You cannot live the rest of your life in this body
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Packerjohn wrote: »At least I’m not the only one who sees the fallacy in this.
I assume you are talking about packerjohn's post?Packerjohn wrote: »If someone would gain a pound a week on 2,000 calories, and are limiting their intake to not gain or to lose, that would imply they needed 1,500 calories a day to maintain. There would be little room in that person's diet for what most people think of as dessert (cookies, brownies, ice cream, etc) and still get adequate nutrition.
I'd really like to get this conversation back on solid ground, so I'm really trying to understand here.
What, precisely, are you trying to argue for?
What, precisely, are you trying to argue against?
I still can't find anyone suggesting a dessert-only diet is a good idea. That aside, it seems like packerjohn was implying that getting adequate nutrition on a restricted intake is (can be?) difficult... and so using some of your limited calories on cookies, brownies, ice cream, etc, would only make that more difficult.
Is that the core issue here?
The bolded would be my point. Sincerely interested in how people do it. Preferably with food logs
Yep, I felt like your point/question was very reasonable. I have no idea what "reasonable/adequate nutrition" looks like, so I can't comment on how easy or difficult it is on a restricted diet. However... Given how much harder it is to manage macros (i.e. meet minimum needs) on a restricted intake, I can safely assume it would be similarly difficult to meet minimum micro needs, too. But I have no context for how much food it takes to do so. Macros, yes. Micros, no.0 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »so are you selling brain transplants?
Nevermind. I was just having feelings tonight and it struck a chord, so I thought I'd share. Sorry. Asking for deletion rather than be mocked.
Sorry you feel that way. Maybe if you used the first person ("I can't live the rest of my life in this body") you would have gotten a better reaction. Because if you feel mocked by a joke, the rest of us can feel berated and body shamed by a thread title.
This. The amount of body shaming is ridiculous in that post.
That is not body shaming. People seriously need to re-evaluate things. This post calls attention to a huge problem in America. America has an obesity problem. That’s factual and I think a lot of it is because people don’t have the proper education about health and fitness
We don't have proper education with nutrition. In health class teachers would say based on a 2000 calorie diet blah blah blah. Eat a colorful plate,avoid too much sugar, move more. Okay sound advice but never were we taught how to implement a correct diet and exercise regimen. Then we are bombarded with fast and convenient food.
But you then opt for the fast and convenient food instead of that colorful plate, avoiding excess calories and sugar, and moving more.
That's your choice. Not all of us made that bad choice.
Not the point.
What? That you got the education and you decided to make decisions against it anyway?4 -
collectingblues wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »so are you selling brain transplants?
Nevermind. I was just having feelings tonight and it struck a chord, so I thought I'd share. Sorry. Asking for deletion rather than be mocked.
Sorry you feel that way. Maybe if you used the first person ("I can't live the rest of my life in this body") you would have gotten a better reaction. Because if you feel mocked by a joke, the rest of us can feel berated and body shamed by a thread title.
This. The amount of body shaming is ridiculous in that post.
That is not body shaming. People seriously need to re-evaluate things. This post calls attention to a huge problem in America. America has an obesity problem. That’s factual and I think a lot of it is because people don’t have the proper education about health and fitness
We don't have proper education with nutrition. In health class teachers would say based on a 2000 calorie diet blah blah blah. Eat a colorful plate,avoid too much sugar, move more. Okay sound advice but never were we taught how to implement a correct diet and exercise regimen. Then we are bombarded with fast and convenient food.
But you then opt for the fast and convenient food instead of that colorful plate, avoiding excess calories and sugar, and moving more.
That's your choice. Not all of us made that bad choice.
Not the point.
What? That you got the education and you decided to make decisions against it anyway?
It wasn't really educational. It was vague advice with no way to implement it. Wtf does eat a colorful plate even mean. It could be all fruit and no vegetables. Also, not everyone needs 2000 calories so many people gain weight because it's too much for them. Especially short people who sit around all day. At one point in my life I was trying my best to eat 2000 calories and I gained. So no it wasn't good education.4 -
The problem here is that people get on here acting like they know what they are talking about when they clearly don’t and then when you correct them they get offended15
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jefamer2017 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »so are you selling brain transplants?
Nevermind. I was just having feelings tonight and it struck a chord, so I thought I'd share. Sorry. Asking for deletion rather than be mocked.
Sorry you feel that way. Maybe if you used the first person ("I can't live the rest of my life in this body") you would have gotten a better reaction. Because if you feel mocked by a joke, the rest of us can feel berated and body shamed by a thread title.
This. The amount of body shaming is ridiculous in that post.
That is not body shaming. People seriously need to re-evaluate things. This post calls attention to a huge problem in America. America has an obesity problem. That’s factual and I think a lot of it is because people don’t have the proper education about health and fitness
We don't have proper education with nutrition. In health class teachers would say based on a 2000 calorie diet blah blah blah. Eat a colorful plate,avoid too much sugar, move more. Okay sound advice but never were we taught how to implement a correct diet and exercise regimen. Then we are bombarded with fast and convenient food.
But you then opt for the fast and convenient food instead of that colorful plate, avoiding excess calories and sugar, and moving more.
That's your choice. Not all of us made that bad choice.
Not the point.
What? That you got the education and you decided to make decisions against it anyway?
It wasn't really educational. It was vague advice with no way to implement it. Wtf does eat a colorful plate even mean. It could be all fruit and no vegetables. Also, not everyone needs 2000 calories so many people gain weight because it's too much for them. Especially short people who sit around all day. At one point in my life I was trying my best to eat 2000 calories and I gained. So no it wasn't good education.
Where do you draw the line? If you want it spelled out in totality, then you get a degree in a relevant field, no? So where is the happy medium that a high schooler (or grade school kid) would understand, pay attention to, and benefit from?
You can't be taught everything to an umtheeth degree. At some point, you can only be introduced to a topic, then it's up to you to either pursue additional education/knowledge, or go with what you've got.8 -
The problem here is that people get on here acting like they know what they are talking about when they clearly don’t and then when you correct them they get offended
Frustrated, or offended?
I was frustrated because I couldn't piece together whatever it was that you were arguing, which is why I asked for clarification. I certainly wasn't offended.
And for the record, I'm well aware that I don't know everything, and I'm pretty eager to learn. But what I do know I believe for a reason, and it's going to take more than some kid on website saying, "because of my physique" to change my mind.7 -
The problem here is that people get on here acting like they know what they are talking about when they clearly don’t and then when you correct them they get offended
Frustrated, or offended?
I was frustrated because I couldn't piece together whatever it was that you were arguing, which is why I asked for clarification. I certainly wasn't offended.
And for the record, I'm well aware that I don't know everything, and I'm pretty eager to learn. But what I do know I believe for a reason, and it's going to take more than some kid on website saying, "because of my physique" to change my mind.
You’re entitled to your own opinion. That’s fine, but that doesn’t mean you can discredit me when you just admitted you don’t even know what’s going on. Sure I’m young, but I also play soccer for a big university in my state. I know a good bit about diet and exercise regardless of my youth.5 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »so are you selling brain transplants?
Nevermind. I was just having feelings tonight and it struck a chord, so I thought I'd share. Sorry. Asking for deletion rather than be mocked.
Sorry you feel that way. Maybe if you used the first person ("I can't live the rest of my life in this body") you would have gotten a better reaction. Because if you feel mocked by a joke, the rest of us can feel berated and body shamed by a thread title.
This. The amount of body shaming is ridiculous in that post.
That is not body shaming. People seriously need to re-evaluate things. This post calls attention to a huge problem in America. America has an obesity problem. That’s factual and I think a lot of it is because people don’t have the proper education about health and fitness
We don't have proper education with nutrition. In health class teachers would say based on a 2000 calorie diet blah blah blah. Eat a colorful plate,avoid too much sugar, move more. Okay sound advice but never were we taught how to implement a correct diet and exercise regimen. Then we are bombarded with fast and convenient food.
But you then opt for the fast and convenient food instead of that colorful plate, avoiding excess calories and sugar, and moving more.
That's your choice. Not all of us made that bad choice.
Not the point.
What? That you got the education and you decided to make decisions against it anyway?
It wasn't really educational. It was vague advice with no way to implement it. Wtf does eat a colorful plate even mean. It could be all fruit and no vegetables. Also, not everyone needs 2000 calories so many people gain weight because it's too much for them. Especially short people who sit around all day. At one point in my life I was trying my best to eat 2000 calories and I gained. So no it wasn't good education.
Yeah, it was definitely someone else's fault that I got fat, because they didn't teach me right.
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Lol woo all you want, but you see what my physique looks like. I didn’t get this body without some knowledge of diet and exercise. People just get upset bc they know they have to make changes in their diet and that makes them uncomfortable. I respect that but there comes a time when you have to be mature and accept facts.
Obviously, you did.
That’s actually quite rude. I seriously would love to see you follow my meal plan and exercise routine for a week. Or better yet, enlighten me on yours, can’t wait.3 -
You know what would be a really great place for the debate part of this thread - the part that has little or no direct relationship to the OP?
This thread over in Debate:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10348650/cico-still-skeptical-come-inside-for-a-meticulous-log-that-proves-it
That guy looks pretty good, too - and I'm old enough to be granny to either one of you, so it's an just an academic observation, not creepy, when I say that.
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Packerjohn wrote: »grayrhondak4575 wrote: »grayrhondak4575 wrote: »I get that OP was meant to inspire, but I'd rather have dessert and a shorter life than no dessert and a longer life. My life is miserable enough. I take whatever bit of happiness I can get. I'm physically in my best shape, but being able to run longer doesn't give me joy.
You can have dessert and still maintain health and fitness. I think the OP is saying foods like this shouldn’t be eaten everyday.
If someone is meeting all of their nutritional goals, why can’t those foods be eaten every day if they fit in my goal? Please explain.
ETA: fixed typos
I don’t see how eating desserts everyday would not make your sugar and grams of fat excessive. Maybe your calorie goal could be met, but at the end of the day eating 2000 calories of wholesome nutritious foods is better than 2000 calories of desserts
My calorie goal isn't 2000 and I am not eating 2000 calories of dessert every day or any day for that matter. I eat healthy for me and then have dessert if I feel like it. Why does everyone think that everybody can eat 2000 cals of anything and not gain weight? 2000 cals a day for me would have me gaining probably a pound a week.
If someone would gain a pound a week on 2,000 calories, and are limiting their intake to not gain or to lose, that would imply they needed 1,500 calories a day to maintain. There would be little room in that person's diet for what most people think of as dessert (cookies, brownies, ice cream, etc) and still get adequate nutrition.
It depends. When I first started losing, I had less than that and had excellent nutrition and still had room for a little fun sized candy bar or a cookie or two. It's about portion sizes and calories and how you're juggling them. All of my "desserts" at the time were less than 100 calories. I fail to see how someone can't get adequate nutrition on 1400 calories, because I know I did.2 -
Packerjohn wrote: »At least I’m not the only one who sees the fallacy in this.
I assume you are talking about packerjohn's post?Packerjohn wrote: »If someone would gain a pound a week on 2,000 calories, and are limiting their intake to not gain or to lose, that would imply they needed 1,500 calories a day to maintain. There would be little room in that person's diet for what most people think of as dessert (cookies, brownies, ice cream, etc) and still get adequate nutrition.
I'd really like to get this conversation back on solid ground, so I'm really trying to understand here.
What, precisely, are you trying to argue for?
What, precisely, are you trying to argue against?
I still can't find anyone suggesting a dessert-only diet is a good idea. That aside, it seems like packerjohn was implying that getting adequate nutrition on a restricted intake is (can be?) difficult... and so using some of your limited calories on cookies, brownies, ice cream, etc, would only make that more difficult.
Is that the core issue here?
The bolded would be my point. Sincerely interested in how people do it. Preferably with food logs
I'd show you my old account, but it's not active anymore. I can give you a rundown of a typical day, though:
Meal 1: Yogurt and berries with 10 grams of almonds
Meal 2: Cottage cheese and vegetables, usually something like zucchini and tomatoes
Meal 3: Something like lentil loaf (packed with veggies for volume) with a side of steamed broccoli
Dessert: Fun sized snickers bar3 -
OP here, coming back out of the shadows. I was trying to point out to myself the value of moderation. I have no intention of giving up pizza, cake, beer, or alcohol. But I'm also not happy eating -only- those things. I've been in one of those free-for-all cycles--last supper eating and all.
I need to get back to moderation. To even 2k calories a day instead of 3-4k. I've gained back 10 of the 30 I lost in the past year. I lost my job, had a big event, and I made excuses. I let it derail me. I stopped doing 10k steps a day. I let myself have that second--and third--cookie. I had that 5th beer. (And then a fourth cookie.)
I went off track, big time. I feel good when I eat whole foods. I also feel good when I eat chocolate and drink beer. Nothing has to be off limits. But we all know when we've lost control, and I have. Or had. I'm regaining my equilibrium, with your help.
I've always found this community to be full of intelligent people, generally. And it's hard when you're out there talking about your weight loss struggles, because it's a sensitive and personal thing. I've lurked here for years. I know how to do it. For some reason, I just haven't been. Lost job, winter that lasts forever, possible depression, whatever. It was a wake up call to myself.
I'm very sorry if I triggered anyone. I'm really just trying to understand my own behavior and triggers.
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The problem here is that people get on here acting like they know what they are talking about when they clearly don’t and then when you correct them they get offended
Frustrated, or offended?
I was frustrated because I couldn't piece together whatever it was that you were arguing, which is why I asked for clarification. I certainly wasn't offended.
And for the record, I'm well aware that I don't know everything, and I'm pretty eager to learn. But what I do know I believe for a reason, and it's going to take more than some kid on website saying, "because of my physique" to change my mind.
You’re entitled to your own opinion. That’s fine, but that doesn’t mean you can discredit me when you just admitted you don’t even know what’s going on. Sure I’m young, but I also play soccer for a big university in my state. I know a good bit about diet and exercise regardless of my youth.
On the Internet, everyone can claim to play soccer for a big university in any state -- some of us can even claim to be so good that we got recruited by out-of-state universities, with full scholarships, but we were so good we decided to go pro after our junior year. Of high school. You're probably wearing my Nike line right now.
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You know what would be a really great place for the debate part of this thread - the part that has little or no direct relationship to the OP?
This thread over in Debate:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10348650/cico-still-skeptical-come-inside-for-a-meticulous-log-that-proves-it
That guy looks pretty good, too - and I'm old enough to be granny to either one of you, so it's an just an academic observation, not creepy, when I say that.
Actually, if everyone is accepting OP's characterization of a post written entirely in the second person as being self-directed, I'm not sure what would have a direct relationship to the original post -- isn't this whole thread just people interrupting OP's conversation with him/her self?1 -
OP here, coming back out of the shadows. I was trying to point out to myself the value of moderation. I have no intention of giving up pizza, cake, beer, or alcohol. But I'm also not happy eating -only- those things. I've been in one of those free-for-all cycles--last supper eating and all.
I need to get back to moderation. To even 2k calories a day instead of 3-4k. I've gained back 10 of the 30 I lost in the past year. I lost my job, had a big event, and I made excuses. I let it derail me. I stopped doing 10k steps a day. I let myself have that second--and third--cookie. I had that 5th beer. (And then a fourth cookie.)
I went off track, big time. I feel good when I eat whole foods. I also feel good when I eat chocolate and drink beer. Nothing has to be off limits. But we all know when we've lost control, and I have. Or had. I'm regaining my equilibrium, with your help.
I've always found this community to be full of intelligent people, generally. And it's hard when you're out there talking about your weight loss struggles, because it's a sensitive and personal thing. I've lurked here for years. I know how to do it. For some reason, I just haven't been. Lost job, winter that lasts forever, possible depression, whatever. It was a wake up call to myself.
I'm very sorry if I triggered anyone. I'm really just trying to understand my own behavior and triggers.
Hi. Glad to see you're back. The thread seems to have gone off on some tangents. Maybe you could help us get back on topic. Is there some direction you were hoping the responses would go? (i.e., advice? similar posts from people with similar experiences? commiseration and encouragement?)
(And, yeah, I did find the post "triggering," initially -- I've only got one body, and I can either live in it, or I can die. No matter what changes I make through diet and exercise or anything else, it's still the same old one body that I got at birth and will be in until I die. My apologies for trying to channel the negative emotions it stirred up into a light-hearted joke instead of a multi-paragraph essay on why the post felt like an attack.)0
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