The Clean Eating Myth
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mamapeach910 wrote: »How much science has been done on gut bacteria? Isn't this research still in its infancy? It's certainly not enough to say that elimination of food types is necessary?
I think people are jumping on the latest buzz in the media on this one. I can't find much balanced information on the topic on a quick google search.
I'll keep eating my yogurt and eating in moderation.
As they always do. Remember the "protein causes cancer" study from a year back or two?0 -
My answer is C they will both lose relatively the save weight within about +/- five pounds of one another.
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I agree.
IMO, the Highly processed (donuts, cookies chips, hamburger helper type stuff, etc) will have more sodium and such, which will most likely cause a bit of fluid retention making it look like the clean eater is losing more.
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Looncove_Farm wrote: »My answer is C they will both lose relatively the save weight within about +/- five pounds of one another.
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I agree.
IMO, the Highly processed (donuts, cookies chips, hamburger helper type stuff, etc) will have more sodium and such, which will most likely cause a bit of fluid retention making it look like the clean eater is losing more.
I think you are assuming Person B eats only processed "unhealthy" foods. The OP stipulates that they both eat nutrient dense foods and meet their macro and micro nutrient goals. Only difference is that Person B incorporates some ice cream or cookies as their calories allow, instead of having more chicken breast or other whole foods.0 -
Looncove_Farm wrote: »My answer is C they will both lose relatively the save weight within about +/- five pounds of one another.
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I agree.
IMO, the Highly processed (donuts, cookies chips, hamburger helper type stuff, etc) will have more sodium and such, which will most likely cause a bit of fluid retention making it look like the clean eater is losing more.
It was presumed that micronutrient content of the diets in both scenarios was the same. Since sodium is a micronutrient, that wouldn't factor into things.
It was also stated that dieter B wasn't eating ONLY processed foods.
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Will today be the day someone is able to address the "health" myth? I think we've pretty much laid the weight loss one to rest.0
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Looncove_Farm wrote: »My answer is C they will both lose relatively the save weight within about +/- five pounds of one another.
discuss….
I agree.
IMO, the Highly processed (donuts, cookies chips, hamburger helper type stuff, etc) will have more sodium and such, which will most likely cause a bit of fluid retention making it look like the clean eater is losing more.
I think you are assuming Person B eats only processed "unhealthy" foods. The OP stipulates that they both eat nutrient dense foods and meet their macro and micro nutrient goals. Only difference is that Person B incorporates some ice cream or cookies as their calories allow, instead of having more chicken breast or other whole foods.
Yes--like I said above, I've gone through periods where I essentially cut out these foods and others where I include them in moderation. I really don't think I get that much sodium (in fact, I'm pretty sure the main source is salt I add when cooking, which doesn't vary between the two periods) and I generally don't see any sodium influence on my weight (and the person wouldn't anyway if nothing changed between the beginning of the period and the end).
I might see a brief upswing the night after having a meal out depending on where I go.
The fact I eat ice cream has zero effect on the amount of chicken breast I eat. I find it hard to imagine those are subs to anyone.
(Also, skinless, boneless chicken breast vs. say, homemade ice cream -- is one really more of a "processed" or "whole" food? I think people are using "whole" to mean nutrient dense and processed or "highly processed" to mean non-nutrient dense, and that's really not what they mean. For example, protein powder or any pre-made meal would be "highly processed," and yet I would consider both potentially nutrient dense, depending on what you are looking for and what they are.)0 -
Checking in from the casino and I see this thread has gone to plaid lol...
Oh, I have not received my latest marching orders from the iifym kabal, has anyone else? And if yes, can you update me????0 -
Checking in from the casino and I see this thread has gone to plaid lol...
Oh, I have not received my latest marching orders from the iifym kabal, has anyone else? And if yes, can you update me????
And yes, we are all meeting at midnight at the Carl's Jr. Remember to bring your secret internet argument decoder ring.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Will today be the day someone is able to address the "health" myth? I think we've pretty much laid the weight loss one to rest.
Well, it's now Caturday in the US. Maybe?0 -
Checking in from the casino and I see this thread has gone to plaid lol...
Oh, I have not received my latest marching orders from the iifym kabal, has anyone else? And if yes, can you update me????
haha shiiit you knew where this was going when you started it
and it went there
oh MFP you never change0
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