CALORIE QUALITY
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I think the question is do you want to lose weight just to look good or do you want to lose weight and get healthy. Yes you will lose weight as long as CI are less than CO but if you want to be healthy you also have to take notice of what you eat. Just losing weight does not mean that your cholesterol is where it should be or your blood pressure. And thanks AlexisUPenn for the information whether you forgot to give credit or not as you tried to share valuable information. So to sum it up yes you can lose weight and look better by just paying attention to CI/CO but if you also want to be healthy you have to look at the bigger picture of what you are consuming. Balance.
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Isocaloric? Iso- as what? You mean day-to-day?AlexisUPenn wrote: »The whole "calories in- calories out" is old school thinking. There have been a multitude of studies that show consumption of certain macros will influence your weight especially for those who are overweight/obese. Excess carbs will prevent those people from losing weight.
Please post a link to these multitude of studies that state this.....
*waits*
Yeah. Nope.
Excess CALORIES will prevent people from losing weight.
Body composition is a function of both what is consumed and how much is consumed.
CO is a function of body function.
Deficit at isocaloric intake is a function of CO.
Weight loss is a function of deficit.
Therefore weight loss is also a function of what is consumed.
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LolBroScience wrote: »
You're learning. Stick around these forums, and maybe one day you'll meet your weight loss goal...LolBroScience wrote: »So....If I make a pizza with:- Reduced Fat Cheese (ok according to USDA according to the chart as skim milk > whole milk)
- Whole Wheat Crust (good because whole wheat you know)
- Pesto sauce (good because olive oil, healthy fats, etc you know)
- Lean Ground Beef (good because lean meat)
- Olives
- Any other topping that would fit the USDA criteria for "non-empty cals"
Even though it might be the same, if not more calories per slice.... it is not considered junk?
I just want to be toned....
Do more curls bro, get more toned!
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »
Which is exactly what I said when I posted:LolBroScience wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »How did that "call me out?" it's a reputable resource and explains the process of carb metabolism which you would find is the same process anywhere you look.
If you consumed 1200 cals and 80% were from carbs, 10% protein and 10% fat did that for a week and then tried doing 1200 cals with 25% carbs, 40% protein and 35% fat you would get very different results.
That's not calorie quality, that's macronutrient breakdown.
The whole "calories in- calories out" is old school thinking. There have been a multitude of studies that show consumption of certain macros will influence your weight especially for those who are overweight/obese. Excess carbs will prevent those people from losing weight.
So I didn't really start out severely obese and lose 30 lbs eating around 225 grams of carbs a day? Or does that not meet your threshold for excess carbs?
225 grams of carbs and weight loss is possible depending on the persons weight and the source/quality of carbs they're eating. Also, in comparison to how you were eating before plays a big role. Over time, high levels of carbs- especially if from processed foods- can lead to insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome in those who are overweight/obese. Over time as your weight decreases so will your calorie and macronutrient goals... if you want to continue to lose weight.0 -
If it doesn't, maybe 400 does. I'm eating more than 400 grams of carbs a day and am losing weight despite cranking up my calorie intake twice in three weeks.lynn_glenmont wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »
Which is exactly what I said when I posted:LolBroScience wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »How did that "call me out?" it's a reputable resource and explains the process of carb metabolism which you would find is the same process anywhere you look.
If you consumed 1200 cals and 80% were from carbs, 10% protein and 10% fat did that for a week and then tried doing 1200 cals with 25% carbs, 40% protein and 35% fat you would get very different results.
That's not calorie quality, that's macronutrient breakdown.
The whole "calories in- calories out" is old school thinking. There have been a multitude of studies that show consumption of certain macros will influence your weight especially for those who are overweight/obese. Excess carbs will prevent those people from losing weight.
So I didn't really start out severely obese and lose 30 lbs eating around 225 grams of carbs a day? Or does that not meet your threshold for excess carbs?
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »
Which is exactly what I said when I posted:LolBroScience wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »How did that "call me out?" it's a reputable resource and explains the process of carb metabolism which you would find is the same process anywhere you look.
If you consumed 1200 cals and 80% were from carbs, 10% protein and 10% fat did that for a week and then tried doing 1200 cals with 25% carbs, 40% protein and 35% fat you would get very different results.
That's not calorie quality, that's macronutrient breakdown.
The whole "calories in- calories out" is old school thinking. There have been a multitude of studies that show consumption of certain macros will influence your weight especially for those who are overweight/obese. Excess carbs will prevent those people from losing weight.
just sayin...don't really matter
http://news.yahoo.com/fat-loss-calories-may-matter-more-fat-carbs-161720413.html0 -
AlexisUPenn wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »
Which is exactly what I said when I posted:LolBroScience wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »How did that "call me out?" it's a reputable resource and explains the process of carb metabolism which you would find is the same process anywhere you look.
If you consumed 1200 cals and 80% were from carbs, 10% protein and 10% fat did that for a week and then tried doing 1200 cals with 25% carbs, 40% protein and 35% fat you would get very different results.
That's not calorie quality, that's macronutrient breakdown.
The whole "calories in- calories out" is old school thinking. There have been a multitude of studies that show consumption of certain macros will influence your weight especially for those who are overweight/obese. Excess carbs will prevent those people from losing weight.
So I didn't really start out severely obese and lose 30 lbs eating around 225 grams of carbs a day? Or does that not meet your threshold for excess carbs?
225 grams of carbs and weight loss is possible depending on the persons weight and the source/quality of carbs they're eating. Also, in comparison to how you were eating before plays a big role. Over time, high levels of carbs- especially if from processed foods- can lead to insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome in those who are overweight/obese. Over time as your weight decreases so will your calorie and macronutrient goals... if you want to continue to lose weight.
I lost 121 pounds eating around 250 carbs, I also reverse my heart disease and have excellent blood work. Am I medical miracle??0 -
Harvard School of Public Health and lead author of the study, said in an interview, “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0&referrer=
Study:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1014296?query=TOC#results0 -
AlexisUPenn wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »
Which is exactly what I said when I posted:LolBroScience wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »How did that "call me out?" it's a reputable resource and explains the process of carb metabolism which you would find is the same process anywhere you look.
If you consumed 1200 cals and 80% were from carbs, 10% protein and 10% fat did that for a week and then tried doing 1200 cals with 25% carbs, 40% protein and 35% fat you would get very different results.
That's not calorie quality, that's macronutrient breakdown.
The whole "calories in- calories out" is old school thinking. There have been a multitude of studies that show consumption of certain macros will influence your weight especially for those who are overweight/obese. Excess carbs will prevent those people from losing weight.
So I didn't really start out severely obese and lose 30 lbs eating around 225 grams of carbs a day? Or does that not meet your threshold for excess carbs?
225 grams of carbs and weight loss is possible depending on the persons weight and the source/quality of carbs they're eating. Also, in comparison to how you were eating before plays a big role. Over time, high levels of carbs- especially if from processed foods- can lead to insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome in those who are overweight/obese. Over time as your weight decreases so will your calorie and macronutrient goals... if you want to continue to lose weight.
I am currently cutting on 335g carbs and rather lean, and that's with no cardio built into my programming. I know people who are cutting on an even greater amount of carbs. So, we must be unicorns.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »
Which is exactly what I said when I posted:LolBroScience wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »How did that "call me out?" it's a reputable resource and explains the process of carb metabolism which you would find is the same process anywhere you look.
If you consumed 1200 cals and 80% were from carbs, 10% protein and 10% fat did that for a week and then tried doing 1200 cals with 25% carbs, 40% protein and 35% fat you would get very different results.
That's not calorie quality, that's macronutrient breakdown.
The whole "calories in- calories out" is old school thinking. There have been a multitude of studies that show consumption of certain macros will influence your weight especially for those who are overweight/obese. Excess carbs will prevent those people from losing weight.
So I didn't really start out severely obese and lose 30 lbs eating around 225 grams of carbs a day? Or does that not meet your threshold for excess carbs?
225 grams of carbs and weight loss is possible depending on the persons weight and the source/quality of carbs they're eating. Also, in comparison to how you were eating before plays a big role. Over time, high levels of carbs- especially if from processed foods- can lead to insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome in those who are overweight/obese. Over time as your weight decreases so will your calorie and macronutrient goals... if you want to continue to lose weight.
I am currently cutting on 335g carbs and rather lean, and that's with no cardio built into my programming. I know people who are cutting on an even greater amount of carbs. So, we must be unicorns.
Extra special snowflake unicorn.
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SergeantSausage wrote: »Isn't the ultimate goal to be HEALTHY though? Or am I the only one who thinks like that? I'm all for having the occasional treat but I'm not going to fill up my daily calories with junk. But that's just me.
For most average folks, losing the extra 60 or 80 pounds is the *healthiest* thing they can do, irrespective of what they're eating or how they lose it.
But if you lose it eating appropriate amounts of healthy food isn't that better?
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I lost 122 pounds. What does he mean by "the kinds of calories" because counting calories mattered quite a bit to me.AlexisUPenn wrote: »Harvard School of Public Health and lead author of the study, said in an interview, “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0&referrer=
Study:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1014296?query=TOC#results
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »Harvard School of Public Health and lead author of the study, said in an interview, “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0&referrer=
Study:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1014296?query=TOC#results
Please keep digging your hole.0 -
AlexisUPenn wrote: »Harvard School of Public Health and lead author of the study, said in an interview, “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0&referrer=
Study:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1014296?query=TOC#results
Also,
Some foods — vegetables, nuts, fruits, and whole grains — were associated with less weight gain when consumption was actually increased. Obviously, such foods provide calories and cannot violate thermodynamic laws. Their inverse associations with weight gain suggest that the increase in their consumption reduced the intake of other foods to a greater (caloric) extent, decreasing the overall amount of energy consumed. Higher fiber content and slower digestion of these foods would augment satiety, and their increased consumption would also displace other, more highly processed foods in the diet, providing plausible biologic mechanisms whereby persons who eat more fruits, nuts, vegetables, and whole grains would gain less weight over time. --- Groundbreaking stuff right here... nutrient dense foods provide greater satiation and generally prevent individuals from over eating.
Our study has some limitations. Although dietary questionnaires specified portion sizes, residual, unmeasured differences in portion sizes among participants might account for additional independent effects on energy balance. For example, an average, large baked potato contains 278 calories, as compared with 500 to 600 calories for a large serving of french fries.56 The typical portion size of a specific food or beverage may therefore partly mediate its effects on weight gain (i.e., both average portion sizes and biologic effects). --- So, calories were not held constant and it was self reported intake which is notoriously inaccurate.0 -
That's what SHE said. I moved no goalposts. She quoted "calorie counting won't matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you are eating" She has also erroneous been saying over and over again that it is excess carbs that make you gain weight and not a basic CICO equation of excess calories.
I look at macros. That doesn't mean I think it somehow changes the fundamentals of CICO. Because that would just be silliness.
If I misconstrued, my apologies.
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I never said a calorie deficit isn't needed for weight loss. I was pointing out that the equation is oversimplified. There are different metabolic pathways and hormones that play a role in losing weight.0
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AlexisUPenn wrote: »Harvard School of Public Health and lead author of the study, said in an interview, “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0&referrer=
Study:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1014296?query=TOC#results
Sighs. None of those links said what you said they said. Of course, of course.
None of those links said that calorie counting doesn't work. One said people aren't generally good at it. That isn't because carbs make you fat. It's because a lot of people lack commitment. I don't.
The second link showed a correlation, not a causation between certain types of food over a span of time and weight gain or loss. Foods which are carbs are on either side of that equation.
Sad.
When did I say calorie counting doesn't work? I didn't say that. What the calories are composed of does play a role. It's not as simple as calories in vs cals out.
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Yes it is and I have proved it with 121 pounds loss and the fact I was able to reverse my heart disease, while eating carbs.AlexisUPenn wrote: »AlexisUPenn wrote: »Harvard School of Public Health and lead author of the study, said in an interview, “What you eat makes quite a difference. Just counting calories won’t matter much unless you look at the kinds of calories you’re eating.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0&referrer=
Study:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1014296?query=TOC#results
Sighs. None of those links said what you said they said. Of course, of course.
None of those links said that calorie counting doesn't work. One said people aren't generally good at it. That isn't because carbs make you fat. It's because a lot of people lack commitment. I don't.
The second link showed a correlation, not a causation between certain types of food over a span of time and weight gain or loss. Foods which are carbs are on either side of that equation.
Sad.
When did I say calorie counting doesn't work? I didn't say that. What the calories are composed of does play a role. It's not as simple as calories in vs cals out.
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I didn't say you couldn't eat carbs... Wow0
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