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CICO is overrated in my opinion
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I must be going nuts.... I could have sworn that 99.9999999% of posts I've seen regarding calories for weight loss also mentioned the importance of eating a nutritious diet for good health... As well as recommending slower rates of loss, adequate protein and resistance training to help maintain muscle...
This.
OP sounds like yet another person who doesn't understand what CICO is and makes weird assumptions about it.
Yes, obviously not a good idea to diet irresponsibly, as is said over and over on this site. That doesn't mean CICO is "overrated," it means that there are other things to keep in mind too. That it is important to keep gas in my car if I want it to go doesn't mean that following traffic laws is overrated.
Everyone who "eats clean" seems to think that CIOC, IIFYM, and free eating/calorie counting are just other terms for eating Twinkies and donuts all day. No matter how much we tell them the nutrition is separate from the calories and that, yes, eat your vegetables, they still hear "eat garbage and lose weight".
OP is taking it even a step further -- if someone does CICO, they will cut calories irresponsibly low and lose muscle. So CICO means you will try to get as close to eating nothing as possible? Weird.
I think op is projecting. Just because she did it means of course EVERYONE is.
This is what bugs me about these posts. The posters who misinterpreted what CICO means and/or made poor personal choices about how to apply the principles now want to school the rest of us abou how we should be giving advice. Similar to the thread last week where a poster filled their day with “diet” foods, weren’t satiated, then wanted to educate everyone about how CICO isn’t complete advice. Which no one, no one ever says that CICO is the whole story for weight loss, health, fitness and satiety.
Can people really not understand that? Is there no critical thinking applied at all? No further reading - just take the one line “CICO is all that matters for weight loss” at face value and that’s it?
Funny story:
When I first started counting calories, the first few days I was really hungry because I ran out of calories early in the day.
What did I do? I went to the store and bought foods that were lower calorie per volume and more filling.
No one had to tell me that it was important to choose foods that left me satisfied.
I figured it out myself because I’m a sentient adult.
Carlos_421, this was my experience as well. I'm baffled when fellow commenters don't have this experience.
it's why I don't eat oatmeal- people are like "sticks to the ribs makes you full bla bla bla"
oatmeal = insta hungry.
which is why SURPRISE! I don't eat it anymore.
people like to make this harder than it needs to be I think.
And it keeps me full for hours, which is why everyone needs to experiment for themselves.
Yeah, just upping the protein in a couple of my snacks (fewer pop chips, more string cheese, approximately same calories/recommended serving) went a long way toward curbing my hunger.2 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I must be going nuts.... I could have sworn that 99.9999999% of posts I've seen regarding calories for weight loss also mentioned the importance of eating a nutritious diet for good health... As well as recommending slower rates of loss, adequate protein and resistance training to help maintain muscle...
This.
OP sounds like yet another person who doesn't understand what CICO is and makes weird assumptions about it.
Yes, obviously not a good idea to diet irresponsibly, as is said over and over on this site. That doesn't mean CICO is "overrated," it means that there are other things to keep in mind too. That it is important to keep gas in my car if I want it to go doesn't mean that following traffic laws is overrated.
Everyone who "eats clean" seems to think that CIOC, IIFYM, and free eating/calorie counting are just other terms for eating Twinkies and donuts all day. No matter how much we tell them the nutrition is separate from the calories and that, yes, eat your vegetables, they still hear "eat garbage and lose weight".
OP is taking it even a step further -- if someone does CICO, they will cut calories irresponsibly low and lose muscle. So CICO means you will try to get as close to eating nothing as possible? Weird.
I think op is projecting. Just because she did it means of course EVERYONE is.
This is what bugs me about these posts. The posters who misinterpreted what CICO means and/or made poor personal choices about how to apply the principles now want to school the rest of us abou how we should be giving advice. Similar to the thread last week where a poster filled their day with “diet” foods, weren’t satiated, then wanted to educate everyone about how CICO isn’t complete advice. Which no one, no one ever says that CICO is the whole story for weight loss, health, fitness and satiety.
Can people really not understand that? Is there no critical thinking applied at all? No further reading - just take the one line “CICO is all that matters for weight loss” at face value and that’s it?
Funny story:
When I first started counting calories, the first few days I was really hungry because I ran out of calories early in the day.
What did I do? I went to the store and bought foods that were lower calorie per volume and more filling.
No one had to tell me that it was important to choose foods that left me satisfied.
I figured it out myself because I’m a sentient adult.
Carlos_421, this was my experience as well. I'm baffled when fellow commenters don't have this experience.
it's why I don't eat oatmeal- people are like "sticks to the ribs makes you full bla bla bla"
oatmeal = insta hungry.
which is why SURPRISE! I don't eat it anymore.
people like to make this harder than it needs to be I think.
Well first you have to understand if their goal is to actually come up with solutions or excuses.
Naysayers want nothing to do with solutions. It is far simpler to feed your basest desires and blame someone or something else.12 -
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WinoGelato wrote: »
I read this whole thread in a 15 minute train ride. I guess I wasn't actually trying to respond to it though.4 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
I read this whole thread in a 15 minute train ride. I guess I wasn't actually trying to respond to it though.
So much sass! I love it.1 -
GlorianasTears wrote: »CICO is important definitely but i think it shouldn't be a priority we want to LOSE FAT not just WEIGHT because weight includes those wonderful muscles you work so hard to build (and other stuff) . Also the human body is very intelligent if you eat low calorie for a long time like i did in the past you might come to find that your body adjust to your low calorie lifestyle and you lose weight but you look unhealthy . If you want to make your body let go of fat you have to be healthy , being malnourished is not healthy or pleasant. So please promote fat loss not weight loss .
Im not trying to rain on anyones parade but i just think that we should focus on health and nutrition more than obsessing over CICO. Have a nice day
What does this have to do with CICO?
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I think your major problem is you do not know what CICO is...16 -
GlorianasTears wrote: »CICO is important definitely but i think it shouldn't be a priority we want to LOSE FAT not just WEIGHT because weight includes those wonderful muscles you work so hard to build (and other stuff) . Also the human body is very intelligent if you eat low calorie for a long time like i did in the past you might come to find that your body adjust to your low calorie lifestyle and you lose weight but you look unhealthy . If you want to make your body let go of fat you have to be healthy , being malnourished is not healthy or pleasant. So please promote fat loss not weight loss .
Im not trying to rain on anyones parade but i just think that we should focus on health and nutrition more than obsessing over CICO. Have a nice day
What does this have to do with CICO?
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I think your major problem is you do not know what CICO is...
You’re not wrong.12 -
"Opinion is the medium between knowledge and ignorance." - Plato
But don't fret if you are feeling upset that your misunderstanding of what CICO actually means is being exposed....
"The roots of education are bitter, but the fruits are sweet." - Aristotle17 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I must be going nuts.... I could have sworn that 99.9999999% of posts I've seen regarding calories for weight loss also mentioned the importance of eating a nutritious diet for good health... As well as recommending slower rates of loss, adequate protein and resistance training to help maintain muscle...
This.
OP sounds like yet another person who doesn't understand what CICO is and makes weird assumptions about it.
Yes, obviously not a good idea to diet irresponsibly, as is said over and over on this site. That doesn't mean CICO is "overrated," it means that there are other things to keep in mind too. That it is important to keep gas in my car if I want it to go doesn't mean that following traffic laws is overrated.
Everyone who "eats clean" seems to think that CIOC, IIFYM, and free eating/calorie counting are just other terms for eating Twinkies and donuts all day. No matter how much we tell them the nutrition is separate from the calories and that, yes, eat your vegetables, they still hear "eat garbage and lose weight".
OP is taking it even a step further -- if someone does CICO, they will cut calories irresponsibly low and lose muscle. So CICO means you will try to get as close to eating nothing as possible? Weird.
I think op is projecting. Just because she did it means of course EVERYONE is.
This is what bugs me about these posts. The posters who misinterpreted what CICO means and/or made poor personal choices about how to apply the principles now want to school the rest of us abou how we should be giving advice. Similar to the thread last week where a poster filled their day with “diet” foods, weren’t satiated, then wanted to educate everyone about how CICO isn’t complete advice. Which no one, no one ever says that CICO is the whole story for weight loss, health, fitness and satiety.
Can people really not understand that? Is there no critical thinking applied at all? No further reading - just take the one line “CICO is all that matters for weight loss” at face value and that’s it?
Funny story:
When I first started counting calories, the first few days I was really hungry because I ran out of calories early in the day.
What did I do? I went to the store and bought foods that were lower calorie per volume and more filling.
No one had to tell me that it was important to choose foods that left me satisfied.
I figured it out myself because I’m a sentient adult.
Carlos_421, this was my experience as well. I'm baffled when fellow commenters don't have this experience.
it's why I don't eat oatmeal- people are like "sticks to the ribs makes you full bla bla bla"
oatmeal = insta hungry.
which is why SURPRISE! I don't eat it anymore.
people like to make this harder than it needs to be I think.
I've noticed from years of reading these boards that most people do adjust their food intake according to what makes them feel full, and there are some who do to some extent but seem to cling to an emotional or sentimental attachment to a use of some of their calories that's not serving them well.
I've noticed the second group of people who can't seem to let go of some things complaining more about hunger than the first group of people.
I don't get it. This topic of nutrition and satiety is discussed often enough, and not only that, we can all gauge by personal experience when food satisfies us and when it doesn't.8 -
I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...22 -
I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.11 -
diannethegeek wrote: »I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.
I feel like the weirdest person with this. I find potatoes to be really filling, but I need to have them with protein and some fat.
It's pretty much the same for every meal. It's got to be starch, protein, fat, fiber.12 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.
I feel like the weirdest person with this. I find potatoes to be really filling, but I need to have them with protein and some fat.
It's pretty much the same for every meal. It's got to be starch, protein, fat, fiber.
Sames. I need the starch or I go mooching for more. There is also a psychological aspect to it too and that can't be ignored.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.
I feel like the weirdest person with this. I find potatoes to be really filling, but I need to have them with protein and some fat.
It's pretty much the same for every meal. It's got to be starch, protein, fat, fiber.
Potatoes are generally considered a high satiation food. There are people who are not satiated by them, but most people are.
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rileysowner wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.
I feel like the weirdest person with this. I find potatoes to be really filling, but I need to have them with protein and some fat.
It's pretty much the same for every meal. It's got to be starch, protein, fat, fiber.
Potatoes are generally considered a high satiation food. There are people who are not satiated by them, but most people are.
I remember reading the study on that.
For me, though, I need the mix of that starch (and the fiber it comes with) plus protein and fat.
Rice is starchy, right? But I don't find it filling. However, if I have it with vegetables cooked in oil and some protein, I find it filling. Because the veggies bring the fiber and I've added fat and protein.
I have to have every meal this way. The thing is that I really only eat two main meals a day plus yogurt with fruit and nuts (and even that's mixing carbs, protein and fat!) for dessert, so it's not that big a deal.3 -
I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL6
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Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
I don't know why I never thought to do this. I generally go for sweet porridge/oatmeal with cinnamon and dried fruit being one of my go tos, a dab of butter might make it next level. I do enjoy coconut milk, or reduced fat coconut milk for calories, in my summer overnight oats (with mango and pineapple, do recommend) and that keeps me full for a goodly amount of time. God I miss summer.1 -
Having not read most of this thread, I'll just jump right on in. CICO works! OP, are you nuts or just trying to get attention? CICO worked for me. I lost over 70#. If you need help, just ask. I will be happy to help you out.
What's the deal with oatmeal? Eat it or don't.10 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.
I feel like the weirdest person with this. I find potatoes to be really filling, but I need to have them with protein and some fat.
It's pretty much the same for every meal. It's got to be starch, protein, fat, fiber.
Potatoes are generally considered a high satiation food. There are people who are not satiated by them, but most people are.
I remember reading the study on that.
For me, though, I need the mix of that starch (and the fiber it comes with) plus protein and fat.
Rice is starchy, right? But I don't find it filling. However, if I have it with vegetables cooked in oil and some protein, I find it filling. Because the veggies bring the fiber and I've added fat and protein.
I have to have every meal this way. The thing is that I really only eat two main meals a day plus yogurt with fruit and nuts (and even that's mixing carbs, protein and fat!) for dessert, so it's not that big a deal.
One of the things that satiate me is a baked potato with the skin. It does so far more than one without skin. It might be the fiber, I don't know. Add a protein like some roast beef, and the effect is doubled.2 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Peanut butter works too!6
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