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What commonly given MFP Forum advice do you personally disagree with?
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deannalfisher wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »UsE a fOoD ScALe
why do you disagree with this?
Because most people here believe its the be all end all of weight loss. Haven't weighted a single ounce of food in 6 months and doing just fine.
Maybe for skinny people trying to "lose weight" it may help but those of us with a ton to drop its unnecessary and a waste of time. As long as your mindful of portion sizes it does the same job.
this is why we recommend....i don't know about you but i struggle to see a visual difference between the 2
deannalfisher wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »UsE a fOoD ScALe
why do you disagree with this?
Because most people here believe its the be all end all of weight loss. Haven't weighted a single ounce of food in 6 months and doing just fine.
Maybe for skinny people trying to "lose weight" it may help but those of us with a ton to drop its unnecessary and a waste of time. As long as your mindful of portion sizes it does the same job.
this is why we recommend....i don't know about you but i struggle to see a visual difference between the 2
This is a good example. I switched my bread from 80 cal per slice to 60&fiberenriched assuming the manufacturer isn’t lying. Pb is a rare treat, I stick w/10 cal Splenda shuckers. That being said, it does look like 2x the pb in the pic....If you look at it,
Or made it and didn’t measure the 2 tsps per 190 cals.0 -
Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »Thank6. I ate cake for breakfast yesterday and hardly feel qualified to dole out advice to anyone else based on that
I’ll take your advice any day. Cake is life!
Unless it was some sad paleo/keto/low carb/diet/black bean/beet microwave sea sponge looking thing that someone on Pinterest professed to be “the best cake EVAH” even though they had to drink a bottle of wine with it to get it down but now they are committed to the farce and want others to suffer alongside.
This reminds me of a thread from way way back. OP was complaining about how much energy she had put into creating this heavily substituted for "healthy" ingredients monstrosity of a cake that she had made for her boyfriends birthday and he had to audacity to complain about it (he wanted a chocolate cake, but she loved him too much to kill him with those horrifying chemical cakes). :laugh:
I remember that! That was a forum classic (that was from the mini tramp[oline] thread era I think?). That’s exactly where the beet part of my (sadly probably not) fictional concoction came from. Because who puts beets in a cake? That’s unforgettably traumatic to the cake.
I felt bad for the poor boyfriend. Just feed him the cake he wants for Pete's sake, rather than trying to force him into eating "healthy" sadness on his birthday.
I missed so much good stuff 2013-16
Thinking it would be fun to serve one of those monstrosities up to hubby to see how much of an effort he makes at feigning enthusiasm before busting out the real deal
Those were the golden years. I learned SO MUCH on the forums back then.
-Mini tramp[online]s give a full body workout (including your liver) in just 15 minutes.
-Little Debbie’s sugar leaches calcium from the blood
-blood calcium is immune to fruit sugar
-calcium is also carcinogenic
-this is also connected to certain kinds of milk but I got a little confused at the mechanisms.
-superfoods counteract this calcium leaching (you may or may not need to do the hokey pokey first and there may or may not be magic spells involved)
And those were the highlights from just a 3 day spread.
It was a MAGIC time or knowledge sharing here at the mfp forums.
ETA because I used the wrong leach at first but I really don’t think it matters in this case.
Anyone else been around long enough to know that you pee the fat out as chicken fat looking stuff?4 -
concordancia wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Duck_Puddle wrote: »Thank6. I ate cake for breakfast yesterday and hardly feel qualified to dole out advice to anyone else based on that
I’ll take your advice any day. Cake is life!
Unless it was some sad paleo/keto/low carb/diet/black bean/beet microwave sea sponge looking thing that someone on Pinterest professed to be “the best cake EVAH” even though they had to drink a bottle of wine with it to get it down but now they are committed to the farce and want others to suffer alongside.
This reminds me of a thread from way way back. OP was complaining about how much energy she had put into creating this heavily substituted for "healthy" ingredients monstrosity of a cake that she had made for her boyfriends birthday and he had to audacity to complain about it (he wanted a chocolate cake, but she loved him too much to kill him with those horrifying chemical cakes). :laugh:
I remember that! That was a forum classic (that was from the mini tramp[oline] thread era I think?). That’s exactly where the beet part of my (sadly probably not) fictional concoction came from. Because who puts beets in a cake? That’s unforgettably traumatic to the cake.
I felt bad for the poor boyfriend. Just feed him the cake he wants for Pete's sake, rather than trying to force him into eating "healthy" sadness on his birthday.
I missed so much good stuff 2013-16
Thinking it would be fun to serve one of those monstrosities up to hubby to see how much of an effort he makes at feigning enthusiasm before busting out the real deal
Those were the golden years. I learned SO MUCH on the forums back then.
-Mini tramp[online]s give a full body workout (including your liver) in just 15 minutes.
-Little Debbie’s sugar leaches calcium from the blood
-blood calcium is immune to fruit sugar
-calcium is also carcinogenic
-this is also connected to certain kinds of milk but I got a little confused at the mechanisms.
-superfoods counteract this calcium leaching (you may or may not need to do the hokey pokey first and there may or may not be magic spells involved)
And those were the highlights from just a 3 day spread.
It was a MAGIC time or knowledge sharing here at the mfp forums.
ETA because I used the wrong leach at first but I really don’t think it matters in this case.
Anyone else been around long enough to know that you pee the fat out as chicken fat looking stuff?
That was awesome! :laugh:
So was, your food is killong you0 -
Well I did make it thru the threads, I recently donated the doc martins I wore occasionally for 20 years, couldn’t let go of my combat boots. New York super fudge chunk, ben and jerries is my criptonite but due to lactose intolerance can eat only about a mini child scope. How dare you post those goodies and cakes, I think my heart rate went up. Evil brownies do exist, and I could lose weight on 1200 cals of donuts but I’d feel like crap. Pretty sure I have that dawn thing, and I’m simply amazed there is a free version of this....so can you really be offended at free?2
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"Don't use the MFP exercise database to estimate exercise calories; it's too inaccurate. Get a heart rate monitor, then you'll know your actual calorie burn."
This sort of thing usually gets usefully disputed, but I do see it fairly frequently. I've even gotten in disputes with people who insisted that their HRM was accurately estimating their "HIIT", or strength training, and that they therefore actually burned the startlingly high number of calories it estimated.
Any exercise estimating method has limitations. Different methods have different limitations with respect to different exercise types. It's useful IMO to understand what the basis for the method is, and to pick methods that are the best you can easily do for any particular exercise . . .
. . . even though it really doesn't matter, in the sense that results from any consistent method will sort out over the long haul by watching eating/exercise logs and scale weight.
Still, the "HRM measures calories" kind of advice still bugs me. People think technology can do things it can't - yet, anyway. It's not magic.9 -
All of it. Because the trend here mirrors the trend in society in general that everyone has to all be about the latest "truth" and everything else must be wrong. Two years ago you could not open a thread anywhere on this site without reading about how 5x5 is the only possible program for lifting. Want to gain muscle? 5x5! Want to lose weight? 5x5! Want to improve your sprinting speed? 5x5! Then it was something else. I lose track.12
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All of it. Because the trend here mirrors the trend in society in general that everyone has to all be about the latest "truth" and everything else must be wrong. Two years ago you could not open a thread anywhere on this site without reading about how 5x5 is the only possible program for lifting. Want to gain muscle? 5x5! Want to lose weight? 5x5! Want to improve your sprinting speed? 5x5! Then it was something else. I lose track.
I see a variety of different plans being recommended here. Our more experienced posters, in particular, seem to get there is no "one size fits all" for resistance training.8 -
I disagree with counting non starchy vegetable calories. My limit is already low and I eat huge volumes of non starch vegetables. When I include them, I have zero energy. It does not affect my weight personally when I don't count them.15
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That just means your limit is too low.
I like counting veg, since I like being able to look back and see what I ate and make sure I'm getting a good variety. I also like knowing what my actual macros are and how many calories I eat in veg.13 -
I disagree with counting non starchy vegetable calories. My limit is already low and I eat huge volumes of non starch vegetables. When I include them, I have zero energy. It does not affect my weight personally when I don't count them.
This is the thing that bothers me. We all know one size doesn't fit all and when advice is given it assumes people have a baseline information (or the ability to recognize that they don't and either ask it Google it) and the advice is given to cover the majority in the middle of the bell curve.
I realize this person isn't generalizing and did say that this is what works for them. However, I have seen people go into threads and poo poo the advice that works for most people, and is a good starting point for most discussions, and claim that it doesn't work for them because they are part of this fringe population, or claim that everyone should be eating x or not eating x because it's a super food or a devil food.
There has to be room for error and individual situations/personalities. There also has to be a starting point for solving a problem. The quicker you can narrow down the viable solution the better. I think I would be less bothered if the fringe situations were presented in a, "hey, in case this doesn't work for you, maybe consider that you're on the fringe and you may want to check out xyz" and less in a argumentative way.
Yes, you may be able to get away with not logging vegetables. Your deficit may be large enough, or your words in energy expenditure just off enough, that the amount of calories from non starchy vegetables is negligible. But telling someone who is just starting that they don't have to worry about logging a certain group of foods can be confusing and adds complication. Those foods have calories and while many people could get away with not logging those foods, it still accounts for a portion of your calories. There is obviously a large portion of the population here that needs to log their foods, for whatever reason whether it's wanting to know where all their calories are coming from, they want the data, they want the accountability, they want to be able to look back and see why they were extra hungry or sluggish or bloated, or simply because the habit is what is helping. It's much easier to assume that logging everything will help a new person and letting them decide if it's personally worth it later. And if that newer person after two weeks says they aren't losing, it's much easier to cross logging issues off of the potential issues list if their log is complete. Assuming those foods don't need to be logged actually ends up also eliminating everyone who gets within goal range and is on a small deficit. Even if that is a small population, hopefully we all get to that point where we are within reaching distance if goal. And in that case, the calories from vegetables can certainly have an effect on how quickly you lose.
(Sorry about the rant. And yes, sometimes I don't log my non starchy vegetables. But I know my goal deficit is high enough to accommodate this. And even when it's not, I know the potential consequences so I know that I won't go mentally off the rails because of what the scale does. I also know that the majority of people in the forums aren't argumentative and are cognizant of the fringe and the hierarchy of most to least common/effective. I think that's the other reason it bothers me: it sticks out like a sure thumb when it happens.)9 -
I disagree with counting non starchy vegetable calories. My limit is already low and I eat huge volumes of non starch vegetables. When I include them, I have zero energy. It does not affect my weight personally when I don't count them.
This is the thing that bothers me. We all know one size doesn't fit all and when advice is given it assumes people have a baseline information (or the ability to recognize that they don't and either ask it Google it) and the advice is given to cover the majority in the middle of the bell curve.
I realize this person isn't generalizing and did say that this is what works for them. However, I have seen people go into threads and poo poo the advice that works for most people, and is a good starting point for most discussions, and claim that it doesn't work for them because they are part of this fringe population, or claim that everyone should be eating x or not eating x because it's a super food or a devil food.
There has to be room for error and individual situations/personalities. There also has to be a starting point for solving a problem. The quicker you can narrow down the viable solution the better. I think I would be less bothered if the fringe situations were presented in a, "hey, in case this doesn't work for you, maybe consider that you're on the fringe and you may want to check out xyz" and less in a argumentative way.
I mentioned this earlier (and on p. 29, it bears repeating
). Many who are objecting to "commonly given advice" do so because that common advice doesn't apply to them in X situation. That doesn't discount the value of the advice for the majority of the population. "When you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras." 10 -
“What commonly MFP forum advice do you disagree with?”
When you post something and then get attack or ridicule for it.
As it’s been said so many time each person journey is different and if it works for you then good on you. If you disagree with what someone is following don’t attack them. Asking questions is fine or share your thoughts but in a kind, respectful manner.18 -
amberellen12 wrote: »“What commonly MFP forum advice do you disagree with?”
When you post something and then get attack or ridicule for it.
As it’s been said so many time each person journey is different and if it works for you then good on you. If you disagree with what someone is following don’t attack them. Asking questions is fine or share your thoughts but in a kind, respectful manner.
I understand what your saying, I once felt that way too but...
I have to admit I learned the most from "snarky" comments here on mfp. I was the ACV, fasting any quick thing I could do that I read on a blog post type of dieter. I had soooooooooo much wrong information in my head about what to do and not do. My very first post here was how I'm going to "trick my body" and I got some pretty snarky comments. I was hurt at first but as I continued to read I realized they might know something I don't and yeah they did. I can't interpert the scientific studies, I don't know much about the process etc so I rely heavely on people here that do and are able to translate in laymans terms.
Having said that you or others may read what I thought was "snarky" and think they were just stating the facts or their experience. I know that I've posted a tip that worked for me and the responses were as if I was telling them their idea was poop when all I was saying was "here's what works for me" (incedently they were asking for tips).
tl;dr - I've learned not to assign intent to posts because it's hard to get the intent of the message in black and white. Most people here are genuinely interested helping people and they are just matter of fact type of people. Context of the whole thread usually gets you the info you need:)18 -
It’s how something is worded that can make someone listen or reject it. The blunt nasty ones I just block.9
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amberellen12 wrote: »It’s how something is worded that can make someone listen or reject it. The blunt nasty ones I just block.
Too bad--as mentioned above, you'll be missing out on a lot of good information.11 -
snowflake954 wrote: »amberellen12 wrote: »It’s how something is worded that can make someone listen or reject it. The blunt nasty ones I just block.
Too bad--as mentioned above, you'll be missing out on a lot of good information.
Not to mention, one person's 'blunt and nasty' might be another's 'direct and no nonsense' or 'tough love.'16 -
Blunt and nasty doesn't mean it's wrong. Just like sweet and nice doesn't mean something is right.
I'll take blunt and nasty correct over a sweet and polite lie or incorrect response any day.
If the goal is to learn, then content means more than tone.14 -
I would never take a vice from rude know it all people. There’s a way to deliver you thoughts or beliefs without chastising people.15
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amberellen12 wrote: »I would never take a vice from rude know it all people. There’s a way to deliver you thoughts or beliefs without chastising people.
Never?
Sure, we would all prefer advice delivered with kit gloves.
It doesn't always come that way.
Well, at least not good advice. There are those who deliver suspect advice with lips of honey. Sugary sweet bad advice is still bad advice. That's my point.
Tone doesn't have much, if anything at all to do with the quality of the advice.
Just as we are cautioned not to judge others because we don't know their journey, why isn't the same grace offered to the grouchy subject matter expert?
Maybe he's just worn out by the seemingly never ending stream of nice sounding, but totally wrong advice.
Too many seem to have the standard grace for me, but judgment for thee...16 -
I really don't see this "chastising" and for some people disagreement seems to = mean, no matter how politely and gently it's phrased. There seems to be an idea that no one should ever be disagreed with, because it's supposedly too humiliating to told you are wrong about anything (which is a really problematic approach to discussion of anything, IMO). This is actually one of the gentlest places on the internet I've come across.
That aside, one of the exchanges I had that woke me up before I decided to figure out how to lose weight was with someone (a friend, and one I'd listened to complain about things too) who was probably fed up with me complaining about being fat. She just said bluntly "if you don't like how much you weigh, why don't you lose weight." It was like a light went on and I realized being overweight wasn't just something that happened to me and that I had no control over, but something that I could control. Figuring out for myself how to do, and taking responsibility for things like motivation myself, that was very important for me. I do know that talking about fitness and nutrition and sharing ideas is a way to make it interesting and keep caring about it, so I like the discussions.11
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