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Stretching and massage don't help muscles

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  • aziz_n1aziz_n1 Posts: 109Member Member Posts: 109Member Member
    Both do help, especially if done correctly and if possible by an expert, i.e. your physio or Osteopath. Always amazes me how after a good session with my Osteopath, my aching, stiff body & limbs feel so relaxed and loose, giving me real freedom of movement.
    Even more amazing is how, in order to free a certain part of the body or a limb, he will do things at other locations on the body or frame that you would not believe are linked, e.g. powerfully massaging & stretching the feet to cure problems in my knees or lower back...ecstasy!!!
  • OrphiaOrphia Posts: 6,856Member Member Posts: 6,856Member Member
    ceiswyn wrote: »
    Yes of course I do, I think massage is really beneficial.

    I just think stretching isn’t.

    I don't think there's any 'of course' in a discussion entitled 'Stretching and massage don't help muscles'!

    I think massage does help muscles, and I've said nothing about stretching.

    Massage doesn't help muscles.

    Hips can hurt because of tensing your muscles, trapped nerves, and/or joint pain or other pain such as arthritis.

    Pushing or pulling the muscle doesn't affect the biology of the muscle itself. It doesn't change the cells, fibres, fascia, tissues.

    Massage doesn't help the muscle, it helps your brain signals stop tensing it and trapping the nerves.

    The brain's signals tense up the muscles and travel and radiates to the brain and nervous system, so people get chronic pain if the issues causing the tension signals aren't addressed.

    It also physically loosens the hold of the tension the nerve signal is creating on the muscle where it's attached to the joint, so range of motion improves.

    Knowing your range of joint motion has improved helps you feel emotionally better and releases more tension.

    The massage isn’t helping the muscle, but rather the brain, nerves, joints, and tendons.

    If massaging helped the muscle, it would heal torn muscles, which is unheard of. It's not magical re-generation of body parts, or instant repair of broken muscle fibres.
  • mbaker566mbaker566 Posts: 9,412Member Member Posts: 9,412Member Member
    ceiswyn wrote: »
    Orphia wrote: »
    ceiswyn wrote: »
    Yes of course I do, I think massage is really beneficial.

    I just think stretching isn’t.

    I don't think there's any 'of course' in a discussion entitled 'Stretching and massage don't help muscles'!

    I think massage does help muscles, and I've said nothing about stretching.

    Massage doesn't help muscles.

    Hips can hurt because of tensing your muscles, trapped nerves, and/or joint pain or other pain such as arthritis.

    Pushing or pulling the muscle doesn't affect the biology of the muscle itself. It doesn't change the cells, fibres, fascia, tissues.

    Massage doesn't help the muscle, it helps your brain signals stop tensing it and trapping the nerves.

    The brain's signals tense up the muscles and travel and radiates to the brain and nervous system, so people get chronic pain if the issues causing the tension signals aren't addressed.

    It also physically loosens the hold of the tension the nerve signal is creating on the muscle where it's attached to the joint, so range of motion improves.

    Knowing your range of joint motion has improved helps you feel emotionally better and releases more tension.

    The massage isn’t helping the muscle, but rather the brain, nerves, joints, and tendons.

    If massaging helped the muscle, it would heal torn muscles, which is unheard of. It's not magical re-generation of body parts, or instant repair of broken muscle fibres.

    Given that the result of the massage is a physical improvement in the muscle's function, that seems to be splitting the hair a bit too finely...

    agreed
  • OrphiaOrphia Posts: 6,856Member Member Posts: 6,856Member Member
    Orphia wrote: »
    The massage isn’t helping the muscle, but rather the brain, nerves, joints, and tendons.

    If massaging helped the muscle, it would heal torn muscles, which is unheard of. It's not magical re-generation of body parts, or instant repair of broken muscle fibres.
    ceiswyn wrote: »
    Given that the result of the massage is a physical improvement in the muscle's function, that seems to be splitting the hair a bit too finely...

    That's trying to make it about the muscle again when nothing happened to change the muscle.

    I've seen too many runners seriously depressed from not running due to injuries because they talk about sore muscles and spend money on stretching routines and massage, when the cause and treatment ends up being unrelated to the condition of the actual muscles.

    But I don't mind if using the wrong term for something makes people feel better about knowing they're wrong about using it, that's fine. :heart: xo

    However, accuracy in medical terminology and knowlege is a big problem in the world, not just the fitness industry, and it's very important in getting the right diagnosis and treatment for oneself so we can keep being healthy and active.

    edited August 10
  • glovepuppetglovepuppet Posts: 1,695Member Member Posts: 1,695Member Member
    All mammals and birds stretch, so I'm going to guess that there's a reason for it, even if it's not been found. And it feels good.
    Massage, I never got anything out of it until I hit my 40s and noticed that the areas of shin splints and foot pain felt almost grainy, massage seemed to clear it away, and away went the pain. The grainy feeling is only there when there's pain/injury.

    Not very scientific, I'm not about to declare that this is proof, but it's working for me so I'll continue.
  • ceiswynceiswyn Posts: 1,852Member Member Posts: 1,852Member Member
    Orphia wrote: »
    Orphia wrote: »
    The massage isn’t helping the muscle, but rather the brain, nerves, joints, and tendons.

    If massaging helped the muscle, it would heal torn muscles, which is unheard of. It's not magical re-generation of body parts, or instant repair of broken muscle fibres.
    ceiswyn wrote: »
    Given that the result of the massage is a physical improvement in the muscle's function, that seems to be splitting the hair a bit too finely...

    That's trying to make it about the muscle again when nothing happened to change the muscle.

    I've seen too many runners seriously depressed from not running due to injuries because they talk about sore muscles and spend money on stretching routines and massage, when the cause and treatment ends up being unrelated to the condition of the actual muscles.

    But I don't mind if using the wrong term for something makes people feel better about knowing they're wrong about using it, that's fine. :heart: xo

    However, accuracy in medical terminology and knowlege is a big problem in the world, not just the fitness industry, and it's very important in getting the right diagnosis and treatment for oneself so we can keep being healthy and active.

    The problem there isn’t that massage isn’t effective, it’s that it’s being used incorrectly.

    I am currently using massage (foam rollering) to treat a hip problem. It was prescribed by my physio to increase my range of motion. I am also performing exercises that strengthen the muscles around the joint. Are you going to tell me that I shouldn’t be using massage because it doesn’t technically affect the condition of the actual muscles? Wouldn’t that be a ridiculous thing for someone to advise?

    The solution to people massaging muscles when the problem is elsewhere isn’t to split hairs about whether massage is technically healing the muscle. It’s to advise people to get their issues properly diagnosed.
    edited August 10
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