Keto is amazing
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paperpudding wrote: »I don't think people here are snooty toward keto at all.
I think most non keto eaters feel the same as me - keto is great for those who like it
The pushback only comes when people make unrealistic claims of the " I can eat all I want and still lose" ilk or keto evangelists who seem to think keto is best for everyone.
Pretty much, except I'll add that I do believe that some can "eat all I want and still lose" on keto (especially early on), as I think keto can change how much people perceive they want, as well as preventing the mindless eating that for some of us was more of a problem than actual hunger.
I think you meant the claims that people ate more than maintenance and lost, and I totally agree.
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Fair point.
Yes, individual people could find they can eat as much as they want - meaning they feel full and then naturally don't want to eat any more than their calorie allowance ( whether counting to it or not)
To me though 'you can eat as much as you want' seems to be implying you can eat unlimited quantities - which obviously is not the case on keto or any other WOE.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm just wondering how chocolate is keto? It would seem to me that more than the tiniest amount of chocolate would eat up your carb limit.
I have a couple of squares of 85% chocolate most days, which is about 3gm carbs. IIFYM etc...
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verybusymomto4 wrote: »Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!
Exactly.thank you.it was intended as you took it, then out the woodwork come those who cant accept it.
I'm loving Keto.
In answer to previous question...7th week now, I'm not a hardened keto dieter as I do like a vodka , my point was I was stuck for weeks at nearly 13st till I tried keto .I now weigh 12'3 and have lost all my belly fat, 11 lbs of water weight though so the "experts " tell me 😂
No one said it was all water wegiht, though of the 11, I would venture to guess 6-9 were water.verybusymomto4 wrote: »Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!
Exactly.thank you.it was intended as you took it, then out the woodwork come those who cant accept it.
I'm loving Keto.
In answer to previous question...7th week now, I'm not a hardened keto dieter as I do like a vodka , my point was I was stuck for weeks at nearly 13st till I tried keto .I now weigh 12'3 and have lost all my belly fat, 11 lbs of water weight though so the "experts " tell me 😂
No one said it was all water wegiht, though of the 11, I would venture to guess 6-9 were water.
9 out of the 11 is water? My jeans are now a 32 from 34, my neck is thinner.my face is thinner.my belly is not as fat and my legs are much much thinner.so yes it's all water. Goodness
6-9, maybe only 6 was water... that said reduced water retention does make one look thinner, as water takes up space and has volume
So you don't know in truth?
I'm not sure of the mechanics to be honest, but the "whoosh" effect is well known, and usually quite welcome when it happens. The human body is comprised of a high % water stored in tissues, cells etc, so when it goes, it doesn't come from just one place, like around the abdomen. Saying someone lost water weight isn't a put down or derogatory or demeaning towards the diet at all. It's still weight and volume that are gone. Which is nice, really nice.
The primary distinction (in my opinion) is that water weight can be lost and replaced at a much faster rate than weight lost or gained due to fat. Once you're working on maintaining, rather than losing weight, you'll see fluctuations up and down, sometimes fairly large, and quite normal for everyone.
So yes, loss of a large amount of water can indeed have an effect on your overall appearance. Nothing wrong with enjoying it, or discussing it as we folks here like to do. Keep doing what you're doing and enjoy the weightloss. It feels great.
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verybusymomto4 wrote: »Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!
Exactly.thank you.it was intended as you took it, then out the woodwork come those who cant accept it.
I'm loving Keto.
In answer to previous question...7th week now, I'm not a hardened keto dieter as I do like a vodka , my point was I was stuck for weeks at nearly 13st till I tried keto .I now weigh 12'3 and have lost all my belly fat, 11 lbs of water weight though so the "experts " tell me 😂
No one said it was all water wegiht, though of the 11, I would venture to guess 6-9 were water.verybusymomto4 wrote: »Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!
Exactly.thank you.it was intended as you took it, then out the woodwork come those who cant accept it.
I'm loving Keto.
In answer to previous question...7th week now, I'm not a hardened keto dieter as I do like a vodka , my point was I was stuck for weeks at nearly 13st till I tried keto .I now weigh 12'3 and have lost all my belly fat, 11 lbs of water weight though so the "experts " tell me 😂
No one said it was all water wegiht, though of the 11, I would venture to guess 6-9 were water.
9 out of the 11 is water? My jeans are now a 32 from 34, my neck is thinner.my face is thinner.my belly is not as fat and my legs are much much thinner.so yes it's all water. Goodness
6-9, maybe only 6 was water... that said reduced water retention does make one look thinner, as water takes up space and has volume
So you don't know in truth?
I'm not sure of the mechanics to be honest, but the "whoosh" effect is well known, and usually quite welcome when it happens. The human body is comprised of a high % water stored in tissues, cells etc, so when it goes, it doesn't come from just one place, like around the abdomen. Saying someone lost water weight isn't a put down or derogatory or demeaning towards the diet at all. It's still weight and volume that are gone. Which is nice, really nice.
The primary distinction (in my opinion) is that water weight can be lost and replaced at a much faster rate than weight lost or gained due to fat. Once you're working on maintaining, rather than losing weight, you'll see fluctuations up and down, sometimes fairly large, and quite normal for everyone.
So yes, loss of a large amount of water can indeed have an effect on your overall appearance. Nothing wrong with enjoying it, or discussing it as we folks here like to do. Keep doing what you're doing and enjoy the weightloss. It feels great.
Lyle McDonald talks about it.... his hypothesis is that fat cells try to maintain their size. They fill up with water... then... whoosh.... not sure if I agree with him, but he is the expert... not me...🤔6 -
I understand that OP is excited that he found something that works for him, but I also think its a bit premature to call something magic after 11 pounds. I think its way too early to know whether or not this is sustainable. There are a ton of people on here who have sustained weight losses in the triple digits because they actually understand how and why weight loss works. They didn't magically lose weight, they kept a deficit until they hit maintenance. As others have stated, of the 11 pounds lost so far, a good percentage of that is probably water weight, and I am genuinely curious how OP is going to handle maintenance if he gets there. The reason people are responding the way they are is not because they hate keto, but I think people recognize that the ignorance behind the magical claim suggests that the weight loss may not be sustainable in the long run. I think you need to understand exactly why you are losing weight to actually keep it off.20
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I know I can be a bit blunt sometimes but I genuinely thought this post was purely for the reaction
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verybusymomto4 wrote: »Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!
Exactly.thank you.it was intended as you took it, then out the woodwork come those who cant accept it.
I'm loving Keto.
In answer to previous question...7th week now, I'm not a hardened keto dieter as I do like a vodka , my point was I was stuck for weeks at nearly 13st till I tried keto .I now weigh 12'3 and have lost all my belly fat, 11 lbs of water weight though so the "experts " tell me 😂
No one said it was all water wegiht, though of the 11, I would venture to guess 6-9 were water.verybusymomto4 wrote: »Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!
Exactly.thank you.it was intended as you took it, then out the woodwork come those who cant accept it.
I'm loving Keto.
In answer to previous question...7th week now, I'm not a hardened keto dieter as I do like a vodka , my point was I was stuck for weeks at nearly 13st till I tried keto .I now weigh 12'3 and have lost all my belly fat, 11 lbs of water weight though so the "experts " tell me 😂
No one said it was all water wegiht, though of the 11, I would venture to guess 6-9 were water.
9 out of the 11 is water? My jeans are now a 32 from 34, my neck is thinner.my face is thinner.my belly is not as fat and my legs are much much thinner.so yes it's all water. Goodness
6-9, maybe only 6 was water... that said reduced water retention does make one look thinner, as water takes up space and has volume
So you don't know in truth?
I'm not sure of the mechanics to be honest, but the "whoosh" effect is well known, and usually quite welcome when it happens. The human body is comprised of a high % water stored in tissues, cells etc, so when it goes, it doesn't come from just one place, like around the abdomen. Saying someone lost water weight isn't a put down or derogatory or demeaning towards the diet at all. It's still weight and volume that are gone. Which is nice, really nice.
The primary distinction (in my opinion) is that water weight can be lost and replaced at a much faster rate than weight lost or gained due to fat. Once you're working on maintaining, rather than losing weight, you'll see fluctuations up and down, sometimes fairly large, and quite normal for everyone.
So yes, loss of a large amount of water can indeed have an effect on your overall appearance. Nothing wrong with enjoying it, or discussing it as we folks here like to do. Keep doing what you're doing and enjoy the weightloss. It feels great.
The other issue with Keto related water weight loss is it's only sustainable if you stay on Keto the rest of your life. There is no "maintenance" setting for it like there is with fat loss. If a person decides they ever in their life want to go off of Keto, they will regain the water weight they've lost from depleting their glycogen stores. So that's why a lot of us think it is not "real" weight. Because unlike the other water weight that's normally lost along with fat during weight loss, this will "whoosh" right back if the diet is ever left.9 -
Nor I lol.psychod787 wrote: »verybusymomto4 wrote: »Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!
Exactly.thank you.it was intended as you took it, then out the woodwork come those who cant accept it.
I'm loving Keto.
In answer to previous question...7th week now, I'm not a hardened keto dieter as I do like a vodka , my point was I was stuck for weeks at nearly 13st till I tried keto .I now weigh 12'3 and have lost all my belly fat, 11 lbs of water weight though so the "experts " tell me 😂
No one said it was all water wegiht, though of the 11, I would venture to guess 6-9 were water.verybusymomto4 wrote: »Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!
Exactly.thank you.it was intended as you took it, then out the woodwork come those who cant accept it.
I'm loving Keto.
In answer to previous question...7th week now, I'm not a hardened keto dieter as I do like a vodka , my point was I was stuck for weeks at nearly 13st till I tried keto .I now weigh 12'3 and have lost all my belly fat, 11 lbs of water weight though so the "experts " tell me 😂
No one said it was all water wegiht, though of the 11, I would venture to guess 6-9 were water.
9 out of the 11 is water? My jeans are now a 32 from 34, my neck is thinner.my face is thinner.my belly is not as fat and my legs are much much thinner.so yes it's all water. Goodness
6-9, maybe only 6 was water... that said reduced water retention does make one look thinner, as water takes up space and has volume
So you don't know in truth?
I'm not sure of the mechanics to be honest, but the "whoosh" effect is well known, and usually quite welcome when it happens. The human body is comprised of a high % water stored in tissues, cells etc, so when it goes, it doesn't come from just one place, like around the abdomen. Saying someone lost water weight isn't a put down or derogatory or demeaning towards the diet at all. It's still weight and volume that are gone. Which is nice, really nice.
The primary distinction (in my opinion) is that water weight can be lost and replaced at a much faster rate than weight lost or gained due to fat. Once you're working on maintaining, rather than losing weight, you'll see fluctuations up and down, sometimes fairly large, and quite normal for everyone.
So yes, loss of a large amount of water can indeed have an effect on your overall appearance. Nothing wrong with enjoying it, or discussing it as we folks here like to do. Keep doing what you're doing and enjoy the weightloss. It feels great.
Lyle McDonald talks about it.... his hypothesis is that fat cells try to maintain their size. They fill up with water... then... whoosh.... not sure if I agree with him, but he is the expert... not me...🤔
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I understand that OP is excited that he found something that works for him, but I also think its a bit premature to call something magic after 11 pounds. I think its way too early to know whether or not this is sustainable. There are a ton of people on here who have sustained weight losses in the triple digits because they actually understand how and why weight loss works. They didn't magically lose weight, they kept a deficit until they hit maintenance. As others have stated, of the 11 pounds lost so far, a good percentage of that is probably water weight, and I am genuinely curious how OP is going to handle maintenance if he gets there. The reason people are responding the way they are is not because they hate keto, but I think people recognize that the ignorance behind the magical claim suggests that the weight loss may not be sustainable in the long run. I think you need to understand exactly why you are losing weight to actually keep it off.
That's how I read a large number of the posts. I've never had trouble losing weight, ever. I had never successfully kept it off until I had at least a basic understanding of why it was all happening.
Most of it had to do with my behavior.6 -
Folk can knock keto all they want.some just don't like it when something other than CICO works, I can have bacon, fried eggs etc etc loads of mince with spices and chicken and veg a plenty ...no weighing etc and still the weight comes off you and you get thinner .its magic
It’s not magic. Stop. I could gain fat and weight easily on keto eating 5k cals of bacon and eggs. Your still in a deficit if your losing weight and doing keto. It’s still governed by cico principles9 -
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verybusymomto4 wrote: »Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!
Exactly.thank you.it was intended as you took it, then out the woodwork come those who cant accept it.
I'm loving Keto.
In answer to previous question...7th week now, I'm not a hardened keto dieter as I do like a vodka , my point was I was stuck for weeks at nearly 13st till I tried keto .I now weigh 12'3 and have lost all my belly fat, 11 lbs of water weight though so the "experts " tell me 😂
No one said it was all water wegiht, though of the 11, I would venture to guess 6-9 were water.verybusymomto4 wrote: »Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!
Exactly.thank you.it was intended as you took it, then out the woodwork come those who cant accept it.
I'm loving Keto.
In answer to previous question...7th week now, I'm not a hardened keto dieter as I do like a vodka , my point was I was stuck for weeks at nearly 13st till I tried keto .I now weigh 12'3 and have lost all my belly fat, 11 lbs of water weight though so the "experts " tell me 😂
No one said it was all water wegiht, though of the 11, I would venture to guess 6-9 were water.
9 out of the 11 is water? My jeans are now a 32 from 34, my neck is thinner.my face is thinner.my belly is not as fat and my legs are much much thinner.so yes it's all water. Goodness
Water has volume as well as mass, so yes, losing 9 lbs of water and 2 lbs of fat could easily drop you a size in jeans, make your face and neck thinner, etc.11 -
I think it’s also important to mention that while keto can be a great plan for some it can also be dangerous and unhealthy for others and people should check with a doctor before changing their diet so dramatically.
For me, when I did LCHF I got gallstones. I love eating a higher fat diet and find it much easier to maintain deficit that way but I cannot do it now.9 -
The magic word seems the problem .
You need to understand English dialogue to know it means "great" , sorry to come back late into this but time zones are different .
Hope that helps.
Ok about the water weight thing.just felt folk wanted to pee on my chips.(hope you get that lol)6 -
The magic word seems the problem .
You need to understand English dialogue to know it means "great" , sorry to come back late into this but time zones are different .
Hope that helps.
Ok about the water weight thing.just felt folk wanted to pee on my chips.(hope you get that lol)
That doesn't sound keto....
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The magic word seems the problem .
You need to understand English dialogue to know it means "great" , sorry to come back late into this but time zones are different .
Hope that helps.
Ok about the water weight thing.just felt folk wanted to pee on my chips.(hope you get that lol)
Do you really think that those who comment on posts like these, many of whom having lost large amounts of weight or possibly having been in maintenance for years, are jealous or secretly rooting for people to fail? It's been said repeatedly, we're happy for your success! To point out that some of the weight loss that shows up on the scale is from water is not a dig or trying to ruin it for you- it's trying to raise peoples' awareness of the keto dieting experience so they won't get all discouraged when the weight loss slows down, or if the number on the scale spikes when they have a bowl of pasta. Knowledge is power 11 -
The magic word seems the problem .
You need to understand English dialogue to know it means "great" , sorry to come back late into this but time zones are different .
Hope that helps.
Ok about the water weight thing.just felt folk wanted to pee on my chips.(hope you get that lol)
Fat loss takes time. Water weight loss does not. As someone who can retain a large amount of water I will attest that it is better for it to stay mostly gone. It makes me miserable when I blow up with bloat.
The things about water loss is that over time it has a habit of showing back up in small amount or large amounts and masking fat loss for a time which has discouraged MANY people and been the result of MANY people quitting (myself included). No one wants you to quit so it may seem like a harsh lesson but learning it is magic.8 -
Hey all.
I’m attempting Keto (I have celiac diseases and find Keto more nutritious than just gluten free) and would love some friends on here with similar food goals.
Feel free to add me please.
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