Found out why my weight loss had stalled/ stopped.
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WinoGelato wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »Unless your at the pub every night I cant see how the difference between a coke and a diet coke measure would stop u losing weight unless your daily vodkas and coke take u upto maintenance level every day of the week. For 3 months I miscalculated my milk everyday by 100 cals because of a stupid database entry that was way out, it never made a difference but I was annoyed just the same as u are. I can tell straight away if im given coke instead of diet coke, the sweetness makes me wretch, same if someone puts a sugar in my tea.
Because 4 whiskey and diet cokes is 280 calories. whereas 4 whiskeys and normal coke is 880. That is a big difference. Especially when going the pub twice a week.
Say for example I'd eat 1000 in calories that day from food (and yes this is cleared with my doctor, I'm very short so it is fine for me) and had allowed myself 4 drinks at 70 calories each (so 280) to bring my daily to 1280 when I have a TDEE of 1600 per day (so eating at 1280 per day should leave me losing approximately 1lb per 10.9 days.
But if instead I am getting 4 drinks at 220 calories (880) not only does that take my total daily calories (1000 from food + 880 from drinks) above my TDEE and thus into weight gain territory but seriously stalls weight loss when I'm not in that big of a deficit in the first place.
I can't taste difference between diet and non diet cola drinks.
Wait but I thought you said you only go to the pub once or twice a week? I know the extra hidden cals are frustrating, but an extra 600 cals, or 1200 if you go twice a week, doesn't completely negate your weekly deficit... How many cals do you eat on days you don't go to the pub?
Between 1000-1300, more if I hike (rare) and a maintenance day once a week. It doesn't completely stop the weight loss. But it does considerably slow it down to the point I wasn't losing weight at the expected rate.
Are you weighing your food with a food scale?
Yeah. I always weigh my food. Trust me I know how many calories I'm taking in. It's the pub that has been throwing my calories off.
I'm not trying to be argumentative I just don't understand. If this is the pub you've always been going to, and they've always been serving you the regular Coke instead of the diet, then it would have already been in your normal calories. You said you were losing and it stopped/stalled, but you were going there and drinking this same beverage when you were losing, right?
Also if it's only 1-2 times per week it shouldn't completely negate your weekly deficit. You should still be losing, but slowly.
I've only recently started going to the pub again. Trying to be more social. As if I let myself slip I'll stay in the house for days at a time which is bad for my mental health. So no, I wasn't always doing this in my regular calories.1 -
SophieSmall95 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »Unless your at the pub every night I cant see how the difference between a coke and a diet coke measure would stop u losing weight unless your daily vodkas and coke take u upto maintenance level every day of the week. For 3 months I miscalculated my milk everyday by 100 cals because of a stupid database entry that was way out, it never made a difference but I was annoyed just the same as u are. I can tell straight away if im given coke instead of diet coke, the sweetness makes me wretch, same if someone puts a sugar in my tea.
Because 4 whiskey and diet cokes is 280 calories. whereas 4 whiskeys and normal coke is 880. That is a big difference. Especially when going the pub twice a week.
Say for example I'd eat 1000 in calories that day from food (and yes this is cleared with my doctor, I'm very short so it is fine for me) and had allowed myself 4 drinks at 70 calories each (so 280) to bring my daily to 1280 when I have a TDEE of 1600 per day (so eating at 1280 per day should leave me losing approximately 1lb per 10.9 days.
But if instead I am getting 4 drinks at 220 calories (880) not only does that take my total daily calories (1000 from food + 880 from drinks) above my TDEE and thus into weight gain territory but seriously stalls weight loss when I'm not in that big of a deficit in the first place.
I can't taste difference between diet and non diet cola drinks.
Wait but I thought you said you only go to the pub once or twice a week? I know the extra hidden cals are frustrating, but an extra 600 cals, or 1200 if you go twice a week, doesn't completely negate your weekly deficit... How many cals do you eat on days you don't go to the pub?
Between 1000-1300, more if I hike (rare) and a maintenance day once a week. It doesn't completely stop the weight loss. But it does considerably slow it down to the point I wasn't losing weight at the expected rate.
Are you weighing your food with a food scale?
Yeah. I always weigh my food. Trust me I know how many calories I'm taking in. It's the pub that has been throwing my calories off.
I'm not trying to be argumentative I just don't understand. If this is the pub you've always been going to, and they've always been serving you the regular Coke instead of the diet, then it would have already been in your normal calories. You said you were losing and it stopped/stalled, but you were going there and drinking this same beverage when you were losing, right?
Also if it's only 1-2 times per week it shouldn't completely negate your weekly deficit. You should still be losing, but slowly.
I've only recently started going to the pub again. Trying to be more social. As if I let myself slip I'll stay in the house for days at a time which is bad for my mental health. So no, I wasn't always doing this in my regular calories.
Ah. Ok. I misunderstood some of your earlier posts. Getting down to those last 10 lbs the accuracy becomes very important so it's good you've figured this out and that you are weighing your food.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »Unless your at the pub every night I cant see how the difference between a coke and a diet coke measure would stop u losing weight unless your daily vodkas and coke take u upto maintenance level every day of the week. For 3 months I miscalculated my milk everyday by 100 cals because of a stupid database entry that was way out, it never made a difference but I was annoyed just the same as u are. I can tell straight away if im given coke instead of diet coke, the sweetness makes me wretch, same if someone puts a sugar in my tea.
Because 4 whiskey and diet cokes is 280 calories. whereas 4 whiskeys and normal coke is 880. That is a big difference. Especially when going the pub twice a week.
Say for example I'd eat 1000 in calories that day from food (and yes this is cleared with my doctor, I'm very short so it is fine for me) and had allowed myself 4 drinks at 70 calories each (so 280) to bring my daily to 1280 when I have a TDEE of 1600 per day (so eating at 1280 per day should leave me losing approximately 1lb per 10.9 days.
But if instead I am getting 4 drinks at 220 calories (880) not only does that take my total daily calories (1000 from food + 880 from drinks) above my TDEE and thus into weight gain territory but seriously stalls weight loss when I'm not in that big of a deficit in the first place.
I can't taste difference between diet and non diet cola drinks.
Wait but I thought you said you only go to the pub once or twice a week? I know the extra hidden cals are frustrating, but an extra 600 cals, or 1200 if you go twice a week, doesn't completely negate your weekly deficit... How many cals do you eat on days you don't go to the pub?
Between 1000-1300, more if I hike (rare) and a maintenance day once a week. It doesn't completely stop the weight loss. But it does considerably slow it down to the point I wasn't losing weight at the expected rate.
Are you weighing your food with a food scale?
Yeah. I always weigh my food. Trust me I know how many calories I'm taking in. It's the pub that has been throwing my calories off.
I'm not trying to be argumentative I just don't understand. If this is the pub you've always been going to, and they've always been serving you the regular Coke instead of the diet, then it would have already been in your normal calories. You said you were losing and it stopped/stalled, but you were going there and drinking this same beverage when you were losing, right?
Also if it's only 1-2 times per week it shouldn't completely negate your weekly deficit. You should still be losing, but slowly.
I've only recently started going to the pub again. Trying to be more social. As if I let myself slip I'll stay in the house for days at a time which is bad for my mental health. So no, I wasn't always doing this in my regular calories.
Ah. Ok. I misunderstood some of your earlier posts. Getting down to those last 10 lbs the accuracy becomes very important so it's good you've figured this out and that you are weighing your food.
No problem. And yeah I know, I always try to be as accurate as possible. Which is why socialising is so hard. I do make sure not to eat any restaurant or pub foods though as you can never trust the calorie counts to be right. I only eat stuff I have made myself or weighed out portions of food.
Wine it is from now on.
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iManifestGoals wrote: »And carbonated drinks make you hungry. The fizz gets close to what triggers the chemical if you're full or not? And well...you eat when you drink anything fizzy. Beer, water, soda...bar makes money.
Thanks America for the SUPER SIZE. 
But I drink a bottle of diet coke between lunch and the end of the work day to keep me full and to stop me snacking. Seems to work!!0 -
I used to live on diet coke when I was losing weight. This time around I don't drink it, only because it gives me headaches (so does regular soda). I used to drink Miller Light in the bottle. I think its 104 calories per bottle or something, so it's not AS bad as some other stuff. If you can stand it, drink some "on the rocks" liquor. I would think if they don't offer any zero calorie/no sugar options they would let you bring in your own bottle of diet coke...I mean, you're still buying the alcohol from them which is what you're paying for. Most of the bars I go to have the options, but still, I always see people walking around the bars with Zero Calorie sparkling waters and stuff that they brought from home...
I drink wine now when I go out though. I just add it into my calories for the day. Five ounces of White Zinfandel is only about 100 cals.0 -
SophieSmall95 wrote: »...Every time I was ordering a drink at the pub they were giving me normal coke and not diet coke! So annoyed.
I specifically choose a spirit and diet coke as it makes it as 70 calorie drink rather than a 220 calorie drink. I asked the barmaid what diet mixers they have, they said coke, pepsi and diet coke.
Turns out this whole time they were just giving me normal because they don't have diet. So annoyed that they didn't even say "sorry is normal coke okay we don't have diet?" instead I trusted them to give me diet at my request and I've been going hundreds over my calories!
Furious.
what a jerk! I hope you told management so they can train their people!1 -
SophieSmall95 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Yeah.. It's suspicious that when you asked about diet mixers, the first two she listed were NOT diet.
I can absolutely taste the difference between sugar and any kind of artificial sweetener. Unfortunately I hate artificial sweeteners, so I drink my bourbon on the rocks
. No chance of misunderstandings that way tho!
I unfortunately am not at all a fan of straight spirits.
Think I'm just going to go to wine instead now. At about 130 calories a glass it's less calories than what I used to drink which was pints of beer.
A pint of lite beer has about that amount of calories and lasts a lot longer than a glass of wine..0 -
Heartisalonelyhunter wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Yeah.. It's suspicious that when you asked about diet mixers, the first two she listed were NOT diet.
I can absolutely taste the difference between sugar and any kind of artificial sweetener. Unfortunately I hate artificial sweeteners, so I drink my bourbon on the rocks. No chance of misunderstandings that way tho!
I unfortunately am not at all a fan of straight spirits.
Think I'm just going to go to wine instead now. At about 130 calories a glass it's less calories than what I used to drink which was pints of beer.
A pint of lite beer has about that amount of calories and lasts a lot longer than a glass of wine..
Are you talking about an american "pint" or a proper pint? A glass of wine is about 130 calories (130ml/ 5floz) whereas a pint of light larger (british pint 568ml) is about 200-250 calories. Quite a big difference.0 -
SophieSmall95 wrote: »...Every time I was ordering a drink at the pub they were giving me normal coke and not diet coke! So annoyed.
I specifically choose a spirit and diet coke as it makes it as 70 calorie drink rather than a 220 calorie drink. I asked the barmaid what diet mixers they have, they said coke, pepsi and diet coke.
Turns out this whole time they were just giving me normal because they don't have diet. So annoyed that they didn't even say "sorry is normal coke okay we don't have diet?" instead I trusted them to give me diet at my request and I've been going hundreds over my calories!
Furious.
Good catch. No offense, but couldn't taste the difference?
To me, any diet soda tastes vastly different from diet-especially when it comes to regular coke and diet coke. 0 -
SophieSmall95 wrote: »...Every time I was ordering a drink at the pub they were giving me normal coke and not diet coke! So annoyed.
I specifically choose a spirit and diet coke as it makes it as 70 calorie drink rather than a 220 calorie drink. I asked the barmaid what diet mixers they have, they said coke, pepsi and diet coke.
Turns out this whole time they were just giving me normal because they don't have diet. So annoyed that they didn't even say "sorry is normal coke okay we don't have diet?" instead I trusted them to give me diet at my request and I've been going hundreds over my calories!
Furious.
Good catch. No offense, but couldn't you taste the difference? To me, any diet soda tastes vastly different from diet-especially when it comes to regular coke and diet coke.
Nope they all taste the same to me to be honest.0 -
iManifestGoals wrote: »You do know Diet Coke makes you gain weight? Right? Our bodies are so used to fake sugars that it tricks our bodies into thinking it's real sugar.
This is not true at all. Only surplus calories cause weight gain, and diet coke has zero calories.
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Wow, that stinks. For all they know you are diabetic and have to avoid sugar, what irresponsible people.1
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SophieSmall95 wrote: »Heartisalonelyhunter wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Yeah.. It's suspicious that when you asked about diet mixers, the first two she listed were NOT diet.
I can absolutely taste the difference between sugar and any kind of artificial sweetener. Unfortunately I hate artificial sweeteners, so I drink my bourbon on the rocks. No chance of misunderstandings that way tho!
I unfortunately am not at all a fan of straight spirits.
Think I'm just going to go to wine instead now. At about 130 calories a glass it's less calories than what I used to drink which was pints of beer.
A pint of lite beer has about that amount of calories and lasts a lot longer than a glass of wine..
Are you talking about an american "pint" or a proper pint? A glass of wine is about 130 calories (130ml/ 5floz) whereas a pint of light larger (british pint 568ml) is about 200-250 calories. Quite a big difference.
Also in the UK it's rare to find a 'lite' beer in any pub you woud want to be seen in. Just not common, much more likely to get a decent craft beer. (which would not be 130 kcal).
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SophieSmall95 wrote: »Heartisalonelyhunter wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Yeah.. It's suspicious that when you asked about diet mixers, the first two she listed were NOT diet.
I can absolutely taste the difference between sugar and any kind of artificial sweetener. Unfortunately I hate artificial sweeteners, so I drink my bourbon on the rocks. No chance of misunderstandings that way tho!
I unfortunately am not at all a fan of straight spirits.
Think I'm just going to go to wine instead now. At about 130 calories a glass it's less calories than what I used to drink which was pints of beer.
A pint of lite beer has about that amount of calories and lasts a lot longer than a glass of wine..
Are you talking about an american "pint" or a proper pint? A glass of wine is about 130 calories (130ml/ 5floz) whereas a pint of light larger (british pint 568ml) is about 200-250 calories. Quite a big difference.
Also in the UK it's rare to find a 'lite' beer in any pub you woud want to be seen in. Just not common, much more likely to get a decent craft beer. (which would not be 130 kcal).
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SophieSmall95 wrote: »Heartisalonelyhunter wrote: »SophieSmall95 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »Yeah.. It's suspicious that when you asked about diet mixers, the first two she listed were NOT diet.
I can absolutely taste the difference between sugar and any kind of artificial sweetener. Unfortunately I hate artificial sweeteners, so I drink my bourbon on the rocks. No chance of misunderstandings that way tho!
I unfortunately am not at all a fan of straight spirits.
Think I'm just going to go to wine instead now. At about 130 calories a glass it's less calories than what I used to drink which was pints of beer.
A pint of lite beer has about that amount of calories and lasts a lot longer than a glass of wine..
Are you talking about an american "pint" or a proper pint? A glass of wine is about 130 calories (130ml/ 5floz) whereas a pint of light larger (british pint 568ml) is about 200-250 calories. Quite a big difference.
Also in the UK it's rare to find a 'lite' beer in any pub you woud want to be seen in. Just not common, much more likely to get a decent craft beer. (which would not be 130 kcal).
I was just in the UK and I drank pints of Bud Lite (sometimes Coors Lite) in almost every pub I went into (and I was in a lot of them). When I was younger you never saw those on draft but I guess they are catching on.
But yes, an English pint is 4oz more than an American pint. A half pint will still last you longer than a glass of wine (most pubs serve awful wine anyway)0 -
fWIW a diabetic probably should avoid the alcohol as it messes w/ the blood sugar to begin with. My dad was an alcoholic and being diagnosed was the best thing that could have happened as it forced him to stop drinking. He lived another 10 years before heart disease/lung cancer took him away.
But as to the OP - glad you figured out what was wrong with your CICO numbers. Frustrating to find out you've been mislead, but hopefully a relief to have a logical answer.
And yes, when you're petite and/or have a low TDEE an extra 600 calories 1-2 times week can totally derail one's weight loss efforts.0 -
SophieSmall95 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »You could bring your own Diet Coke.
You can get kicked out of a pub for stuff like that. You're not supposed to bring in your own stuff.
What if you spoke to the owner, said the staff had been telling you they been serving you diet when in fact they had not, and asked if you could bring in your own diet for them to use?0 -
SophieSmall95 wrote: »enterdanger wrote: »Drink Guinness. It's only like 120 calories and has the added benefit of filing you up.... Unless you are scared of some nonsensical fizzy reaction. Lol. I almost peed my pants when I saw that.
Guinness is 210 not 120 calorie per pint, not much less than a larger (Which I prefer). Really not a fan of Guinness at all.
Ah, we must have smaller servings here. A 12 oz Guinness is 125. I just looked it up. Still, a pint is 16oz, right? Wouldn't that be 166 calories?
Edited... I just saw that in England a pint is 20 oz. Well..that does make a difference. Good thing is you'd be so full you'd probably only drink 1. Although, I'd pick a different stout. I like Guinness ok, but there are much better stouts out there and all of them are pretty light. I like lager too...but more calories.0
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