Flexible dieting vs clean eating
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As long as my cookie didn't fall on the floor - it's clean.
If you eat a fairly healthy diet, eating extra doesn't earn you bonus points.
I've done best at eating ~75% healthy (fresh fruit & veggies, lean protiens, complex carbs/whole grains), the rest - snacks and less than "clean" foods. Doing this I have never felt deprived or ended up with severe cravings that lead to binging on stuff.
Look up Olympic athletes eating on YouTube - they have interviews showing what they eat, and guess what, it's NOT "clean eating", and these are the best athletes in the world that need to be at thier best for competition.
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kshama2001 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
I've read a lot of food related books that were mentioned here - but I get them all from the library
Lucky. I don't have that option.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Freedom comes from being aware of what truly makes you happy and taking full responsibility for this. There's imaginary food freedom with rigid rules and regulations. Compartmentalized eating. A corresponding rule for every situation while you're out on the town or over at grandma's house. If you should come across a donut, take two bites and quickly throw the rest in the trash. It's sooo not worth it to throw giant month hunks of that rigid eating protocol down the drain with a donut. If you should eat more than 12 potato chips that will require a food reset and more rigid dialed down eating to compensate, get yourself back in line.
That is a food prison. I'm not going out like that. I refuse to define food through the bias of someone's else's disordered thoughts about food. Calling it freedom when it's a food prison is another disconnect for the brain. Rephrasing old dieting terms with new words = still a diet. That's just slick marketing.
Im going to eat the whole donut and go on with life. but thats me lol
Seriously. Eating the whole donut is a heck of a lot more normalized and less disordered than eating two bites and tossing the rest.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
There are books that talk about simply eating less calories than you burn, you just need to find them. I for example learned everything I had to know about bulking and cutting with Mike Matthews books and the digital books I purchased on www.aworkoutroutine.com (the building muscles book aka how to bulk book and the fat loss books aka the how to cut book) . They don't promote any diets out there other than you need to eat less calories than you burn for cutting and the opposite for bulking. Of course the books go more into depth. My point is just that there are books out there who don't promote any fancy diets, just simple stuff.2 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
There are books that talk about simply eating less calories than you burn, you just need to find them. I for example learned everything I had to know about bulking and cutting with Mike Matthews books and the digital books I purchased on www.aworkoutroutine.com (the building muscles book aka how to bulk book and the fat loss books aka the how to cut book) . They don't promote any diets out there other than you need to eat less calories than you burn for cutting and the opposite for bulking. Of course the books go more into depth. My point is just that there are books out there who don't promote any fancy diets, just simple stuff.
Eric Helms' Muscle and Strength Pyramids is another excellent one. He goes into great depth about both nutrition and training, with no woo or silliness. Tom Venuto's Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle is pretty good as well.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
I think if you have the common sense to study other somewhat reasonable diets without being taken in there are things to learn. I fully admit that I have incorporated things from the Mediterranean/South Beach diets into my system. I might only do it 3 or 4 times a month now but I still do liquid meal replacements too because sometimes they are handy which is something I learned from doing SlimFast all those years ago. From Atkins I took a look at low carb but realized I didn't need it but I found a benefit in making sure I had a certain ratio of protein to carbs when eating them.
What I pretty much disregard is any specific rules other than the calorie limit. I make my own rules.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
There are books that talk about simply eating less calories than you burn, you just need to find them. I for example learned everything I had to know about bulking and cutting with Mike Matthews books and the digital books I purchased on www.aworkoutroutine.com (the building muscles book aka how to bulk book and the fat loss books aka the how to cut book) . They don't promote any diets out there other than you need to eat less calories than you burn for cutting and the opposite for bulking. Of course the books go more into depth. My point is just that there are books out there who don't promote any fancy diets, just simple stuff.
Eric Helms' Muscle and Strength Pyramids is another excellent one. He goes into great depth about both nutrition and training, with no woo or silliness. Tom Venuto's Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle is pretty good as well.
Yes anvil, but they are scientifically based. Who believes that in the media? Lol2 -
I eat a bit of everything....it keeps.me sane!!! I knew today was going to be a stressful day so I budgeted 10 chicken mcnuggets, 1 bbq sauce and a sugar free vanilla iced coffee at the end of my day ...didn't go over any macros and it tasted glorious. Didn't end up snacking and eating other food because I wasn't satisfied like I would have done if I had a healthy dinner lol (Ate 'clean' all day prior to the nugs)5
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