vegan diet vs high protein diet

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  • harlowbyrd
    harlowbyrd Posts: 9 Member
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    Ok, guys, my apologies! Turnes out it's 17
  • purplishblue
    purplishblue Posts: 135 Member
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    Did you have any thoughts about what I wrote?
  • malibu927
    malibu927 Posts: 17,565 Member
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    harlowbyrd wrote: »
    Ok, guys, my apologies! Turnes out it's 17

    That makes much more sense, but fact of the matter is, you're still underweight and should gain a few/body recomp
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,943 Member
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    harlowbyrd wrote: »
    Ok, guys, my apologies! Turnes out it's 17

    You're underweight trying to get more underweight. Not a good thing.
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
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    harlowbyrd wrote: »
    Ok, guys, my apologies! Turnes out it's 17

    Yay! Well done for checking and revising. Does this mean you're now happy with your body?

    Kind regards.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,389 MFP Moderator
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    Yes, CICO is the wrong focus. It has in mind the one-dimensional goal of the number on the scale. If that is all you are wanting is a lower number on the scale, then by all means EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT AS LONG AS IT FITS IN YOUR CALORIES.


    CICO is an energy balance equation not a diet lifestyle. Also, what you are probably referring to, without a full understanding, is IIFYM. Either way, no one in this thread will tell the OP to just eat junk food. What we would say ia there is no reason for the OP to choose a lifestyle but she should focus on getting nutrient dense foods, adequate protein (can be from meats or other sources), and start a solid lifting routine. Since the OP is borderline underweight, she should probably work on a recomp or potentially bulk to work on adding muscle and filling in her skin.


    Also, IRT blood sugar, the average person doesn't have an issue with regulating it so bringing that into the equation is just not helpful and way over complicating things.
  • Hollywood_Porky
    Hollywood_Porky Posts: 491 Member
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    MrM27 wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    harlowbyrd wrote: »
    Can't decide which one to do, I want to decrease body fat percentage. I'm 102 lbs, 41% body fat. I know that, ultimately it all goes down to calories in and out, but is there anyone who tried both ? If so, what were the results ? Any advice is greatly appreciated
    Well I am NOT a fan of CICO because, well, it's false. But I have eaten different ways, vegan, raw vegan, SAD, etc. In my own experience, eating in such a way as to avoid spikes in blood sugar has brought the steadiest and fastest results ever, even at my current age of 46! Make veggies your first choice, non-starchy, and especially get lots of greens!! Aim for 1lb of non-starchy veggies a day, and increase your fiber to 35-45g/day. Then draw into your meals proteins, and try to eat 35% protein. Eat 40-50% healthy fats such as coconut products, nuts, avos, etc. 15% or less carbs, derived from the above mentioned foods. Personally, I pulled out dairy, sugar, fruit and grains from my diet for now. I will eat them later, after I have finished shedding all the unhealthy stress-fat that went on my body! I would be happy to answer questions of you have them. If you can see my profile page, I have listed my progress since I started doing this! Health and blessings!
    You really believe calories in/calories out for weight loss is false? Really?

    Just do you know, it's the only possible way to lose weight. How you get to the calorie deficit-type of diet, etc.-personal preference only.

    Yes, CICO is the wrong focus. It has in mind the one-dimensional goal of the number on the scale. If that is all you are wanting is a lower number on the scale, then by all means EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT AS LONG AS IT FITS IN YOUR CALORIES.

    Eating whatever you want and CICO is a weak link just to try and say CICO doesn't work.

    SLLRunner wrote: »
    harlowbyrd wrote: »
    Can't decide which one to do, I want to decrease body fat percentage. I'm 102 lbs, 41% body fat. I know that, ultimately it all goes down to calories in and out, but is there anyone who tried both ? If so, what were the results ? Any advice is greatly appreciated
    Well I am NOT a fan of CICO because, well, it's false. But I have eaten different ways, vegan, raw vegan, SAD, etc. In my own experience, eating in such a way as to avoid spikes in blood sugar has brought the steadiest and fastest results ever, even at my current age of 46! Make veggies your first choice, non-starchy, and especially get lots of greens!! Aim for 1lb of non-starchy veggies a day, and increase your fiber to 35-45g/day. Then draw into your meals proteins, and try to eat 35% protein. Eat 40-50% healthy fats such as coconut products, nuts, avos, etc. 15% or less carbs, derived from the above mentioned foods. Personally, I pulled out dairy, sugar, fruit and grains from my diet for now. I will eat them later, after I have finished shedding all the unhealthy stress-fat that went on my body! I would be happy to answer questions of you have them. If you can see my profile page, I have listed my progress since I started doing this! Health and blessings!
    You really believe calories in/calories out for weight loss is false? Really?

    Just do you know, it's the only possible way to lose weight. How you get to the calorie deficit-type of diet, etc.-personal preference only.

    Yes, CICO is the wrong focus. It has in mind the one-dimensional goal of the number on the scale. If that is all you are wanting is a lower number on the scale, then by all means EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT AS LONG AS IT FITS IN YOUR CALORIES.


    I'm sorry, but how does a statement of energy balance equate to focusing on the scale?

    Nutrition and energy balance are separate topics.

    One and the same.

    If you apply CICO, there's calories-in and calories-out.

    CI = intake - that means your nutritional profile matters, getting to your macros (appropriating them correctly as well) and making sure you include fiber in the diet is essential for weight loss.

    Eat whatever you want is dumb and pointless, and as @Justygirl77 says - do whatever you want - just know the most conservative method to weight loss (fat pounds) requires the highest nutritional component available to achieve it. Win-win.

    You are creating and argument no one said. No one in this thread ever said eat whatever you want. You are just saying that to argue.
    @Justygirl77 has great information. Second, nothing is impossible. First off OP, you need to validate those PBF numbers - you need to have someone do a 7 point caliper test for body fat, second you need to do a multi-point measurement of your body areas and run those against charts with your age, height, and body weight to determine what you have for a PBF - that will validate the scale's PBF number - whether it is truly off or not. If you are more concerned, I would ask your doctor to order a DEXA scan to provide a final verification. DEXA is literally 100% accurate - but most DEXA scanning companies require a doctor's referral.

    She actually isn't saying anything great. Again, both of you are creating an argument no one made in this thread.

    Both of you are derailing this thread by putting words in people's mouths.

    I responded to someone on this forum - you are doing the same thing you always do - you are creating the problem yourself.
  • forgtmenot
    forgtmenot Posts: 860 Member
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    You don't need to lose weight, period.
  • zeroh13
    zeroh13 Posts: 19 Member
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    runmama411 wrote: »
    I was a vegan for a bit. You can get plenty of daily protein eating animal-free, but you're going to have to plan, cook, and prepare foods wayyyy more. You must not ever forget that without animal protein, you have to create the complete proteins with your food combinations. Just eating vegetables and carbs ain't gonna cut it. This was my downfall. Meat still grosses me out, but I'm ok with chicken and fish and eat it now. Just read up beforehand and add a B12 supplement to your life. ;) Also, I would check out the cookbook "Isa Does It" for delicious vegan recipes or the Post-Punk Kitchen website.

    Exactly. You can be vegan with a high protein diet. It doesn't have to be one or the other. If this is something you are interested in, there are resources out there to help you.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,389 MFP Moderator
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    Considering the OP stating that they probably would stuggle with a meatless life, vegan os probably not an ideal lifestyle for them. And they really need an eating style that can be sustainable.

    What i found out about myself is i cant follow a protocol that restricts foods or carbs. When i restrict foods i binge and when i restrict carbs i get light headed and dizzy. So what might be ideal for the OP is to start with tracking calories (with a food scale for accuracy) and then work on getting more protein (around 80g) and find a solid progressive weight training program (NROL4W, SL 5x5, Strong Curves).
  • Justygirl77
    Justygirl77 Posts: 385 Member
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    psulemon wrote: »

    Yes, CICO is the wrong focus. It has in mind the one-dimensional goal of the number on the scale. If that is all you are wanting is a lower number on the scale, then by all means EAT WHATEVER YOU WANT AS LONG AS IT FITS IN YOUR CALORIES.


    CICO is an energy balance equation not a diet lifestyle. Also, what you are probably referring to, without a full understanding, is IIFYM. Either way, no one in this thread will tell the OP to just eat junk food. What we would say ia there is no reason for the OP to choose a lifestyle but she should focus on getting nutrient dense foods, adequate protein (can be from meats or other sources), and start a solid lifting routine. Since the OP is borderline underweight, she should probably work on a recomp or potentially bulk to work on adding muscle and filling in her skin.


    Also, IRT blood sugar, the average person doesn't have an issue with regulating it so bringing that into the equation is just not helpful and way over complicating things.
    Exactly. CICO is an equation, not a type of diet.

    You don't know if you have a problem with sugar.....until you test it!!!!

    How can you not choose a lifestyle, and yet...eat nutrient dense foods, adequate protein and engage in a solid lifting routine,......do these things just happen naturally?

    Yes, OP needs to get her numbers straight.


  • Justygirl77
    Justygirl77 Posts: 385 Member
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    psulemon wrote: »
    Considering the OP stating that they probably would stuggle with a meatless life, vegan os probably not an ideal lifestyle for them. And they really need an eating style that can be sustainable.

    What i found out about myself is i cant follow a protocol that restricts foods or carbs. When i restrict foods i binge and when i restrict carbs i get light headed and dizzy. So what might be ideal for the OP is to start with tracking calories (with a food scale for accuracy) and then work on getting more protein (around 80g) and find a solid progressive weight training program (NROL4W, SL 5x5, Strong Curves).

    What I would like to suggest is that the symptoms that result from lowering carbs/sugar, or from removing certain foods like dairy or grains or sugars....those symptoms can very well be the result of withdrawal.
    I pulled dairy, grains, fruit and sugar from my diet all at once, and lowered my carbs to 50g or less Net Carbs/day. I had withdrawal symptoms for a week....fatigue, migraine, etc.
    But after that time, I had energy, freedom from cravings, and total control over my food choices, and could choose the foods that really help me achieve my goals without bingeing and ruining my own progress.
    I have been doing this diet without cheating even once since March 20th.
    No hunger (except normal appetite, or late night hunger....i'm on a deficit so of course). It wouldn't be necessary to remove those foods all at once, it could happen more gradually (like remove one type of food at a time), but I just cut off the whole tail at once lol, and that worked out okay for me.