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Intermittent fasting- just an acceptable way of starving yourself?
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LiftHeavyThings27105 wrote: »So, if I might jump in......not to add to the discussion necesarrily, but to provide my definition of what IF is....
I look at IF as a schedule for eating. Plain and simple. There is an X Hour window in which I do not eat and there is an X Hour window in which I do eat. Pretty basic. Not sexy. Not gonna sell 1,000,000 books. But it is that simple (it just never seems to be easy).
I was - as in, past tense - following the 16:8 cycle. So, my "DO NOT EAT" window was 16 hours and my "EAT EAT EAT" window was for eight hours.
Please notice that I am not mentioning anything about skipping meals....I am not mentioning anything about more calories consumed or fewer calories consumed.
It (IF) is simply the light switch (if you will).....I do consume my calories - whatever they might be for this day | week | month - within these eight hours.
I am not super smart so I try to K.I.S.S (keep it simple, stupid) at all times and I do not think that there is anything more to IF than a schedule (or, to repeat the analogy that I used, the "light switch"). To this simple dude, pretty simple.
Now, are there health benefits to IF?
Possibly. And that is - at least to this simple dude - what the discussion is (mostly). Lots of smart people in here....I love just shutting up and listening.
It appears there is some benefit in isocaloric diets using IF for those with insulin resistance. It appears to improve that without weight loss.
ETA
https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(18)30253-5
Early Time-Restricted Feeding Improves Insulin Sensitivity, Blood Pressure, and Oxidative Stress Even without Weight Loss in Men with Prediabetes
Summary
Intermittent fasting (IF) improves cardiometabolic health; however, it is unknown whether these effects are due solely to weight loss. We conducted the first supervised controlled feeding trial to test whether IF has benefits independent of weight loss by feeding participants enough food to maintain their weight. Our proof-of-concept study also constitutes the first trial of early time-restricted feeding (eTRF), a form of IF that involves eating early in the day to be in alignment with circadian rhythms in metabolism. Men with prediabetes were randomized to eTRF (6-hr feeding period, with dinner before 3 p.m.) or a control schedule (12-hr feeding period) for 5 weeks and later crossed over to the other schedule. eTRF improved insulin sensitivity, β cell responsiveness, blood pressure, oxidative stress, and appetite. We demonstrate for the first time in humans that eTRF improves some aspects of cardiometabolic health and that IF’s effects are not solely due to weight loss.
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LiftHeavyThings27105 wrote: »So, if I might jump in......not to add to the discussion necesarrily, but to provide my definition of what IF is....
I look at IF as a schedule for eating. Plain and simple. There is an X Hour window in which I do not eat and there is an X Hour window in which I do eat. Pretty basic. Not sexy. Not gonna sell 1,000,000 books. But it is that simple (it just never seems to be easy).
I was - as in, past tense - following the 16:8 cycle. So, my "DO NOT EAT" window was 16 hours and my "EAT EAT EAT" window was for eight hours.
Please notice that I am not mentioning anything about skipping meals....I am not mentioning anything about more calories consumed or fewer calories consumed.
It (IF) is simply the light switch (if you will).....I do consume my calories - whatever they might be for this day | week | month - within these eight hours.
I am not super smart so I try to K.I.S.S (keep it simple, stupid) at all times and I do not think that there is anything more to IF than a schedule (or, to repeat the analogy that I used, the "light switch"). To this simple dude, pretty simple.
Now, are there health benefits to IF?
Possibly. And that is - at least to this simple dude - what the discussion is (mostly). Lots of smart people in here....I love just shutting up and listening.
It appears there is some benefit in isocaloric diets using IF for those with insulin resistance. It appears to improve that without weight loss.
ETA
https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(18)30253-5
Early Time-Restricted Feeding Improves Insulin Sensitivity, Blood Pressure, and Oxidative Stress Even without Weight Loss in Men with Prediabetes
Summary
Intermittent fasting (IF) improves cardiometabolic health; however, it is unknown whether these effects are due solely to weight loss. We conducted the first supervised controlled feeding trial to test whether IF has benefits independent of weight loss by feeding participants enough food to maintain their weight. Our proof-of-concept study also constitutes the first trial of early time-restricted feeding (eTRF), a form of IF that involves eating early in the day to be in alignment with circadian rhythms in metabolism. Men with prediabetes were randomized to eTRF (6-hr feeding period, with dinner before 3 p.m.) or a control schedule (12-hr feeding period) for 5 weeks and later crossed over to the other schedule. eTRF improved insulin sensitivity, β cell responsiveness, blood pressure, oxidative stress, and appetite. We demonstrate for the first time in humans that eTRF improves some aspects of cardiometabolic health and that IF’s effects are not solely due to weight loss.
This is interesting info and concurs with some other things I've read. My one concern about when someone posts about how something like IF or Keto can help with IR and BG in the absence of weight loss is that most folks who are IR or have BG issues are overweight and that is what caused their IR or BG issues. I'm afraid some will see it as a license to not address the causal health concern and attempt to just treat the symptom with keto/ low carb and IF.
I realize that you are one of the exception that developed IR, i think it was from previous posts, while being at a healthy body weight. And for people like you, these tools can be life altering if not life saving. I realize you are not responsible for the choices of overweight people that may choose to view these tools as magic pills. But, I sure would like to see a disclaimer of sorts that says something along the lines of, "these techniques should be used in conjunction with weight loss for those that are overweight." Just a thought.
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Please post you proof source for this statement.GaleHawkins wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »This part too - " If you don’t eat for 10–16 hours, your body will go to its fat stores for energy, and fatty acids called ketones will be released into the bloodstream."
That sounds as if to say if you weren't fasting, your body wouldn't be using those fat store - which is false considering how much of the day no matter what diet is spent using fat stores as main energy source.
And then who has tested going into ketosis that fast - or is this a reference to perhaps the quantity increased over the amount normally found in blood anyway. Same way people have misunderstanding about lactic acid in blood (already there) but thinking it's only released during hard workouts causing the "burn".
Some decent comments in there - but some are clearly related to the losing of fat as a cause (like insulin sensitivity).
There is also logic. IF means not eating an extra 2-4 hours, typically. Do all the miracles happen and your whole body changes the way it works when you spend an extra couple of hours not eating?
I think you are on to something. It sees to be living mainly on ketones is where a lot of health recovery may begin. Of course an obese person losing weight is positive I think most will agree but just losing weight does not mean one has moved over to burning mainly ketones instead of the more highly inflammatory glucose.
It seems medically speaking a person living mainly in a state of nutritional ketosis can expect to avoid developing Type 2 diabetes for example.
If you want to call anything a miracle perhaps is lies in the difference between burning glucose or ketones as our main fuel source.
Other than it being common knowledge in healthcare what proved it true in my case was within 30 days after breaking my carb addiction then not eating any food/drink containing added sugar and or any form of any grain since back in Oct 2014 my high pain levels of 40 years had dropped greatly but I had not lost even one pound of weight.
While I am in a state of Nutritional Ketosis most of the time my daily Way Of Eating is known by many as Low Carb High Fat. While I do not track what I eat now I eat about 50 grams of carbs most days. Actually just Low Carb is typically considered to be fewer than 150 grams of carbs daily.
Now at the age of 67 my general health and health markers are better than 30 years ago pull some joints fused from the Ankylosing Spondylitis are starting to move a bit from time to time and pain levels are the lowest in 40 years. My worst pain over the years has come from muscle spasms after joints started fusing themselves.
Below is just shotgun approach to your question permitting you to head off in about any direction of current interest.
https://google.com/search?q=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&oq=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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GaleHawkins wrote: »
Please post you proof source for this statement.GaleHawkins wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »This part too - " If you don’t eat for 10–16 hours, your body will go to its fat stores for energy, and fatty acids called ketones will be released into the bloodstream."
That sounds as if to say if you weren't fasting, your body wouldn't be using those fat store - which is false considering how much of the day no matter what diet is spent using fat stores as main energy source.
And then who has tested going into ketosis that fast - or is this a reference to perhaps the quantity increased over the amount normally found in blood anyway. Same way people have misunderstanding about lactic acid in blood (already there) but thinking it's only released during hard workouts causing the "burn".
Some decent comments in there - but some are clearly related to the losing of fat as a cause (like insulin sensitivity).
There is also logic. IF means not eating an extra 2-4 hours, typically. Do all the miracles happen and your whole body changes the way it works when you spend an extra couple of hours not eating?
I think you are on to something. It sees to be living mainly on ketones is where a lot of health recovery may begin. Of course an obese person losing weight is positive I think most will agree but just losing weight does not mean one has moved over to burning mainly ketones instead of the more highly inflammatory glucose.
It seems medically speaking a person living mainly in a state of nutritional ketosis can expect to avoid developing Type 2 diabetes for example.
If you want to call anything a miracle perhaps is lies in the difference between burning glucose or ketones as our main fuel source.
Other than it being common knowledge in healthcare what proved it true in my case was within 30 days after breaking my carb addiction then not eating any food/drink containing added sugar and or any form of any grain since back in Oct 2014 my high pain levels of 40 years had dropped greatly but I had not lost even one pound of weight.
While I am in a state of Nutritional Ketosis most of the time my daily Way Of Eating is known by many as Low Carb High Fat. While I do not track what I eat now I eat about 50 grams of carbs most days. Actually just Low Carb is typically considered to be fewer than 150 grams of carbs daily.
Now at the age of 67 my general health and health markers are better than 30 years ago pull some joints fused from the Ankylosing Spondylitis are starting to move a bit from time to time and pain levels are the lowest in 40 years. My worst pain over the years has come from muscle spasms after joints started fusing themselves.
Below is just shotgun approach to your question permitting you to head off in about any direction of current interest.
https://google.com/search?q=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&oq=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Haven't read the link yet but will. Just to be clear, it is not common knowledge in Healthcare that sugar is inflammatory. That is just plain nonsense. It's all about context and dose.11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
Please post you proof source for this statement.GaleHawkins wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »This part too - " If you don’t eat for 10–16 hours, your body will go to its fat stores for energy, and fatty acids called ketones will be released into the bloodstream."
That sounds as if to say if you weren't fasting, your body wouldn't be using those fat store - which is false considering how much of the day no matter what diet is spent using fat stores as main energy source.
And then who has tested going into ketosis that fast - or is this a reference to perhaps the quantity increased over the amount normally found in blood anyway. Same way people have misunderstanding about lactic acid in blood (already there) but thinking it's only released during hard workouts causing the "burn".
Some decent comments in there - but some are clearly related to the losing of fat as a cause (like insulin sensitivity).
There is also logic. IF means not eating an extra 2-4 hours, typically. Do all the miracles happen and your whole body changes the way it works when you spend an extra couple of hours not eating?
I think you are on to something. It sees to be living mainly on ketones is where a lot of health recovery may begin. Of course an obese person losing weight is positive I think most will agree but just losing weight does not mean one has moved over to burning mainly ketones instead of the more highly inflammatory glucose.
It seems medically speaking a person living mainly in a state of nutritional ketosis can expect to avoid developing Type 2 diabetes for example.
If you want to call anything a miracle perhaps is lies in the difference between burning glucose or ketones as our main fuel source.
Other than it being common knowledge in healthcare what proved it true in my case was within 30 days after breaking my carb addiction then not eating any food/drink containing added sugar and or any form of any grain since back in Oct 2014 my high pain levels of 40 years had dropped greatly but I had not lost even one pound of weight.
While I am in a state of Nutritional Ketosis most of the time my daily Way Of Eating is known by many as Low Carb High Fat. While I do not track what I eat now I eat about 50 grams of carbs most days. Actually just Low Carb is typically considered to be fewer than 150 grams of carbs daily.
Now at the age of 67 my general health and health markers are better than 30 years ago pull some joints fused from the Ankylosing Spondylitis are starting to move a bit from time to time and pain levels are the lowest in 40 years. My worst pain over the years has come from muscle spasms after joints started fusing themselves.
Below is just shotgun approach to your question permitting you to head off in about any direction of current interest.
https://google.com/search?q=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&oq=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Haven't read the link yet but will. Just to be clear, it is not common knowledge in Healthcare that sugar is inflammatory. That is just plain nonsense. It's all about context and dose.
I should have those in healthcare that I am around most days are very aware that sugar is inflammatory and they work to communicate that to others. It and other similar type carbs are major factors to developing Type 2 Diabetes for example.16 -
if sugar is inflammatory then why hasnt it caused me issues with my RA?11
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »if sugar is inflammatory then why hasnt it caused me issues with my RA?
Because it isn't, despite what someone who fancies himself an excellent researcher might claim.16 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »if sugar is inflammatory then why hasnt it caused me issues with my RA?
Because it isn't, despite what someone who fancies himself an excellent researcher might claim.
that was my point.that it hasnt made any difference in my RA compared to when I cut my processed/refined sugars11 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »if sugar is inflammatory then why hasnt it caused me issues with my RA?
Because it isn't, despite what someone who fancies himself an excellent researcher might claim.
that was my point.that it hasnt made any difference in my RA compared to when I cut my processed/refined sugars
I understood what you meant, and I'm in complete agreement. Sorry if it wasn't clear in my post.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
Please post you proof source for this statement.GaleHawkins wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »This part too - " If you don’t eat for 10–16 hours, your body will go to its fat stores for energy, and fatty acids called ketones will be released into the bloodstream."
That sounds as if to say if you weren't fasting, your body wouldn't be using those fat store - which is false considering how much of the day no matter what diet is spent using fat stores as main energy source.
And then who has tested going into ketosis that fast - or is this a reference to perhaps the quantity increased over the amount normally found in blood anyway. Same way people have misunderstanding about lactic acid in blood (already there) but thinking it's only released during hard workouts causing the "burn".
Some decent comments in there - but some are clearly related to the losing of fat as a cause (like insulin sensitivity).
There is also logic. IF means not eating an extra 2-4 hours, typically. Do all the miracles happen and your whole body changes the way it works when you spend an extra couple of hours not eating?
I think you are on to something. It sees to be living mainly on ketones is where a lot of health recovery may begin. Of course an obese person losing weight is positive I think most will agree but just losing weight does not mean one has moved over to burning mainly ketones instead of the more highly inflammatory glucose.
It seems medically speaking a person living mainly in a state of nutritional ketosis can expect to avoid developing Type 2 diabetes for example.
If you want to call anything a miracle perhaps is lies in the difference between burning glucose or ketones as our main fuel source.
Other than it being common knowledge in healthcare what proved it true in my case was within 30 days after breaking my carb addiction then not eating any food/drink containing added sugar and or any form of any grain since back in Oct 2014 my high pain levels of 40 years had dropped greatly but I had not lost even one pound of weight.
While I am in a state of Nutritional Ketosis most of the time my daily Way Of Eating is known by many as Low Carb High Fat. While I do not track what I eat now I eat about 50 grams of carbs most days. Actually just Low Carb is typically considered to be fewer than 150 grams of carbs daily.
Now at the age of 67 my general health and health markers are better than 30 years ago pull some joints fused from the Ankylosing Spondylitis are starting to move a bit from time to time and pain levels are the lowest in 40 years. My worst pain over the years has come from muscle spasms after joints started fusing themselves.
Below is just shotgun approach to your question permitting you to head off in about any direction of current interest.
https://google.com/search?q=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&oq=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Haven't read the link yet but will. Just to be clear, it is not common knowledge in Healthcare that sugar is inflammatory. That is just plain nonsense. It's all about context and dose.
I should have those in healthcare that I am around most days are very aware that sugar is inflammatory and they work to communicate that to others. It and other similar type carbs are major factors to developing Type 2 Diabetes for example.
Dude, this is totally off the rails. This is complete nonsense. Who cares who those in healthcare you are around every day. And that other carbs are also inflammatory?? You do realize that carbs are one of the best sources of micro nutrient right?? Blackberries, sweet potatoes, greens, I could go on and on...... all great sources of micronutrients and antioxidants.
Inflammatory? That would be a great big NOPE! And the biggest single factor in T2D in being overweight. Not eating carbs. Just total nonsense. I don't know where you come up with this stuff.15 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
Please post you proof source for this statement.GaleHawkins wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »This part too - " If you don’t eat for 10–16 hours, your body will go to its fat stores for energy, and fatty acids called ketones will be released into the bloodstream."
That sounds as if to say if you weren't fasting, your body wouldn't be using those fat store - which is false considering how much of the day no matter what diet is spent using fat stores as main energy source.
And then who has tested going into ketosis that fast - or is this a reference to perhaps the quantity increased over the amount normally found in blood anyway. Same way people have misunderstanding about lactic acid in blood (already there) but thinking it's only released during hard workouts causing the "burn".
Some decent comments in there - but some are clearly related to the losing of fat as a cause (like insulin sensitivity).
There is also logic. IF means not eating an extra 2-4 hours, typically. Do all the miracles happen and your whole body changes the way it works when you spend an extra couple of hours not eating?
I think you are on to something. It sees to be living mainly on ketones is where a lot of health recovery may begin. Of course an obese person losing weight is positive I think most will agree but just losing weight does not mean one has moved over to burning mainly ketones instead of the more highly inflammatory glucose.
It seems medically speaking a person living mainly in a state of nutritional ketosis can expect to avoid developing Type 2 diabetes for example.
If you want to call anything a miracle perhaps is lies in the difference between burning glucose or ketones as our main fuel source.
Other than it being common knowledge in healthcare what proved it true in my case was within 30 days after breaking my carb addiction then not eating any food/drink containing added sugar and or any form of any grain since back in Oct 2014 my high pain levels of 40 years had dropped greatly but I had not lost even one pound of weight.
While I am in a state of Nutritional Ketosis most of the time my daily Way Of Eating is known by many as Low Carb High Fat. While I do not track what I eat now I eat about 50 grams of carbs most days. Actually just Low Carb is typically considered to be fewer than 150 grams of carbs daily.
Now at the age of 67 my general health and health markers are better than 30 years ago pull some joints fused from the Ankylosing Spondylitis are starting to move a bit from time to time and pain levels are the lowest in 40 years. My worst pain over the years has come from muscle spasms after joints started fusing themselves.
Below is just shotgun approach to your question permitting you to head off in about any direction of current interest.
https://google.com/search?q=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&oq=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I went to these links. What a bunch of woo and propaganda. Didn't see a single peer reviewed study or meta analysis in the bunch. Just a bunch of woo and nonsense.10 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
Please post you proof source for this statement.GaleHawkins wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »This part too - " If you don’t eat for 10–16 hours, your body will go to its fat stores for energy, and fatty acids called ketones will be released into the bloodstream."
That sounds as if to say if you weren't fasting, your body wouldn't be using those fat store - which is false considering how much of the day no matter what diet is spent using fat stores as main energy source.
And then who has tested going into ketosis that fast - or is this a reference to perhaps the quantity increased over the amount normally found in blood anyway. Same way people have misunderstanding about lactic acid in blood (already there) but thinking it's only released during hard workouts causing the "burn".
Some decent comments in there - but some are clearly related to the losing of fat as a cause (like insulin sensitivity).
There is also logic. IF means not eating an extra 2-4 hours, typically. Do all the miracles happen and your whole body changes the way it works when you spend an extra couple of hours not eating?
I think you are on to something. It sees to be living mainly on ketones is where a lot of health recovery may begin. Of course an obese person losing weight is positive I think most will agree but just losing weight does not mean one has moved over to burning mainly ketones instead of the more highly inflammatory glucose.
It seems medically speaking a person living mainly in a state of nutritional ketosis can expect to avoid developing Type 2 diabetes for example.
If you want to call anything a miracle perhaps is lies in the difference between burning glucose or ketones as our main fuel source.
Other than it being common knowledge in healthcare what proved it true in my case was within 30 days after breaking my carb addiction then not eating any food/drink containing added sugar and or any form of any grain since back in Oct 2014 my high pain levels of 40 years had dropped greatly but I had not lost even one pound of weight.
While I am in a state of Nutritional Ketosis most of the time my daily Way Of Eating is known by many as Low Carb High Fat. While I do not track what I eat now I eat about 50 grams of carbs most days. Actually just Low Carb is typically considered to be fewer than 150 grams of carbs daily.
Now at the age of 67 my general health and health markers are better than 30 years ago pull some joints fused from the Ankylosing Spondylitis are starting to move a bit from time to time and pain levels are the lowest in 40 years. My worst pain over the years has come from muscle spasms after joints started fusing themselves.
Below is just shotgun approach to your question permitting you to head off in about any direction of current interest.
https://google.com/search?q=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&oq=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I went to these links. What a bunch of woo and propaganda. Didn't see a single peer reviewed study or meta analysis in the bunch. Just a bunch of woo and nonsense.
Gale spreading nonsense yet again? Shocking.12 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »Here's an often cited link for those asking for citations or studies on the health benefit of IF...if you do a little research you will find the good and the bad of it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3680567/
16:8 is working for me better than anything else I have ever done before...but I know its not for anyone..dont just believe what I say, go and find out for yourself too...
An important part out of that piece:
"Intermittent fasting with compensatory overeating “did not improve mouse survival nor did it delay prostrate tumor growth,” the study concluded."
It's the weight loss that leads to health benefits, not the fasting itself.
Clearly its not your thing, but it is mine...
As you take that one piece out and point to it... of course overeating in between fasts will not have a benefit to anyone...
I have researched this at length and have a desire to go back to our ancestral ways of eating as my blood type is the oldest and body type is a meso/endomorph blend, all signs pointed to IF being a good thing for me...
Just sharing my experience I have an inflammatory autoimmune disorder and my symptoms are disappearing, my inflammation blood test markers (leukocytes and serum proteins) are dramatically down as well in one month's time...my face is less splotchy and rosacea acne is clearing up...I am not in a study, this is just what my Dr and I have discovered in my case...as no other method ever worked for healthy happy weight loss...he said why not try it? I literally have never stuck to a healthy lifestyle change for more than two weeks...16:8 CICO 20 lbs in a month (day 33 consistently)...I know it will not keep coming off like this but what a great start...my weekly calorie average has gone from 1900 to about 1600 net naturally without my even trying, I am just satisfied with less food and find cravings all but gone...I have never got told to eat more food EVER before like here on MFP!! I had a good laugh and some ice cream that day!! all Because of IF....there are so many more studies I could cite but I have said enough now and you are capable of doing your own research...
All of the best to you! Your picture shows you know what works for you very well...I cant wait to have one of those myself!! Be well!
It is very much my thing. I've been doing IF most of my life.
What is not my thing are unsubstantiated claims about health benefits when there are none.16 -
Oh God, I just now started reading the rest of your post. Eating to your blood type? Endomorphs? Please for the love of God, drop that woo.15
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
Please post you proof source for this statement.GaleHawkins wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »This part too - " If you don’t eat for 10–16 hours, your body will go to its fat stores for energy, and fatty acids called ketones will be released into the bloodstream."
That sounds as if to say if you weren't fasting, your body wouldn't be using those fat store - which is false considering how much of the day no matter what diet is spent using fat stores as main energy source.
And then who has tested going into ketosis that fast - or is this a reference to perhaps the quantity increased over the amount normally found in blood anyway. Same way people have misunderstanding about lactic acid in blood (already there) but thinking it's only released during hard workouts causing the "burn".
Some decent comments in there - but some are clearly related to the losing of fat as a cause (like insulin sensitivity).
There is also logic. IF means not eating an extra 2-4 hours, typically. Do all the miracles happen and your whole body changes the way it works when you spend an extra couple of hours not eating?
I think you are on to something. It sees to be living mainly on ketones is where a lot of health recovery may begin. Of course an obese person losing weight is positive I think most will agree but just losing weight does not mean one has moved over to burning mainly ketones instead of the more highly inflammatory glucose.
It seems medically speaking a person living mainly in a state of nutritional ketosis can expect to avoid developing Type 2 diabetes for example.
If you want to call anything a miracle perhaps is lies in the difference between burning glucose or ketones as our main fuel source.
Other than it being common knowledge in healthcare what proved it true in my case was within 30 days after breaking my carb addiction then not eating any food/drink containing added sugar and or any form of any grain since back in Oct 2014 my high pain levels of 40 years had dropped greatly but I had not lost even one pound of weight.
While I am in a state of Nutritional Ketosis most of the time my daily Way Of Eating is known by many as Low Carb High Fat. While I do not track what I eat now I eat about 50 grams of carbs most days. Actually just Low Carb is typically considered to be fewer than 150 grams of carbs daily.
Now at the age of 67 my general health and health markers are better than 30 years ago pull some joints fused from the Ankylosing Spondylitis are starting to move a bit from time to time and pain levels are the lowest in 40 years. My worst pain over the years has come from muscle spasms after joints started fusing themselves.
Below is just shotgun approach to your question permitting you to head off in about any direction of current interest.
https://google.com/search?q=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&oq=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Haven't read the link yet but will. Just to be clear, it is not common knowledge in Healthcare that sugar is inflammatory. That is just plain nonsense. It's all about context and dose.
I should have those in healthcare that I am around most days are very aware that sugar is inflammatory and they work to communicate that to others. It and other similar type carbs are major factors to developing Type 2 Diabetes for example.
Gale, you're wrong. Nothing more to say.13 -
stevencloser wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
Please post you proof source for this statement.GaleHawkins wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »This part too - " If you don’t eat for 10–16 hours, your body will go to its fat stores for energy, and fatty acids called ketones will be released into the bloodstream."
That sounds as if to say if you weren't fasting, your body wouldn't be using those fat store - which is false considering how much of the day no matter what diet is spent using fat stores as main energy source.
And then who has tested going into ketosis that fast - or is this a reference to perhaps the quantity increased over the amount normally found in blood anyway. Same way people have misunderstanding about lactic acid in blood (already there) but thinking it's only released during hard workouts causing the "burn".
Some decent comments in there - but some are clearly related to the losing of fat as a cause (like insulin sensitivity).
There is also logic. IF means not eating an extra 2-4 hours, typically. Do all the miracles happen and your whole body changes the way it works when you spend an extra couple of hours not eating?
I think you are on to something. It sees to be living mainly on ketones is where a lot of health recovery may begin. Of course an obese person losing weight is positive I think most will agree but just losing weight does not mean one has moved over to burning mainly ketones instead of the more highly inflammatory glucose.
It seems medically speaking a person living mainly in a state of nutritional ketosis can expect to avoid developing Type 2 diabetes for example.
If you want to call anything a miracle perhaps is lies in the difference between burning glucose or ketones as our main fuel source.
Other than it being common knowledge in healthcare what proved it true in my case was within 30 days after breaking my carb addiction then not eating any food/drink containing added sugar and or any form of any grain since back in Oct 2014 my high pain levels of 40 years had dropped greatly but I had not lost even one pound of weight.
While I am in a state of Nutritional Ketosis most of the time my daily Way Of Eating is known by many as Low Carb High Fat. While I do not track what I eat now I eat about 50 grams of carbs most days. Actually just Low Carb is typically considered to be fewer than 150 grams of carbs daily.
Now at the age of 67 my general health and health markers are better than 30 years ago pull some joints fused from the Ankylosing Spondylitis are starting to move a bit from time to time and pain levels are the lowest in 40 years. My worst pain over the years has come from muscle spasms after joints started fusing themselves.
Below is just shotgun approach to your question permitting you to head off in about any direction of current interest.
https://google.com/search?q=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&oq=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Haven't read the link yet but will. Just to be clear, it is not common knowledge in Healthcare that sugar is inflammatory. That is just plain nonsense. It's all about context and dose.
I should have those in healthcare that I am around most days are very aware that sugar is inflammatory and they work to communicate that to others. It and other similar type carbs are major factors to developing Type 2 Diabetes for example.
Gale, you're wrong. Nothing more to say.
Steve I do not think you know the ones that I am around so I see no validity in your post I just quoted.
You do agree without eating more than 50 grams of carbs daily that it is next to impossible of most anyone to become prediabetic and advance on to develop a full blown case of Type 2 Diabetes?
Now I am not saying all people have a real option to prevent/reverse Type 2 Diabetes because they may be in places where about all the food choices they are presented with are processed high carb high fat foods.
I am just saying without carbs the number of Type 2 Diabetes cases and their need for insulin would drop like a rock as well as diseases that are secondary to long term high glucose levels in the human body like cancer and heart disease. Anyone eating in a way that increases their level of internal inflammation is taking on extra damage to their longevity it seems.
Carbs can be a great source of energy and much of the world (including Blue Zones) live on high carbs.
A WOE of High Carbs and High Fat seems to be the worse comb for human health. The typical cookout with hamburgers and hot dogs gives one the chance to eat this HCHF combo as is true for much of the SAD WOE.19 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
Please post you proof source for this statement.GaleHawkins wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »This part too - " If you don’t eat for 10–16 hours, your body will go to its fat stores for energy, and fatty acids called ketones will be released into the bloodstream."
That sounds as if to say if you weren't fasting, your body wouldn't be using those fat store - which is false considering how much of the day no matter what diet is spent using fat stores as main energy source.
And then who has tested going into ketosis that fast - or is this a reference to perhaps the quantity increased over the amount normally found in blood anyway. Same way people have misunderstanding about lactic acid in blood (already there) but thinking it's only released during hard workouts causing the "burn".
Some decent comments in there - but some are clearly related to the losing of fat as a cause (like insulin sensitivity).
There is also logic. IF means not eating an extra 2-4 hours, typically. Do all the miracles happen and your whole body changes the way it works when you spend an extra couple of hours not eating?
I think you are on to something. It sees to be living mainly on ketones is where a lot of health recovery may begin. Of course an obese person losing weight is positive I think most will agree but just losing weight does not mean one has moved over to burning mainly ketones instead of the more highly inflammatory glucose.
It seems medically speaking a person living mainly in a state of nutritional ketosis can expect to avoid developing Type 2 diabetes for example.
If you want to call anything a miracle perhaps is lies in the difference between burning glucose or ketones as our main fuel source.
Other than it being common knowledge in healthcare what proved it true in my case was within 30 days after breaking my carb addiction then not eating any food/drink containing added sugar and or any form of any grain since back in Oct 2014 my high pain levels of 40 years had dropped greatly but I had not lost even one pound of weight.
While I am in a state of Nutritional Ketosis most of the time my daily Way Of Eating is known by many as Low Carb High Fat. While I do not track what I eat now I eat about 50 grams of carbs most days. Actually just Low Carb is typically considered to be fewer than 150 grams of carbs daily.
Now at the age of 67 my general health and health markers are better than 30 years ago pull some joints fused from the Ankylosing Spondylitis are starting to move a bit from time to time and pain levels are the lowest in 40 years. My worst pain over the years has come from muscle spasms after joints started fusing themselves.
Below is just shotgun approach to your question permitting you to head off in about any direction of current interest.
https://google.com/search?q=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&oq=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Haven't read the link yet but will. Just to be clear, it is not common knowledge in Healthcare that sugar is inflammatory. That is just plain nonsense. It's all about context and dose.
I should have those in healthcare that I am around most days are very aware that sugar is inflammatory and they work to communicate that to others. It and other similar type carbs are major factors to developing Type 2 Diabetes for example.
Sugar is not inflammatory.
Obesity causes inflammation, which leads to risk factors contributing to the increase of Type 2 Diabetes.
Sugar remains the culprit in some minds as sugar is high in calories. High calorie consumption leads to overeating. Overeating leads to obesity, which leads to inflammation.10 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
Please post you proof source for this statement.GaleHawkins wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »This part too - " If you don’t eat for 10–16 hours, your body will go to its fat stores for energy, and fatty acids called ketones will be released into the bloodstream."
That sounds as if to say if you weren't fasting, your body wouldn't be using those fat store - which is false considering how much of the day no matter what diet is spent using fat stores as main energy source.
And then who has tested going into ketosis that fast - or is this a reference to perhaps the quantity increased over the amount normally found in blood anyway. Same way people have misunderstanding about lactic acid in blood (already there) but thinking it's only released during hard workouts causing the "burn".
Some decent comments in there - but some are clearly related to the losing of fat as a cause (like insulin sensitivity).
There is also logic. IF means not eating an extra 2-4 hours, typically. Do all the miracles happen and your whole body changes the way it works when you spend an extra couple of hours not eating?
I think you are on to something. It sees to be living mainly on ketones is where a lot of health recovery may begin. Of course an obese person losing weight is positive I think most will agree but just losing weight does not mean one has moved over to burning mainly ketones instead of the more highly inflammatory glucose.
It seems medically speaking a person living mainly in a state of nutritional ketosis can expect to avoid developing Type 2 diabetes for example.
If you want to call anything a miracle perhaps is lies in the difference between burning glucose or ketones as our main fuel source.
Other than it being common knowledge in healthcare what proved it true in my case was within 30 days after breaking my carb addiction then not eating any food/drink containing added sugar and or any form of any grain since back in Oct 2014 my high pain levels of 40 years had dropped greatly but I had not lost even one pound of weight.
While I am in a state of Nutritional Ketosis most of the time my daily Way Of Eating is known by many as Low Carb High Fat. While I do not track what I eat now I eat about 50 grams of carbs most days. Actually just Low Carb is typically considered to be fewer than 150 grams of carbs daily.
Now at the age of 67 my general health and health markers are better than 30 years ago pull some joints fused from the Ankylosing Spondylitis are starting to move a bit from time to time and pain levels are the lowest in 40 years. My worst pain over the years has come from muscle spasms after joints started fusing themselves.
Below is just shotgun approach to your question permitting you to head off in about any direction of current interest.
https://google.com/search?q=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&oq=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Haven't read the link yet but will. Just to be clear, it is not common knowledge in Healthcare that sugar is inflammatory. That is just plain nonsense. It's all about context and dose.
I should have those in healthcare that I am around most days are very aware that sugar is inflammatory and they work to communicate that to others. It and other similar type carbs are major factors to developing Type 2 Diabetes for example.
Sugar is not inflammatory.
Obesity causes inflammation, which leads to risk factors contributing to the increase of Type 2 Diabetes.
Sugar remains the culprit in some minds as sugar is high in calories. High calorie consumption leads to overeating. Overeating leads to obesity, which leads to inflammation.
Thankfully science and my personal experience do not support your personal experience.19 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
Please post you proof source for this statement.GaleHawkins wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »This part too - " If you don’t eat for 10–16 hours, your body will go to its fat stores for energy, and fatty acids called ketones will be released into the bloodstream."
That sounds as if to say if you weren't fasting, your body wouldn't be using those fat store - which is false considering how much of the day no matter what diet is spent using fat stores as main energy source.
And then who has tested going into ketosis that fast - or is this a reference to perhaps the quantity increased over the amount normally found in blood anyway. Same way people have misunderstanding about lactic acid in blood (already there) but thinking it's only released during hard workouts causing the "burn".
Some decent comments in there - but some are clearly related to the losing of fat as a cause (like insulin sensitivity).
There is also logic. IF means not eating an extra 2-4 hours, typically. Do all the miracles happen and your whole body changes the way it works when you spend an extra couple of hours not eating?
I think you are on to something. It sees to be living mainly on ketones is where a lot of health recovery may begin. Of course an obese person losing weight is positive I think most will agree but just losing weight does not mean one has moved over to burning mainly ketones instead of the more highly inflammatory glucose.
It seems medically speaking a person living mainly in a state of nutritional ketosis can expect to avoid developing Type 2 diabetes for example.
If you want to call anything a miracle perhaps is lies in the difference between burning glucose or ketones as our main fuel source.
Other than it being common knowledge in healthcare what proved it true in my case was within 30 days after breaking my carb addiction then not eating any food/drink containing added sugar and or any form of any grain since back in Oct 2014 my high pain levels of 40 years had dropped greatly but I had not lost even one pound of weight.
While I am in a state of Nutritional Ketosis most of the time my daily Way Of Eating is known by many as Low Carb High Fat. While I do not track what I eat now I eat about 50 grams of carbs most days. Actually just Low Carb is typically considered to be fewer than 150 grams of carbs daily.
Now at the age of 67 my general health and health markers are better than 30 years ago pull some joints fused from the Ankylosing Spondylitis are starting to move a bit from time to time and pain levels are the lowest in 40 years. My worst pain over the years has come from muscle spasms after joints started fusing themselves.
Below is just shotgun approach to your question permitting you to head off in about any direction of current interest.
https://google.com/search?q=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&oq=to+burning+mainly+ketones+instead+of+the+more+highly+inflammatory+glucose&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Haven't read the link yet but will. Just to be clear, it is not common knowledge in Healthcare that sugar is inflammatory. That is just plain nonsense. It's all about context and dose.
I should have those in healthcare that I am around most days are very aware that sugar is inflammatory and they work to communicate that to others. It and other similar type carbs are major factors to developing Type 2 Diabetes for example.
Sugar is not inflammatory.
Obesity causes inflammation, which leads to risk factors contributing to the increase of Type 2 Diabetes.
Sugar remains the culprit in some minds as sugar is high in calories. High calorie consumption leads to overeating. Overeating leads to obesity, which leads to inflammation.
Thankfully science and my personal experience do not support your personal experience.
Science says no to everything that comes out of your mouth.
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/eating-with-diabetes/diabetes-food-myths/myth-sugar-causes-diabetes
"With Type 2 diabetes, though we know sugar doesn’t directly cause Type 2 diabetes, you are more likely to get it if you are overweight. You gain weight when you take in more calories than your body needs, and sugary foods and drinks contain a lot of calories."11
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