Faster cardio or not, what’s your opinion!
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Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.8
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YEP!0
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GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.
BCAAs dont really help.3 -
Do what works for you. You know the opinions are going to be all over the board on SS Cardio, VS Fasted SS Cardio, VS HIIT. If you're seeing results, do it. I prefer fasted steady state cardio first thing in the morning after a cup of coffee while sipping my BCAAs. If it works for you, nobody else's opinions matter because there are benefits to all cardio.4
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tripleformfitness wrote: »Do what works for you. You know the opinions are going to be all over the board on SS Cardio, VS Fasted SS Cardio, VS HIIT. If you're seeing results, do it. I prefer fasted steady state cardio first thing in the morning after a cup of coffee while sipping my BCAAs. If it works for you, nobody else's opinions matter because there are benefits to all cardio.
I disagree that it doesn't matter. some training methods may align better with your goals then what you are doing. so what you are doing may work, but there may be an even better way of achieving your goals. If it helps you stick with it and you enjoy it the way you do it, that matters more, as a less efficient training method, is better than not training at all.
Why BCAA's, what purpose other then something to spend your money on when it isnt shown to help? unless it is a mental thing and that by having it makes you think it is helping, then I guess it works, even though it doesn't.4 -
The only time I fast is when I'm asleep.
If I did fasted cardio, I would pass out...and die. That might just be a me thing.3 -
I prefer No cardio hehehe and I agree with most people here, BCAA's are useless. Alan Aragon made scientific research on it and it basically does nothing and in some cases, people even lost muscles with BCAA's (link for reference: https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-016-0128-9 )2
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There are conditions and protocols that use fasted cardio to increase fat metabolism however they are pointless for 99% of the general population. Have a read of Lyle McDonalds, stubborn fat protocols.1
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GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.
BCAAs dont really help.
I mean you could take straight Leucine, which helps maintain muscle mass. No one really wants to sacrifice muscle mass, really do cardio to minimize body fat. So I would recommend at least taking 1 to 2 servings of Leucine while doing cardio.9 -
GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.
BCAAs dont really help.
I mean you could take straight Leucine, which helps maintain muscle mass. No one really wants to sacrifice muscle mass, really do cardio to minimize body fat. So I would recommend at least taking 1 to 2 servings of Leucine while doing cardio.
Cardio in an of itself is not going to catabolize your muscles unless you are not fueling yourself enough or getting enough protein (Too large of a deficit and inadequate protein) or not doing proper strength training.
No need to major in the minors.6 -
GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.
BCAAs dont really help.
I mean you could take straight Leucine, which helps maintain muscle mass. No one really wants to sacrifice muscle mass, really do cardio to minimize body fat. So I would recommend at least taking 1 to 2 servings of Leucine while doing cardio.
Cardio in an of itself is not going to catabolize your muscles unless you are not fueling yourself enough or getting enough protein (Too large of a deficit and inadequate protein) or not doing proper strength training.
No need to major in the minors.
BCAA's or just Leucine will not hurt, and the risk vs reward factor is on its side. I mean cardio for me is a must, 4 days a week, 130 minutes, always after my weight training. So my glycogen levels are most likely fully depleted after an hour push, pull, or legs workout. So I really believe that it's a great idea to supplement with Leucine or a BCAA product, to be on the safe side. This is a muscle building forum, so the goal is to make gains.
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GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.
BCAAs dont really help.
I mean you could take straight Leucine, which helps maintain muscle mass. No one really wants to sacrifice muscle mass, really do cardio to minimize body fat. So I would recommend at least taking 1 to 2 servings of Leucine while doing cardio.
Cardio in an of itself is not going to catabolize your muscles unless you are not fueling yourself enough or getting enough protein (Too large of a deficit and inadequate protein) or not doing proper strength training.
No need to major in the minors.
BCAA's or just Leucine will not hurt, and the risk vs reward factor is on its side. I mean cardio for me is a must, 4 days a week, 130 minutes, always after my weight training. So my glycogen levels are most likely fully depleted after an hour push, pull, or legs workout. So I really believe that it's a great idea to supplement with Leucine or a BCAA product, to be on the safe side. This is a muscle building forum, so the goal is to make gains.
130 minutes of cardio when you are trying to gain muscle seems like a huge waste of calories, spending it on cardio instead of growth? Unless you are bulking while training for an endurance event, that amount of cardio seems counter productive to your goals.5 -
GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.
BCAAs dont really help.
I mean you could take straight Leucine, which helps maintain muscle mass. No one really wants to sacrifice muscle mass, really do cardio to minimize body fat. So I would recommend at least taking 1 to 2 servings of Leucine while doing cardio.
Cardio in an of itself is not going to catabolize your muscles unless you are not fueling yourself enough or getting enough protein (Too large of a deficit and inadequate protein) or not doing proper strength training.
No need to major in the minors.
BCAA's or just Leucine will not hurt, and the risk vs reward factor is on its side. I mean cardio for me is a must, 4 days a week, 130 minutes, always after my weight training. So my glycogen levels are most likely fully depleted after an hour push, pull, or legs workout. So I really believe that it's a great idea to supplement with Leucine or a BCAA product, to be on the safe side. This is a muscle building forum, so the goal is to make gains.
An hour of strength training isn't going to put any significant dent in your glycogen stores. That's just a broscience myth from bodybuilders who don't like cardio!
Two hours of intense cardio yes, an hour of strength training, absolutely not.
If you have ever hit the wall (running) or bonked (cycling) you would know all about it - it's unmistakable.
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GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.
BCAAs dont really help.
I mean you could take straight Leucine, which helps maintain muscle mass. No one really wants to sacrifice muscle mass, really do cardio to minimize body fat. So I would recommend at least taking 1 to 2 servings of Leucine while doing cardio.
Cardio in an of itself is not going to catabolize your muscles unless you are not fueling yourself enough or getting enough protein (Too large of a deficit and inadequate protein) or not doing proper strength training.
No need to major in the minors.
BCAA's or just Leucine will not hurt, and the risk vs reward factor is on its side. I mean cardio for me is a must, 4 days a week, 130 minutes, always after my weight training. So my glycogen levels are most likely fully depleted after an hour push, pull, or legs workout. So I really believe that it's a great idea to supplement with Leucine or a BCAA product, to be on the safe side. This is a muscle building forum, so the goal is to make gains.
I disagree. They hurt the wallet with no benefit. If you read the research above, you would know it is more than clear that BCAAs are useless. So taking them does nothing to "be on the safe side". Cause science.5 -
GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.
BCAAs dont really help.
I mean you could take straight Leucine, which helps maintain muscle mass. No one really wants to sacrifice muscle mass, really do cardio to minimize body fat. So I would recommend at least taking 1 to 2 servings of Leucine while doing cardio.
Cardio in an of itself is not going to catabolize your muscles unless you are not fueling yourself enough or getting enough protein (Too large of a deficit and inadequate protein) or not doing proper strength training.
No need to major in the minors.
BCAA's or just Leucine will not hurt, and the risk vs reward factor is on its side. I mean cardio for me is a must, 4 days a week, 130 minutes, always after my weight training. So my glycogen levels are most likely fully depleted after an hour push, pull, or legs workout. So I really believe that it's a great idea to supplement with Leucine or a BCAA product, to be on the safe side. This is a muscle building forum, so the goal is to make gains.
130 minutes of cardio when you are trying to gain muscle seems like a huge waste of calories, spending it on cardio instead of growth? Unless you are bulking while training for an endurance event, that amount of cardio seems counter productive to your goals.
I'm in a 500+ caloric surplus a day, goal is to get bigger but minimize body fat as much as possible.
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GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.
BCAAs dont really help.
I mean you could take straight Leucine, which helps maintain muscle mass. No one really wants to sacrifice muscle mass, really do cardio to minimize body fat. So I would recommend at least taking 1 to 2 servings of Leucine while doing cardio.
Cardio in an of itself is not going to catabolize your muscles unless you are not fueling yourself enough or getting enough protein (Too large of a deficit and inadequate protein) or not doing proper strength training.
No need to major in the minors.
BCAA's or just Leucine will not hurt, and the risk vs reward factor is on its side. I mean cardio for me is a must, 4 days a week, 130 minutes, always after my weight training. So my glycogen levels are most likely fully depleted after an hour push, pull, or legs workout. So I really believe that it's a great idea to supplement with Leucine or a BCAA product, to be on the safe side. This is a muscle building forum, so the goal is to make gains.
An hour of strength training isn't going to put any significant dent in your glycogen stores. That's just a broscience myth from bodybuilders who don't like cardio!
Two hours of intense cardio yes, an hour of strength training, absolutely not.
If you have ever hit the wall (running) or bonked (cycling) you would know all about it - it's unmistakable.
I eat very light before going to the gym, normally a PB&J sandwich with 1.5 scoops of my pre workout. I do a push, pull, legs. So I'm burning tons of calories.. I go heavy on my first exercise for each body part, normally in the 4-6 rep range, with 2-3 minutes between sets. After the first exercise of each body part, its fast rest periods, 30-45 seconds, in the higher rep range, 10-12 sometimes 12-15. Then after my hour workout, 30 minutes of HIIT. I burn close to 600 calories every time I step in the gym, and I consume about 3,300 calories a day.
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GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.
BCAAs dont really help.
I mean you could take straight Leucine, which helps maintain muscle mass. No one really wants to sacrifice muscle mass, really do cardio to minimize body fat. So I would recommend at least taking 1 to 2 servings of Leucine while doing cardio.
Cardio in an of itself is not going to catabolize your muscles unless you are not fueling yourself enough or getting enough protein (Too large of a deficit and inadequate protein) or not doing proper strength training.
No need to major in the minors.
BCAA's or just Leucine will not hurt, and the risk vs reward factor is on its side. I mean cardio for me is a must, 4 days a week, 130 minutes, always after my weight training. So my glycogen levels are most likely fully depleted after an hour push, pull, or legs workout. So I really believe that it's a great idea to supplement with Leucine or a BCAA product, to be on the safe side. This is a muscle building forum, so the goal is to make gains.
An hour of strength training isn't going to put any significant dent in your glycogen stores. That's just a broscience myth from bodybuilders who don't like cardio!
Two hours of intense cardio yes, an hour of strength training, absolutely not.
If you have ever hit the wall (running) or bonked (cycling) you would know all about it - it's unmistakable.
I eat very light before going to the gym, normally a PB&J sandwich with 1.5 scoops of my pre workout. I do a push, pull, legs. So I'm burning tons of calories.. I go heavy on my first exercise for each body part, normally in the 4-6 rep range, with 2-3 minutes between sets. After the first exercise of each body part, its fast rest periods, 30-45 seconds, in the higher rep range, 10-12 sometimes 12-15. Then after my hour workout, 30 minutes of HIIT. I burn close to 600 calories every time I step in the gym, and I consume about 3,300 calories a day.
600 cals isn't anywhere close to causing any issues with your glycogen stores which could easily total 2,000 cals - and you aren't burning exclusively glycogen anyway. The carbs you eat are also adding to your fuel.
By the way if you really thought glycogen depletion was an issue then you would eat carbs surely!
Hint - it's why sport energy drinks are loaded with glucose.
Hint 2 - carbs are also muscle sparing.
You really do need to review your information sources.8 -
The only time I do fasted cardio is in the summer when I primarily ride in the early morning during the week to beat the heat...then I have breakfast pretty much right after.1
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GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Fasted, not fasted.. It really does not make a huge difference. I'd typically like to at the very least sip some BCAA's while doing my cardio.
BCAAs dont really help.
I mean you could take straight Leucine, which helps maintain muscle mass. No one really wants to sacrifice muscle mass, really do cardio to minimize body fat. So I would recommend at least taking 1 to 2 servings of Leucine while doing cardio.
Cardio in an of itself is not going to catabolize your muscles unless you are not fueling yourself enough or getting enough protein (Too large of a deficit and inadequate protein) or not doing proper strength training.
No need to major in the minors.
BCAA's or just Leucine will not hurt, and the risk vs reward factor is on its side. I mean cardio for me is a must, 4 days a week, 130 minutes, always after my weight training. So my glycogen levels are most likely fully depleted after an hour push, pull, or legs workout. So I really believe that it's a great idea to supplement with Leucine or a BCAA product, to be on the safe side. This is a muscle building forum, so the goal is to make gains.
An hour of strength training isn't going to put any significant dent in your glycogen stores. That's just a broscience myth from bodybuilders who don't like cardio!
Two hours of intense cardio yes, an hour of strength training, absolutely not.
If you have ever hit the wall (running) or bonked (cycling) you would know all about it - it's unmistakable.
I eat very light before going to the gym, normally a PB&J sandwich with 1.5 scoops of my pre workout. I do a push, pull, legs. So I'm burning tons of calories.. I go heavy on my first exercise for each body part, normally in the 4-6 rep range, with 2-3 minutes between sets. After the first exercise of each body part, its fast rest periods, 30-45 seconds, in the higher rep range, 10-12 sometimes 12-15. Then after my hour workout, 30 minutes of HIIT. I burn close to 600 calories every time I step in the gym, and I consume about 3,300 calories a day.
600 cals isn't anywhere close to causing any issues with your glycogen stores which could easily total 2,000 cals - and you aren't burning exclusively glycogen anyway. The carbs you eat are also adding to your fuel.
By the way if you really thought glycogen depletion was an issue then you would eat carbs surely!
Hint - it's why sport energy drinks are loaded with glucose.
Hint 2 - carbs are also muscle sparing.
You really do need to review your information sources.
+1 This^6 -
trigden1991 wrote: »There are conditions and protocols that use fasted cardio to increase fat metabolism however they are pointless for 99% of the general population. Have a read of Lyle McDonalds, stubborn fat protocols.
@trigden1991 Are we talking it makes fat loss more efficient/faster or it can actually have an effect on alpha-receptor stubborn fat in very lean individuals? I think I may have to give his book a read just, even just for more knowledge.0
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