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mikethornton117
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Hey all, just joined today and thought I'd drop in to ask for help due to time constraints and all around stress. I've got to kick off another Ketosis tagged with a goal to gain from 180 pounds in a body that stands, (and sits) six feet six inches tall.
What would you all do? I don't even know where to begin
Here's the target!
3360 Cal
5%/42 g Carbs
25%/210 g Protein
70%/261 g Fat
I'm super overwhelmed and would welcome any and all advice. Bulk Cooking.Cost Effective.Shopping list.Inspiration.Prayers. God bless
What would you all do? I don't even know where to begin
Here's the target!
3360 Cal
5%/42 g Carbs
25%/210 g Protein
70%/261 g Fat
I'm super overwhelmed and would welcome any and all advice. Bulk Cooking.Cost Effective.Shopping list.Inspiration.Prayers. God bless
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Why keto though? You get better gains eating a balanced diet.7
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mikethornton117 wrote: »Hey all, just joined today and thought I'd drop in to ask for help due to time constraints and all around stress. I've got to kick off another Ketosis tagged with a goal to gain from 180 pounds in a body that stands, (and sits) six feet six inches tall.
What would you all do? I don't even know where to begin
Here's the target!
3360 Cal
5%/42 g Carbs
25%/210 g Protein
70%/261 g Fat
I'm super overwhelmed and would welcome any and all advice. Bulk Cooking.Cost Effective.Shopping list.Inspiration.Prayers. God bless
I wouldn't follow a keto diet for bulking. All you would be doing is taxing your body for inefficient energy source. Carbs are king when it comes to bulking and fairly inexpensive.
I would keep protien the same as it is reasonable. I would get my fats around 80g and fill the rest with carbs.
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mikethornton117 wrote: »Hey all, just joined today and thought I'd drop in to ask for help due to time constraints and all around stress. I've got to kick off another Ketosis tagged with a goal to gain from 180 pounds in a body that stands, (and sits) six feet six inches tall.
What would you all do? I don't even know where to begin
Here's the target!
3360 Cal
5%/42 g Carbs
25%/210 g Protein
70%/261 g Fat
I'm super overwhelmed and would welcome any and all advice. Bulk Cooking.Cost Effective.Shopping list.Inspiration.Prayers. God bless
I wouldn't follow a keto diet for bulking. All you would be doing is taxing your body for inefficient energy source. Carbs are king when it comes to bulking and fairly inexpensive.
I would keep protien the same as it is reasonable. I would get my fats around 80g and fill the rest with carbs.
They're also king when it comes to strength training, since ATP is derived primarily from glucose. As you said, why tax your body for an inefficient energy source? It's like trying to run a race car on watered-down gasoline.2 -
Everyone responds differently, but man, I hope it goes better for you than it did for me. My one keto fulk was awful. All I got was fat, weak and tired. Amusingly, I actually progress in strength better on a PSMF cut than I did on a keto bulk.6
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No carbs for bulking is a terrible idea.7
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I'm drawn to Keto for the psychological benefits of focusing in class among other things. More for mental capability, less for bulking. Keto is good for multiple concussions, which unfortunately I have endured. Doc advised me to go on it also. So trying to find some help here.
Does anyone have any advice for bulk cooking, or even how to optimize the app for better success?3 -
mikethornton117 wrote: »I'm drawn to Keto for the psychological benefits of focusing in class among other things. More for mental capability, less for bulking. Keto is good for multiple concussions, which unfortunately I have endured. Doc advised me to go on it also. So trying to find some help here.
Does anyone have any advice for bulk cooking, or even how to set up my app to assist me better?
what?
Imma need you to explain this some more.
But yes- it's absolutely possible to bulk on Keto- it just- super sucks. You're going to be drinking a LOT of calories. And feel really uncomfortable a lot of the time.
Bulk cooking? yeah- buy more stuff- cook it all at once- put it in containers- then consume.
Not sure what type of advice you're looking for- it's not rocket science. Just cook a *fk* load of food LOL0 -
Ketosis is best for killing fat off your frame. Even though you will get 99% your protein, and you will be more energized than usual, this diet is bad for the liver because the liver has to process everything that goes into your system and because it is lacking carbohydrates, your liver will start processing a LOT more fat, creating ketone as a byproduct (which by they way is how you measure if you are in Ketosis). Usually, the fat associated with this is bad fat (because even though you will be sticking to extra-lean ground beef and pork chops, fat is your main source of energy when substituting carbohydrates). Consider this diet when you have built the mass that you want, but don't let it hinder you. You can use this diet even for endurance training, like long bike rides spanning 200kms in 12 hours (which I have done as an example, feel free to ask for details).
Here's how to get into Ketosis faster, because I won't discourage you from it for building at all:
1. Stay away from carbohydrates for the first week and buy ketone sticks to measure ketosis progress.
2. At the end of the first week, you will most likely be in the brownest part of the stick (you measure by peeing in a cup and dipping the stick).
3. Make sure you are INTENSELY exercising in the first week, which means going 80%+ maximum effort or heart rate in cardiovascular and strength training, because this will purge carbs. The higher the effort the more carbohydrates that are purged which is key to getting into Ketosis.
4. Do not cut off the fat of your meat. Pork Chops are exceptionally great when it comes to Ketosis, because of their high protein and high fat. Also, stick to smaller, portioned meals, because hunger in Ketosis is crazy. Do not use sauces, check your salt for carbohydrates (I know it sounds stupid) but ALWAYS CHECK YOUR FOOD FOR SUGAR OR CARBOHYDRATES.
5. Only stay on it for a month or two. You will eventually pee out a pound of fat a day, but there will be a stalling point (after about 20-30lbs if you're overweight, or 5-10lbs if you're already at around 15% body fat).
6. Consult a dietitian. They will be your best friend.
Remember, no single diet is a good diet. A little bit of everything is the way to go, don't stick to one "wide-accepted" *kitten* because no single diet will suffice. Most importantly, listen to your body.14 -
Also, a 95% meat diet is expensive and better to be done with friends because then the price gets chopped down at least by 1/2 when everyone contributes.3
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A keto diet for building muscle is also insufficient because it delineates certain pathways for muscle building.
mTor for one.
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If you want to do keto, then fine, do keto. But I agree that maintaining a bulk on primarily protein and fat will be uncomfortable. Also, invest in a good amount of Gas X or Bean-O or the like. You're going to need it.
In order to get calories you will want to consume as much fat as you can stand since it's calorie dense. Protein is a filling macro and it is expensive.
Look for fatty cuts of meat - ground beef, pork sausage, salami, lamb, bacon, salmon, mackerel, eel. Select fats that go with most things - butter, oil, mayo, heavy cream, nuts, nut butter, avocado.
To make a meal- select your serving of meat and a vegetable. So say, steak and brussel sprouts. Cook the steak in butter. Make a cream sauce with heavy cream and seasonings and cover the steak. Flash fry the brussel sprouts and top with nuts and cheese.
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dansidorkin wrote: »Ketosis is best for killing fat off your frame. Even though you will get 99% your protein, and you will be more energized than usual, this diet is bad for the liver because the liver has to process everything that goes into your system and because it is lacking carbohydrates, your liver will start processing a LOT more fat, creating ketone as a byproduct (which by they way is how you measure if you are in Ketosis). Usually, the fat associated with this is bad fat (because even though you will be sticking to extra-lean ground beef and pork chops, fat is your main source of energy when substituting carbohydrates). Consider this diet when you have built the mass that you want, but don't let it hinder you. You can use this diet even for endurance training, like long bike rides spanning 200kms in 12 hours (which I have done as an example, feel free to ask for details).
Here's how to get into Ketosis faster, because I won't discourage you from it for building at all:
1. Stay away from carbohydrates for the first week and buy ketone sticks to measure ketosis progress.
2. At the end of the first week, you will most likely be in the brownest part of the stick (you measure by peeing in a cup and dipping the stick).
3. Make sure you are INTENSELY exercising in the first week, which means going 80%+ maximum effort or heart rate in cardiovascular and strength training, because this will purge carbs. The higher the effort the more carbohydrates that are purged which is key to getting into Ketosis.
4. Do not cut off the fat of your meat. Pork Chops are exceptionally great when it comes to Ketosis, because of their high protein and high fat. Also, stick to smaller, portioned meals, because hunger in Ketosis is crazy. Do not use sauces, check your salt for carbohydrates (I know it sounds stupid) but ALWAYS CHECK YOUR FOOD FOR SUGAR OR CARBOHYDRATES.
5. Only stay on it for a month or two. You will eventually pee out a pound of fat a day, but there will be a stalling point (after about 20-30lbs if you're overweight, or 5-10lbs if you're already at around 15% body fat).
6. Consult a dietitian. They will be your best friend.
Remember, no single diet is a good diet. A little bit of everything is the way to go, don't stick to one "wide-accepted" *kitten* because no single diet will suffice. Most importantly, listen to your body.
Well said! Thanks for the advice.
I'd like to clarify that it'd be nice to gain some weight over time, but bulking fails in value in contrast to mental focus and capability considering my focus on school. I'd like to restore peak cognitive function to before the endured head traumas, as per the advice of my doctor.
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If you want to do keto, then fine, do keto. But I agree that maintaining a bulk on primarily protein and fat will be uncomfortable. Also, invest in a good amount of Gas X or Bean-O or the like. You're going to need it.
In order to get calories you will want to consume as much fat as you can stand since it's calorie dense. Protein is a filling macro and it is expensive.
Look for fatty cuts of meat - ground beef, pork sausage, salami, lamb, bacon, salmon, mackerel, eel. Select fats that go with most things - butter, oil, mayo, heavy cream, nuts, nut butter, avocado.
To make a meal- select your serving of meat and a vegetable. So say, steak and brussel sprouts. Cook the steak in butter. Make a cream sauce with heavy cream and seasonings and cover the steak. Flash fry the brussel sprouts and top with nuts and cheese.
Thanks a lot. I wish the store was still open after reading that!0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Everyone responds differently, but man, I hope it goes better for you than it did for me. My one keto fulk was awful. All I got was fat, weak and tired. Amusingly, I actually progress in strength better on a PSMF cut than I did on a keto bulk.
What's a PSMF cut?0 -
dansidorkin wrote: »Ketosis is best for killing fat off your frame. Even though you will get 99% your protein, and you will be more energized than usual, this diet is bad for the liver because the liver has to process everything that goes into your system and because it is lacking carbohydrates, your liver will start processing a LOT more fat, creating ketone as a byproduct (which by they way is how you measure if you are in Ketosis). Usually, the fat associated with this is bad fat (because even though you will be sticking to extra-lean ground beef and pork chops, fat is your main source of energy when substituting carbohydrates). Consider this diet when you have built the mass that you want, but don't let it hinder you. You can use this diet even for endurance training, like long bike rides spanning 200kms in 12 hours (which I have done as an example, feel free to ask for details).
Here's how to get into Ketosis faster, because I won't discourage you from it for building at all:
1. Stay away from carbohydrates for the first week and buy ketone sticks to measure ketosis progress.
2. At the end of the first week, you will most likely be in the brownest part of the stick (you measure by peeing in a cup and dipping the stick).
3. Make sure you are INTENSELY exercising in the first week, which means going 80%+ maximum effort or heart rate in cardiovascular and strength training, because this will purge carbs. The higher the effort the more carbohydrates that are purged which is key to getting into Ketosis.
4. Do not cut off the fat of your meat. Pork Chops are exceptionally great when it comes to Ketosis, because of their high protein and high fat. Also, stick to smaller, portioned meals, because hunger in Ketosis is crazy. Do not use sauces, check your salt for carbohydrates (I know it sounds stupid) but ALWAYS CHECK YOUR FOOD FOR SUGAR OR CARBOHYDRATES.
5. Only stay on it for a month or two. You will eventually pee out a pound of fat a day, but there will be a stalling point (after about 20-30lbs if you're overweight, or 5-10lbs if you're already at around 15% body fat).
6. Consult a dietitian. They will be your best friend.
Remember, no single diet is a good diet. A little bit of everything is the way to go, don't stick to one "wide-accepted" *kitten* because no single diet will suffice. Most importantly, listen to your body.
You will pee out the fat?? How does one pee out the fat, does it become waste and filted out by the kidneys??2 -
dansidorkin wrote: »Ketosis is best for killing fat off your frame. Even though you will get 99% your protein, and you will be more energized than usual, this diet is bad for the liver because the liver has to process everything that goes into your system and because it is lacking carbohydrates, your liver will start processing a LOT more fat, creating ketone as a byproduct (which by they way is how you measure if you are in Ketosis). Usually, the fat associated with this is bad fat (because even though you will be sticking to extra-lean ground beef and pork chops, fat is your main source of energy when substituting carbohydrates). Consider this diet when you have built the mass that you want, but don't let it hinder you. You can use this diet even for endurance training, like long bike rides spanning 200kms in 12 hours (which I have done as an example, feel free to ask for details).
Here's how to get into Ketosis faster, because I won't discourage you from it for building at all:
1. Stay away from carbohydrates for the first week and buy ketone sticks to measure ketosis progress.
2. At the end of the first week, you will most likely be in the brownest part of the stick (you measure by peeing in a cup and dipping the stick).
3. Make sure you are INTENSELY exercising in the first week, which means going 80%+ maximum effort or heart rate in cardiovascular and strength training, because this will purge carbs. The higher the effort the more carbohydrates that are purged which is key to getting into Ketosis.
4. Do not cut off the fat of your meat. Pork Chops are exceptionally great when it comes to Ketosis, because of their high protein and high fat. Also, stick to smaller, portioned meals, because hunger in Ketosis is crazy. Do not use sauces, check your salt for carbohydrates (I know it sounds stupid) but ALWAYS CHECK YOUR FOOD FOR SUGAR OR CARBOHYDRATES.
5. Only stay on it for a month or two. You will eventually pee out a pound of fat a day, but there will be a stalling point (after about 20-30lbs if you're overweight, or 5-10lbs if you're already at around 15% body fat).
6. Consult a dietitian. They will be your best friend.
Remember, no single diet is a good diet. A little bit of everything is the way to go, don't stick to one "wide-accepted" *kitten* because no single diet will suffice. Most importantly, listen to your body.
You will pee out the fat?? How does one pee out the fat, does it become waste and filted out by the kidneys??
That's a really creepy visual.1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Everyone responds differently, but man, I hope it goes better for you than it did for me. My one keto fulk was awful. All I got was fat, weak and tired. Amusingly, I actually progress in strength better on a PSMF cut than I did on a keto bulk.
What's a PSMF cut?
Lyle McDonald’s Rapid Fat Loss Protocol. Basically eating nothing but a set amount of protein (formula based on LBM), enough essential fats to cover needs, a multivitamin, sodium, potassium and nothing else.
Not something I’d recommend to anyone who doesn’t have extreme self-control, and a lot of masochism.4 -
I feel the need to say I’m not fat I’m skinny as hell and fat loss isn’t the goal. Mental focus is, and health is, so doc and I decided on Keto.
I’m 6 foot 6 180 pounds.1 -
Go ahead and do keto, but research shows that most people don't benefit at all while lifting on keto. You basically picked the worst diet you can for building muscles. Not saying that you won't make any gains, but you will definitely not hit your maximum potential and your workouts can potentially suffer.6
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So do you suggest that I use keto to shred and get body fat percentage lower. Then change my eating style for the gains?2
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