Aspartame "sensitives" study published

glevinso

barbecuesauce wrote: »

I am really curious about these snack bars that are apparently able to mask the taste of aspartame. How? Just how?

I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't that hard. Aspartame is kinda just "out there" as a flavor when you drink it in a beverage, but I am sure it can be covered up pretty well when it is in amongst things like granola, or dried fruits, etc.

(I assume by snack bar these are like granola bars or something similar)

NotQuiteNorm

barbecuesauce wrote: »

I am really curious about these snack bars that are apparently able to mask the taste of aspartame. How? Just how?

Probably by killing you before the aftertaste kicks in.

No really, I'm sure a lot of people will help you look into it - do you have any certain brands meant to do this? Not necessary, but a time saver! I personally am not bothered anymore by the taste.

Hornsby

beemerphile1 wrote: »

Hornsby wrote: »

beemerphile1 wrote: »

Hornsby wrote: »

beemerphile1 wrote: »

chivalryder wrote: »

C'mon guys. He is obviously trolling. Stop egging him on and just report his posts. By replying, you might get warnings and barred yourselves. Is it really worth it?

I'm not a troll, I gave an example of my personal experience and gave my opinion on a product. I then got pounced on by the MFP bullies that didn't care for my opinion. I never represented my opinion as fact and did state that others are free to use aspartame as they wish. It doesn't particularly matter to me what anyone else consumes.

I did mistakenly think this forum was for the exchange of ideas. Apparently there is only one set of ideas that count. Some people need to understand that due to bullying on forums many people are chased off and are afraid to post. A forum where anyone that dares to think differently is chastised is a worthless forum.

Some talk about childishness, what does my forum ID have to do with anything? Critiquing one's forum ID is the pinnacle of immaturity.

You said that Aspartame is toxic to the body. There are numerous studies that have shown it isn't. I have never seen one that shows that it is. So, essentially, you are arguing facts with your opinion. Do you not see the issue here? All we are asking is for one study that shows it's toxic. I have read at least 100 studies on Aspartame and never once have I seen one that shows it's toxic. If they are out there, I would love to read them.

No I did not, I said that "I am absolutely convinced that aspartame is toxic to the human body". My opinion 100%.

I have no idea how to debate with this. "Aspartame is toxic to the body" and "I am convinced that Aspartame is toxic to the body" says the exact same thing.

"I am convinced" indicates it is my opinion and not that it is represented as fact.

No, "I am convinced" indicates that you believe it to be true...which in essence means you believe it to be a fact. Otherwise, why would you be convinced? All anyone is asking for is some of your facts. Or even opinions would be okay at this point.

Or you can keep rambling on like a school girl. I have a feeling that will be the option we get.

stevencloser

NotQuiteNorm wrote: »

I think I have a link to verify that...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Sunset_Starnberger_See.jpg

That's proof, right?

What a nice shade of green.

isulo_kura

chivalryder wrote: »

isulo_kura wrote: »

I'm waiting for the day someone on MFP argues that Black is in fact White because hey they feel it is ;-)

Black IS white though! FFS! Black is the absence of light, and white is all of the light. Black works by absorbing light and not reflecting it back. Therefore, black is in fact all of the colour as well and therefore, it is white.

I stand corrected

jay8anks

How can diet sodas make you fat?

Researchers trying to figure out whether artificial sweeteners really do make people fat think they’ve found a possible explanation — they may disrupt the bacteria in some people’s bodies.

Their findings may shed light on why studies often contradict one another, with some finding that people who drink lots of diet drinks are more likely to be obese, with others finding they may help people keep weight off.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/diet-fitness/how-can-diet-sodas-make-you-fat-study-may-explain-n205406

NotQuiteNorm

jay8anks wrote: »

How can diet sodas make you fat?

Researchers trying to figure out whether artificial sweeteners really do make people fat think they’ve found a possible explanation — they may disrupt the bacteria in some people’s bodies.

Their findings may shed light on why studies often contradict one another, with some finding that people who drink lots of diet drinks are more likely to be obese, with others finding they may help people keep weight off.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/diet-fitness/how-can-diet-sodas-make-you-fat-study-may-explain-n205406

I'm just reading now, but could this be the reason some people get the low-carber's dreaded insulin effect? Apologies if the answer is in here already I'll be back shortly aha

auntstephie321

jay8anks wrote: »

How can diet sodas make you fat?

Researchers trying to figure out whether artificial sweeteners really do make people fat think they’ve found a possible explanation — they may disrupt the bacteria in some people’s bodies.

Their findings may shed light on why studies often contradict one another, with some finding that people who drink lots of diet drinks are more likely to be obese, with others finding they may help people keep weight off.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/diet-fitness/how-can-diet-sodas-make-you-fat-study-may-explain-n205406

Interesting, thanks for sharing. I'd like to see more studies on this to see if it does show anything definitive

NotQuiteNorm

Interesting read and I do feel it needs to be further looked into as I so often read/hear people who seem to have this problem while I luckily don't seem to suffer when I sweeten.

_John_

even if bacteria is changed, too much food still makes one gain weight.

And that's the beauty of arguing with the wording of "too" as it is an implied goalpost mover.

tat2cookie

glevinso wrote: »

15 cans a day... I can't even get over how much liquid that is...

A lady I use to work with drank 2 gallons of diet Pepsi every day. She had a half gallon cup that she filled up at our gas station at least 4 times a day. Blew me away!

Serah87

glevinso wrote: »

isulo_kura wrote: »

I'm waiting for the day someone on MFP argues that Black is in fact White because hey they feel it is ;-)

Somewhere in the above pages I tried to argue the sky was green...

Actually when there is a big storm coming the sky turns green

juggernaut1974

glevinso wrote: »

isulo_kura wrote: »

I'm waiting for the day someone on MFP argues that Black is in fact White because hey they feel it is ;-)

Somewhere in the above pages I tried to argue the sky was green...

It is here right now...big thunderstorm *skeery*

Timorous_Beastie

My niece gets migraines if she has artificial sweeteners, even if she doesn't know she had them. (She didn't know Pepsi Max was a diet soda.)

I have no doubt some people are sensitive to them. I'm happy I'm not one of them.

I break out if I use Ivory soap. I'd never suggest no one should use Ivory soap. I think of artificial sweeteners the same way. Don't use it if you don't like how your body reacts.

Chezzie84

I don't have a sensitivity to aspartame. I could drink diet coke until the cows came home if I wanted to.

Doner kebab meat however is a different story,my body is very sensitive to that.

yarwell

slideaway1 wrote: »

Is aspartame considered a carcinogenic? Has this been proved or disproved as a myth yet? (genuine question).

It was approved as safe for use before this study, which was commissioned to appease the "sensitive" lobby at a cost of $800k, and remains approved as safe for use.

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/press/news/131210.htm

Following a thorough review of evidence provided both by animal and human studies, experts have ruled out a potential risk of aspartame causing damage to genes and inducing cancer. EFSA’s experts also concluded that aspartame does not harm the brain, the nervous system or affect behaviour or cognitive function in children or adults.

buffveganme

Here is another article regarding artificial sweeteners.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/artificial-sweeteners-may-change-our-gut-bacteria-in-dangerous-ways/?utm_content=buffercad4b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

PaulaWallaDingDong

I've never had a problem with it, but for the record, aspartame does still taste like poo. That's reason enough for me to avoid it unless I'm desperate.

Mr_Knight

jgnatca wrote: »

Logic 101, the person making the claim has the burden to prove it...

But...that itself is a claim.

And you haven't proved it.

Acg67

beemerphile1 wrote: »

glevinso wrote: »

Burden of proof is on you, since you make the claim.

(Hint, those studies either don't exist or they have been debunked)

What exactly do you think I have to prove, maybe you should reread my post?

I said, "My personal experience from about five years ago"
Do you think I need to prove my personal experience?

I said, "I am certainly not qualified to comment on the study linked above"
I am not so I didn't.

I said, "have seen many studies that document the hazards of aspartame"
In fact the study first linked qualifies although results were that the hazards are unsubstantiated.

Some reading for your enjoyment;

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v227/n5258/pdf/227609b0.pdf

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/aspartamebrain.pdf

http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info:doi/10.1289/ehp.10271

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6204522

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6152304

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8939194

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TCR-408BJC1-4&_user=10&_coverDate=05/19/2000&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view
=c&_searchStrId=1456058577&
_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=395a2fc9d4ef0ffceeea475146341607
&searchtype=a

http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v7/n4/full/4000976a.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16129618

http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v62/n4/abs/1602866a.html

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/43/3/464 and http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/43/3/464

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2667892

http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/0006-3223(93)90251-8/abstract

http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/pdf_extract/27/3/218

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/122214234/abstract

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199402033300501#articleResults

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/75/2/226

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/45/4/799.pdf

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/116/3/356

http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/abstract/42/5/1000

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8246307

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/00207459408985992

http://journals.lww.com/neuroreport/Abstract1995/01000Effects_of_aspartame_on_45Ca_influx_and_LDH.23.aspx

http://journals.lww.com/jneuropath/Abstract1996/11000Increasing_Brain_Tumor_Rates__Is_There_a_Link_to.2.aspx

http://www.wnho.net/formaldehyde_from_aspartame.pdf

http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrecord.php?requester=gs&collection=ENV&recid=1354938&q=Aspartame:+Possible+Effects+on+Seizure+Suspectibility&
uid=789675711&setcookie=yes

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119449495/abstract

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119429393/abstract

http://cep.sagepub.com/content/11/4/197.abstract

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119166706/abstract

http://www.drcordas.com/education/Headaches/1doc.pdf

http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/abstract/44/10/1787?ijkey=4b59bcfcba6c01af70844762469ca00f7f358c5f&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1979655

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120697481/abstract

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119429393/abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2040783

http://www.uthscsa.edu/hscnews/singleformat2.asp?newID=1539

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=933[page]+AND+2004/07[pdat]+AND+Davidson[author]&cmd=detailssearch

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3200909

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2359769

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/?tool=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2986632

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3957170

http://jdr.sagepub.com/content/56/11/1427.full.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592133

http://www.springerlink.com/content/l148w94568vt33hw/

http://www.springerlink.com/content/p33231m752721l5x/?p=41116b2cb5284004987aaa24f8a945c9&pi=37

http://www.annals.org/content/104/2/207.extract

http://pluto.huji.ac.il/~msrazy/PDF/HolderPBB89.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2796897

http://www.rense.com/general70/duut.htm

http://wurtmanlab.mit.edu/static/pdf/673.pdf

http://www.annals.org/content/102/2/206.short

http://www.dorway.com/wmonte.txt

http://archopht.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/summary/107/3/339

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3574137

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/43/3/464

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/pdf/envhper00434-0053.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2010138

http://basichealthinfo.weebly.com/uploads/4/2/5/9/425984/article-on-aspartame.pdf

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=162185

http://smfi.is/media/misc/article-on-aspartame.pdf

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/summary/156/9/1027-a

http://answers.hhs.gov/questions/3011

http://thetruthaboutstuff.com/pdf/(47) Scientific Abuse in Methanol.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20886530

No doubt I butchered some of the addresses while copying and I am not going to the bother with testing each, but whether one agrees with the findings or not there is substantial evidence that aspartame is harmful.

Now that I have wasted my lunch break.

Lol

http://aspartame.mercola.com/sites/aspartame/studies.aspx