"Drink Shakeology because protein turns to fat"

Amarolda1122

Shakeology is just a new relacement and an expensive one I have used it it's okay I prefer pea protein now it's much easier to digest and has a higher protein amount ... even switched my almond milk for pea milk

concordancia

So, I should use these particular protein shakes because protein is bad for me?

CharlieBeansmomTracey

I dont drink shakeology as its overprice MLM bs. but I drink and eat a lot of protein and hmmm hasnt turned to fat yet. been doing it 5 years. ANYTHING turns to fat if you are in a calorie surplus.

johnslater461

Angel49kitty wrote: »

usmcmp wrote: »

The first study admits that the increase in potential health issues is more likely from red meat intake and that eating higher than the RDA intake of protein not from red meat is "possibly" an issue that they don't have proof for, but only definitely an issue if you have a medical condition. Still doesn't have anything to do with storing protein as fat.

Second one has nothing at all to do with protein intake beyond the fact that they had a lower drop out rate for the high protein intake group. Had nothing at all to do with storing protein as fat.

Third one states, "when energy demand is low, excess protein can be converted to glucose" (glucose isn't fat, it's sugar). If you read it they talk about all the positive reasons for eating a high protein diet. They also talk about the kidney issue and how it has more to due with the possible build up of acids, but if you eat fruits and vegetables they act as an acid buffer to negate possible harmful effects. No statements about excess protein turning into fat.

Well, I feel silly, I clearly remembered them incorrectly. My sincerest apologies! Thanks for taking the time to double-check with me (without calling me a liar or an idiot, as the majority of the internet would have).

Wait a minute.

Did I honestly just see someone on MFP admit that they were wrong after being presented with evidence that contradicted their original statement?



(Checks news to see if world peace broke out)

AnvilHead

Since nobody has shared it yet, here's a relevant excerpt from Lyle's "How We Get Fat" article, which was linked in the first reply:

Protein isn’t going to be converted to and stored as fat. But eat excess protein and the body will burn more protein for energy (and less carbs and fat). Which means that the other nutrients have to get stored. Which means that excess protein can still make you fat, just not by direct conversion. Rather, it does it by ensuring that the fat you’re eating gets stored.

Of course protein also has the highest thermic effect, more of the incoming calories are burned off. So excess protein tends to have the least odds of making you fat under any conditions; but excess protein can make you fat. Just not by direct conversion to fat; rather it’s indirectly by decreasing the oxidation of other nutrients.

Ok, is the above clear enough? Because I can’t really explain it any simpler but will try one last time using bullet points and an example. Let’s assume someone is eating at exactly maintenance calories. Neither gaining nor losing fat. Here’s what happens with excess calories. Assume that all three conditions represent identical increases in caloric intake, just from each of the different macros. Here’s what happens mechanistically and why all three still make you fat:

Excess dietary fat is directly stored as fat
Excess dietary carbs increases carb oxidation, impairing fat oxidation; more of your daily fat intake is stored as fat
Excess dietary protein increases protein oxidation, impairing fat oxidation; more of your daily fat intake is stored as fat

Got it? All three situations make you fat, just through different mechanisms. Fat is directly stored and carbs and protein cause you to store the fat you’re eating by decreasing fat oxidation.

And I’d note again, since someone will invariably misread this that that doesn’t mean that a low-carb and/or low-protein diet is therefore superior for fat loss. I’m not saying that and don’t think that I am. Because in such a situation, while you may be burning more fat, you’re also eating more dietary fat. So net fat balance can be unchanged despite the dicking around with macronutrient content. It still comes down to the deficit.

BrunetteRunner87

So take the Shakeology aspect out of it... Say I burn 1700 calories in one day, and I eat 1700 calories, exactly. What if I sit down and eat 40 grams of protein in one sitting during that day? Those calories will be burned, but will eating all that protein at one time be a waste of the benefit? Should I spread it out more?

Aaron_K123

OP your first intuition was correct that anything will lead to accumulation of fat of you are in caloric surplus and a caloric deficit will result in a loss of fat regardless of the macro composition. So your Shakeology friends belief amounts to Woo.

Sure, protein can be metabolically converted to fat but fat will be utilized for energy if you are in a caloric deficit...so who cares. If for some reason protein was turned into fat more than other macros then having more protein while in caloric deficit would actually be good for fat loss since any metabolic conversion would not be 100% efficient and so energy would be lost in the conversion.

What I mean by that is this. Pretend you eat 1000 calories of protein and it all gets metabolically converted to fat but the process of conversion is 90% efficient so you end up with 900 calories worth of fat. But you are in caloric deficit so your body then needs to use that fat and the fact it was first converted from protein would mean overall you would end up having to use more fat to make yo p for the efficiency loss from conversion.

I mean that isn't what is going to happen, your body isn't going to convert protein to fat while in caloric deficit but even if for some reason it did that would actually have the opposite effect of what Shakeology friend is claiming.

AnvilHead

BrunetteRunner87 wrote: »

So take the Shakeology aspect out of it... Say I burn 1700 calories in one day, and I eat 1700 calories, exactly. What if I sit down and eat 40 grams of protein in one sitting during that day? Those calories will be burned, but will eating all that protein at one time be a waste of the benefit? Should I spread it out more?

From Alan Aragon: https://atlargenutrition.com/is-there-a-limit-to-how-much-protein-the-body-can-use-in-a-single-meal/

From Examine.com: https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-can-i-eat-in-one-sitting/

hesn92

Shakeology is still a thing?

CharlieBeansmomTracey

hesn92 wrote: »

Shakeology is still a thing?

I guess for those who cant let go lol