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MJ2victory wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »you all are taking what like 12 bad eggs have said and making that what fat acceptance is all about.
The ASDAH website has abandonded health as an objective because it's moralistic. That's not a "bad egg" in the movement, HAES and ASDAH is a pivotal arm of the Fat Acceptance Movement.
asdah and haes are literally specifically all about health... what are you even referring to?
ASDAH and HAES are pivotal arms of the Fat Acceptance Movement.
Fat Acceptance is politicized and not just some people posting on tumblr. I don't know what you think it is.3 -
Never said it was anyone here. I've just seen this sort of mentality among extreme feminists.MJ2victory wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
who here is trying to say that's ok?
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »you all are taking what like 12 bad eggs have said and making that what fat acceptance is all about.
The ASDAH website has abandonded health as an objective because it's moralistic. That's not a "bad egg" in the movement, HAES and ASDAH is a pivotal arm of the Fat Acceptance Movement.
asdah and haes are literally specifically all about health... what are you even referring to?
ASDAH and HAES are pivotal arms of the Fat Acceptance Movement.
Fat Acceptance is politicized and not just some people posting on tumblr. I don't know what you think it is.
yeah, and the poster said they abandoned health as an objective... but then why's it still called asdah and not asd? the website is all about health?0 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »
Never said it was anyone here. I've just seen this sort of mentality among extreme feminists.MJ2victory wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
who here is trying to say that's ok?
you've seen that mentality among idiots who've never applied a bit of critical thinking is more like it.1 -
MJ2victory wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »you all are taking what like 12 bad eggs have said and making that what fat acceptance is all about.
The ASDAH website has abandonded health as an objective because it's moralistic. That's not a "bad egg" in the movement, HAES and ASDAH is a pivotal arm of the Fat Acceptance Movement.
asdah and haes are literally specifically all about health... what are you even referring to?
ASDAH and HAES are pivotal arms of the Fat Acceptance Movement.
Fat Acceptance is politicized and not just some people posting on tumblr. I don't know what you think it is.
yeah, and the poster said they abandoned health as an objective... but then why's it still called asdah and not asd? the website is all about health?
But it's not about health any more, so they've abandoned that and are just about size diversity.
They are a major player in EVERY FA conference.
What do you think the Fat Acceptance movement is? It's a group of scholarly types (thought leaders) who are working to change policy and thought, getting into institutes of higher learning. It's organizations like ASDAH and individuals with degrees.
It's not just people posting on tumblr or Facebook.4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »you all are taking what like 12 bad eggs have said and making that what fat acceptance is all about.
The ASDAH website has abandonded health as an objective because it's moralistic. That's not a "bad egg" in the movement, HAES and ASDAH is a pivotal arm of the Fat Acceptance Movement.
Some choice quotes from this:Pursuing health is neither a moral imperative nor an individual obligation, and health status should never be used to judge, oppress, or determine the value of an individual.
Cagey language here to mask what's really being said. Of course you shouldn't judge someone on their health status. That's laudable.
However, read between the lines. That sentence also says that the pursuit of health as a goal isn't something someone needs to do.
That's backing off the original HAES principles which touted healthy behaviors at every size. Now they're not an obligation.
Okay, next:The framing for a Health At Every Size (HAES®) approach comes out of discussions among healthcare workers, consumers, and activists who reject both the use of weight, size, or BMI as proxies for health, and the myth that weight is a choice.
Sweet little lies. Weight is always a choice. It might not feel like one, but every morsel of food or drink that passes your lips is a choice.Health Enhancement: Support health policies that improve and equalize access to information and services, and personal practices that improve human well-being, including attention to individual physical, economic, social, spiritual, emotional, and other needs.
What does this mean? A lot of health related treatments are weight limited or weight-specific, and denying that fact, ignoring it, or insisting that it's fatphobia that say, joint replacements which have weight limits are being denied because patients don't meet the weight requirement isn't going to change facts.Eating for Well-being: Promote flexible, individualized eating based on hunger, satiety, nutritional needs, and pleasure, rather than any externally regulated eating plan focused on weight control.
Ignores the fact that overeating is disordered eating.
I could go on and on, especially in the question and answer part. Suffice to say, this group isn't some fringe organization.
I could write a similar post where I go line by line on my opinion of your opinion of these points but tbh I'm tired of putting this much energy into a debate where neither of us is going to concede an inch. We don't agree on the details but I really think that overall we both agree in loving oneself enough to make healthier choices and that's what really matters. Now this fatty right here needs to focus on her own self
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MJ2victory wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »you all are taking what like 12 bad eggs have said and making that what fat acceptance is all about.
The ASDAH website has abandonded health as an objective because it's moralistic. That's not a "bad egg" in the movement, HAES and ASDAH is a pivotal arm of the Fat Acceptance Movement.
Some choice quotes from this:Pursuing health is neither a moral imperative nor an individual obligation, and health status should never be used to judge, oppress, or determine the value of an individual.
Cagey language here to mask what's really being said. Of course you shouldn't judge someone on their health status. That's laudable.
However, read between the lines. That sentence also says that the pursuit of health as a goal isn't something someone needs to do.
That's backing off the original HAES principles which touted healthy behaviors at every size. Now they're not an obligation.
Okay, next:The framing for a Health At Every Size (HAES®) approach comes out of discussions among healthcare workers, consumers, and activists who reject both the use of weight, size, or BMI as proxies for health, and the myth that weight is a choice.
Sweet little lies. Weight is always a choice. It might not feel like one, but every morsel of food or drink that passes your lips is a choice.Health Enhancement: Support health policies that improve and equalize access to information and services, and personal practices that improve human well-being, including attention to individual physical, economic, social, spiritual, emotional, and other needs.
What does this mean? A lot of health related treatments are weight limited or weight-specific, and denying that fact, ignoring it, or insisting that it's fatphobia that say, joint replacements which have weight limits are being denied because patients don't meet the weight requirement isn't going to change facts.Eating for Well-being: Promote flexible, individualized eating based on hunger, satiety, nutritional needs, and pleasure, rather than any externally regulated eating plan focused on weight control.
Ignores the fact that overeating is disordered eating.
I could go on and on, especially in the question and answer part. Suffice to say, this group isn't some fringe organization.
I could write a similar post where I go line by line on my opinion of your opinion of these points but tbh I'm tired of putting this much energy into a debate where neither of us is going to concede an inch. We don't agree on the details but I really think that overall we both agree in loving oneself enough to make healthier choices and that's what really matters. Now this fatty right here needs to focus on her own self PEACE!
That we do agree on, for sure!3 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »
Never said it was anyone here. I've just seen this sort of mentality among extreme feminists.MJ2victory wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
who here is trying to say that's ok?
Are you saying that "real women have curves" is a feminist statement? Really?5 -
Never once did I say, or even imply that.peckchris3267 wrote: »
Never said it was anyone here. I've just seen this sort of mentality among extreme feminists.MJ2victory wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
who here is trying to say that's ok?
Are you saying that "real women have curves" is a feminist statement? Really?
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peckchris3267 wrote: »
Never said it was anyone here. I've just seen this sort of mentality among extreme feminists.MJ2victory wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
who here is trying to say that's ok?
Are you saying that "real women have curves" is a feminist statement? Really?
I didn't get that. It was more a poke at people who claim to be feminists then will also say real women have curves as if that isn't ironic. And yup, I've seen plenty of women say this but it is more about self justification/acceptance than anything else. Because in reality if they know someone who is very slim or were slim themselves, they know that all women are real.2 -
https://thebodyisnotanapology.com/magazine/why-is-fat-a-feminist-issue/
"As I have learned more about the fat activist movement and current issues in fat activism, I have also learned more about feminism — almost by default. The more I have learned, the clearer the correlation between discrimination against fat people and discrimination against women has become."
"What makes fat a feminist issue is the fact that fat women take up more physical space, are seen as more bothersome, and are viewed as less desirable to look upon."2 -
Not all feminists think this.
Edit: I think such thinking would be more in line with third wave radical feminism. Not all feminists are third wavers.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Not all feminists think this.
Edit: I think such thinking would be more in line with third wave radical feminism. Not all feminists are third wavers.
I'm seeing a tremendous amount of articles just like this. It seems as though this is the stance of modern day feminists.0 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Not all feminists think this.
Edit: I think such thinking would be more in line with third wave radical feminism. Not all feminists are third wavers.
I'm seeing a tremendous amount of articles just like this. It seems as though this is the stance of modern day feminists.
Oh, you hang around with lots of feminists?2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Not all feminists think this.
Edit: I think such thinking would be more in line with third wave radical feminism. Not all feminists are third wavers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_feminism
http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/08/i-understand-fat-acceptance-movement/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thetab.com/2014/04/25/is-fat-the-new-female-fat-justice-could-overtake-feminism-as-the-buzzword-of-our-generation-13594/amp
"This movement evolved from various areas of identity politics, including the feminist idea that fat shaming was a veiled form of misogyny and that being obese should be a source of empowerment for women, rather than something else to criticise about them."1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Not all feminists think this.
Edit: I think such thinking would be more in line with third wave radical feminism. Not all feminists are third wavers.
Oh thanks. I'd never seen that before. I'm from the seventies
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peckchris3267 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Not all feminists think this.
Edit: I think such thinking would be more in line with third wave radical feminism. Not all feminists are third wavers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_feminism
http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/08/i-understand-fat-acceptance-movement/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thetab.com/2014/04/25/is-fat-the-new-female-fat-justice-could-overtake-feminism-as-the-buzzword-of-our-generation-13594/amp
"This movement evolved from various areas of identity politics, including the feminist idea that fat shaming was a veiled form of misogyny and that being obese should be a source of empowerment for women, rather than something else to criticise about them."
And?
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Hmm, some important things to add to this discussion:
Feminism means a lot of different things. Feminists don't all agree on everything.
It is true that some feminists consider fat a feminist issue, and others (probably even me) will consider body acceptance or being aware of how body image/comments about body are used in a demeaning way to be a feminist issue (including about men -- I've seen lots of nastiness about fat people (or individuals who are overweight) in political discussions, from people who should know better, and usually it's the more feminist types who object to that, even when it's about someone (or a group of people) they find politically repugnant. (Not saying only feminists care about this.) It's also true, these days, that snotty comments about fat are OFTEN associated with snotty comments about poorer people or the less educated (including when made by those left of center), because fat is a class issue to some extent in the US, anyway.
Considering fat a feminist issue is quite the opposite of pushing the idea that "real women have curves" or that "real women" should have any body type (which is actually what the "fat is feminists" links posted). Therefore, the mockery of "feminists" as being anti thin women or saying super fit women aren't attractive (as with the parody man thing) is misplaced, IMO. Of course, if one runs into a self-proclaimed feminist who promotes that kind of stuff (real women have curves, only dogs like bones), one should, if one wishes, call him or her on the hypocrisy. I would, but then I enjoy doing that kind of thing sometimes. I haven't actually seen it, though--again, well-curated FB page.6 -
No, I read a lot of articles from a variety of sources.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Not all feminists think this.
Edit: I think such thinking would be more in line with third wave radical feminism. Not all feminists are third wavers.
I'm seeing a tremendous amount of articles just like this. It seems as though this is the stance of modern day feminists.
Oh, you hang around with lots of feminists?
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