anyone flies unless they have some Godforsaken reason to have to go overseas. And for most people that never happens. I've never heard anyone say a good word about the flying experience, the costs associated with it or anything else having to do with flying. Continental U.S. and Europe have rail. Screw flying. You can be fat on a train and it's okay. Go Amtrak for God's sake.
I love flying, I travel every opportunity I get. I honestly have a harder time understanding people who seem to think airline travel is so terrible.
Also, Amtrak? Yeah, maybe if you love in the north east. When I lived in New York I took the train to Baltimore, DC, and Philly a lot, it was quicker than flying once you factor in time at the airport. But now I live in dallas, and literally nowhere is faster by train, including factoring time at the airport.
My opinion, people make flying worse on themselves by telling themselves how bad it’ll be. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yep, get outside the northeast Amtrak sucks if you really need to get someplace. My son moved 1100 miles away. There is an airport in my community. Also an Amtrak station. One of the trains goes directly to where my son lives. With one stop I can fly in 4 hours. I can drive it in 15. If I took Amtrak it would take 24 freaking hours.
Since there are usually multiple family members going and we want a car when we get there we drive.
With that said, 1100-1200 miles, a hard day of driving is about my limit for a driving trip, unless there are a lot intermittent stops involved
Any family member of mine who moved a thousand miles away would remain loved, but would be the one to do the traveling when visits took place.
It goes both ways.13 -
I don't know why anyone flies unless they have some Godforsaken reason to have to go overseas. And for most people that never happens. I've never heard anyone say a good word about the flying experience, the costs associated with it or anything else having to do with flying. Continental U.S. and Europe have rail. Screw flying. You can be fat on a train and it's okay. Go Amtrak for God's sake.
Next month I have to go audit warehouses in south Texas. I can make it an overnight trip flying. Driving would be a five day ordeal (26 hours each way + a day for the audits). Rail? 2 full days one way by rail and bus for the final leg, and more expensive then airfare.
I actually like driving and taking trains when touring, but I don't want to waste a whole week on the road for a task I can knock out in a day.
But you get a meat with a starch and a frozen vegetable medley for lunch and dinner, plus a newspaper included in the price. And panoramic sightseeing.
Seriously though, if your employer isn't springing for 1st class nowadays, I'd renegotiate. Or audit warehouses within driving distance.
I really hope that's tongue in cheek.
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I don't know why anyone flies unless they have some Godforsaken reason to have to go overseas. And for most people that never happens. I've never heard anyone say a good word about the flying experience, the costs associated with it or anything else having to do with flying. Continental U.S. and Europe have rail. Screw flying. You can be fat on a train and it's okay. Go Amtrak for God's sake.
Next month I have to go audit warehouses in south Texas. I can make it an overnight trip flying. Driving would be a five day ordeal (26 hours each way + a day for the audits). Rail? 2 full days one way by rail and bus for the final leg, and more expensive then airfare.
I actually like driving and taking trains when touring, but I don't want to waste a whole week on the road for a task I can knock out in a day.
But you get a meat with a starch and a frozen vegetable medley for lunch and dinner, plus a newspaper included in the price. And panoramic sightseeing.
Seriously though, if your employer isn't springing for 1st class nowadays, I'd renegotiate. Or audit warehouses within driving distance.
Doubt many employers are paying for first class. The tight *kitten* where I work make you fly coach to Asia from the US on business.3 -
My employer pays for first class for any flight over 1500 Miles. Which sucks, because I usually fly DFW to La Guardia, which is 1449 miles. I suspect the 1500 mile rule is not so arbitrary.10
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Packerjohn wrote: »I don't know why anyone flies unless they have some Godforsaken reason to have to go overseas. And for most people that never happens. I've never heard anyone say a good word about the flying experience, the costs associated with it or anything else having to do with flying. Continental U.S. and Europe have rail. Screw flying. You can be fat on a train and it's okay. Go Amtrak for God's sake.
Next month I have to go audit warehouses in south Texas. I can make it an overnight trip flying. Driving would be a five day ordeal (26 hours each way + a day for the audits). Rail? 2 full days one way by rail and bus for the final leg, and more expensive then airfare.
I actually like driving and taking trains when touring, but I don't want to waste a whole week on the road for a task I can knock out in a day.
But you get a meat with a starch and a frozen vegetable medley for lunch and dinner, plus a newspaper included in the price. And panoramic sightseeing.
Seriously though, if your employer isn't springing for 1st class nowadays, I'd renegotiate. Or audit warehouses within driving distance.
Doubt many employers are paying for first class. The tight *kitten* where I work make you fly coach to Asia from the US on business.
How could anyone even stand to go through that? Especially if one has fat thighs.
At one point they would pay for business class for a continuous flight of more that 9 hours. So from our location in the midwest you were coach to most of Europe, but could get business class to Asia. With business conditions, nobody gets business class now.
Had to sit middle seat on the side of the plane seats right in front of the bathroom. Was next to a big guy that was having smoking withdrawals and restless . He was asking if I knew where you could smoke in O Hare while we were taxing to the runway in Brussels.2 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »I just don't think society should pressure them to do that as it is really against societies best interests to do so.
Remember society isn't a single cohesive thing with distinct interests. It's made up of all the people, and all their competing interests. Short term ones like having accommodations available that can accommodate people, and long term ones like improving health and longevity.
I don't think the obesity issue is going away any time soon. It will probably get worse not better. I don't think expecting obese people to just suck it up serves society's best interests at all. Making things that happen occasionally more inconvenient for the obese won't solve the problem and isn't enough incentive to compete against daily life.
I don't think they're specifically saying "let's make things tough for fat people". But there are still enough customers at a body size capable of sitting comfortably enough that theyre willing to pay the airlines. I'm sure there's a tipping point, but is it the airlines shrinking them even more or a larger percentage of customers being too big for the existing size, I don't know.3 -
I think airplanes needs to have more leg space but idk about making seats wider. I guess it depends on demand. If the general population is obese, then they should make the seats bigger. I don’t think big companies bother catering to marginal groups.4
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Packerjohn wrote: »I don't know why anyone flies unless they have some Godforsaken reason to have to go overseas. And for most people that never happens. I've never heard anyone say a good word about the flying experience, the costs associated with it or anything else having to do with flying. Continental U.S. and Europe have rail. Screw flying. You can be fat on a train and it's okay. Go Amtrak for God's sake.
I love flying, I travel every opportunity I get. I honestly have a harder time understanding people who seem to think airline travel is so terrible.
Also, Amtrak? Yeah, maybe if you love in the north east. When I lived in New York I took the train to Baltimore, DC, and Philly a lot, it was quicker than flying once you factor in time at the airport. But now I live in dallas, and literally nowhere is faster by train, including factoring time at the airport.
My opinion, people make flying worse on themselves by telling themselves how bad it’ll be. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yep, get outside the northeast Amtrak sucks if you really need to get someplace. My son moved 1100 miles away. There is an airport in my community. Also an Amtrak station. One of the trains goes directly to where my son lives. With one stop I can fly in 4 hours. I can drive it in 15. If I took Amtrak it would take 24 freaking hours.
Since there are usually multiple family members going and we want a car when we get there we drive.
With that said, 1100-1200 miles, a hard day of driving is about my limit for a driving trip, unless there are a lot intermittent stops involved
Any family member of mine who moved a thousand miles away would remain loved, but would be the one to do the traveling when visits took place.
Personally have no problem travelling 1100 miles to see a family member.7 -
JerSchmare wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Not for obesity reasons such, just customer service. Yes. Airplane seats should be bigger. Service should be better. All the nickel & dime fees need to stop. This will never happen because people keep looking for the lowest fares.
Yep. Interesting article on air fares now vs 50 years ago:
Excerpt:
" A ticket on TWA in 1955 from Chicago to Phoenix, for example, cost $138 round-trip. Adjusted for inflation, that’s $1,168. But that doesn’t tell the whole story, because the average salary in the United States is higher than it was in the 1950s. That round-trip ticket between Chicago and Phoenix would cost the average person today a little more than 1% of his yearly income to purchase. Comparatively, the average person in the 1950s would pay up to 5% of his yearly salary for a chance to fly."
Full article:
https://www.fastcodesign.com/3022215/what-it-was-really-like-to-fly-during-the-golden-age-of-travel
Wow. That’s interesting.
My gut reaction is that that seems true. Prices have not really increased in my lifetime. They just keep finding ways to keep costs low.
Yep, you can get pretty good quality seats/service if you're willing to pay 5X the regular coach price on a flight.
What are you talking about. First class is only 2x the coach price. The coach price hasn’t changed in 50 years. You kind of missed the whole point.
The price difference will be all over the place. Sometimes 2X coach sometime quite a bit more.
My was in the 1950's/60's one paid 5% of typical annual pay for a normal domestic flight. Now it's 1% of annual pay. Point being if people were willing to pay 5X the price of a coach ticket now (which would be 5% of annual pay) I bet the seating room/service would be improved at that price point.3 -
Whatever size a person is they are a real person.
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I think it’s suitable for a person to have access to an appropriate sized seat, however I also think it is reasonable for there to be a charge for this.
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My irritation with the airline industry is that why should I at 56kg have to pay for excess baggage over a certain weight when a 150kg person is charged the same price for ticket and luggage?
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If people were charged extra for being over a certain weight on the plane, for sure there would be more people trying to lose it. I don't think that really gets to the issue of obese people taking up more than their seat, although I definitely understand your point about excess baggage having an extra fee, but none for excess personal weight. Someone could be broad shouldered and might not weigh that much but still infringe on someone else's space. There are already bigger seats in Business Class and First class, and even some in coach but they cost extra. If someone is big but isn't wealthy they are aren't going to buy that bigger seat (even in coach) but just squeeze into the regular seat to avoid paying more.
In my experience going overseas, if the plane is not full they will move people so that they aren't as cramped sitting in a middle seat.3 -
http://www.travelstart.co.za/blog/these-are-the-airlines-who-charge-passengers-by-their-body-weight/
I remember once seeing an episode of Candid Camera where rather than weighing the luggage, they weighed the passengers, and if the passenger was deemed overweight, they were given the choice of paying an extra fee or forfeiting their snack.
I am a relatively small person, and even I don't find airplane seats particularly comfortable. I would hate to fly if I were over six feet tall or over 200 pounds...but my husband is both, yet travels by plane nearly every week. i don't envy him.
But the issue isn't necessarily limited to air travel. Years ago, when I took public transportation to and from work, there were plenty of occasions where larger commuters would take the seat next to mine, then spill over into my space. Busses and trains don't usually have an armrest between the seats, and I think some passengers would see me as someone who didn't take up much room. Never mind the fact that I paid for an entire seat, not 75% so that the remaining quarter could be occupied by someone else. (And don't even get me started on "manspreading.")12 -
suzannesimmons3 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »GOT_Obsessed wrote: »So in your people's opinion was my comment rude?
Nope, true statement.
Yep...I hear a lot of super obese people claim discrimination because health professionals tell them they are damaging their health...I've even been told by a haas group I'm a sell out and should be ashamed of myself..why because I dared choose to lose weight for my health because you know fat is the only way to live.
A friend of mine complained about her doctor because they advised that her BMI was in the 'overweight' section and apparently people 'shouldnt be saying that to girls' .... no, she should make changes to loose weight if she didnt want to be overweight. I have been in the overweight category, I didn't shout at my doctor for telling me, I reflected on my lifestyle and tried to change.9 -
RachsLosses wrote: »suzannesimmons3 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »GOT_Obsessed wrote: »So in your people's opinion was my comment rude?
Nope, true statement.
Yep...I hear a lot of super obese people claim discrimination because health professionals tell them they are damaging their health...I've even been told by a haas group I'm a sell out and should be ashamed of myself..why because I dared choose to lose weight for my health because you know fat is the only way to live.
A friend of mine complained about her doctor because they advised that her BMI was in the 'overweight' section and apparently people 'shouldnt be saying that to girls' .... no, she should make changes to loose weight if she didnt want to be overweight. I have been in the overweight category, I didn't shout at my doctor for telling me, I reflected on my lifestyle and tried to change.
This. Some people can’t seem to tell the difference between telling someone, especially a child or a woman, that they’re unhealthy because they’re overweight and that they’re ugly because they’re overweight.
Telling somebody that their weight is negatively impacting their health is GOOD. Telling somebody that they’re ugly because of their weight is *kitten* deplorable.9
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