I'm confused....Are Carbs really bad?
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DancingMoosie wrote: »I do think it's healthier to eat more veggies and fruit than more processed carbs, like bread, cookies, cracker, tortillas, soda, etc. Do I think we should avoid all added sugars and carby treats? No.
Agreed. If one looks at the S.I. of common foods. Fruits, veggies, and potatoes are at the top per unit energy. Nothing wrong with processed carbs, but I think we tend to eat too many of them, and they are far more calorie dense.2 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »I had someone on Quora telling me that:
"Sugar is a poison just a slow one. The body shouts out this…. obesity, t2d, lethargy, body odour, cancer, heart disease, strokes, poor vision, rapid aging, poor brain function, dementia, epilepsy, autism the list goes on and on and on. A monstrously lucrative treatment process."
As in, "Well, since just about everyone eats carbs, let me round up all the current conditions that just about everyone has/will eventually get and blame the carbs for it!" Correlation at its finest...
You need glasses? Nope, just cut out the sugar.
Tired? It's not your sleep habits...it's the sugar.
Hey, did you lose your keys? Must be poor brain function. Better not eat sugar.
Did anybody ever tell you you smell funny? You don't need deodorant, you just need to stop eating sugar.11 -
I KNOW!!!
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butterfly_2019 wrote: »OK so I'm confused...I'm one of these people who reads/researches/watches numerous videos etc but is also a sponge and takes things in to much! I became interested in IF about 12 months ago, I read books (Dr Berg, Dr Fung, Dr Mosley etc), watched videos and learnt a whole lot along the way (or so I thought). Just before Summer I tried low carb high fat which I enjoyed, not just to lose weight but from what I was reading carbs cause all kinds of things to happen i.e. inflammation, insulin spikes, diabetes etc so I did it for both "health" and weight loss.
However, I then read how we need carbs, carbs are not bad, don't see carbs as the enemy, just stick to your calorie goal, we don't need carbs from grains but we need the carbs from veggies and so on and it confuses me.
People seem to have mixed reviews on this...Is it excessive carbs that cause these issues such as diabetes, weight gain, inflammation...
I also watched that film on Netflix...The Magic Pill and people on there were so anti-carb!
Carbs are the only macronutrient that isn’t essential. There are essential fats and essential proteins but no essential carbohydrates for sustaining life. Research more or the Low Carb and Keto doctors and biohackers on YouTube like Dr. Boz, Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Shawn Baker, Dr Eric Berg, Dr Mindy Pelz, Dr Josh Axe, Dr Nick Zyrowski, Dr. Sten Ekberg, Dr Paul Saladin, Siim Land, HVMN, Thomas DeLauer, and Fledge Fitness. There are dozens more for you will understand more of science and not the government’s agenda to brainwash the masses through bad information and poor education. The Magic Pill is by far the BEST Documentary. Oh Yes, All the doctors and scientists in that movie are amazing. Dr. Timothy Noakes is The BRAVEST for being so smart!0 -
butterfly_2019 wrote: »Thanks everyone for your comments. Its really insightful. What are simple carbs?
Yeah I think I do suffer from information overload :-( Time to nip it in the bud I think and just concentrate on my calorie deficit only as opposed to worrying about going over 100g of carbs daily!
I read your other comment about Dr Jason Fung research. Please understand the system doesn’t make money on us being healthy! Do more research on those doctors who help people. I suffered from Crohn’s and SIBO from eating carbs, high fiber from fruits and vegetables. The inflammation caused other illnesses and almost 100lb weight gain over my adult life. I’m mostly carnivore and low carb with Keto and have lost 83lbs with curing my illnesses without medication. The biggest lesson you need to learn from the Magic Pill is that diets of mostly carbs can result in Type 3 Diabetes. Most Americans are clueless what that is but fear it the most. Ignorance isn’t bliss. I hope everyone who reads this gets woke. Look 👀 it up!0 -
Your body needs fat for your joints, hair, cells, brain, the list goes on.
Your body needs protein for muscle growth.
Your body can use carbs as an energy source... and that's it.
So if you ask me if carbs are bad, I say yes.1 -
You do realize that fruits and vegetables are carbs, yes? To say nothing of legumes and whole grains?12
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CardinalComb wrote: »Your body needs fat for your joints, hair, cells, brain, the list goes on.
Your body needs protein for muscle growth.
Your body can use carbs as an energy source... and that's it.
So if you ask me if carbs are bad, I say yes.
Carbs can also be the most nutrient dense product for the calories and fiber has been linked to decreased cancer risk. Getting calorically cheap nutrients is anything but bad. You are also forgetting one of the most important reasons carbs are good, and may even be great for weight management. They taste good! A mentally satisfying diet is more sustainable and more likely to last. They're also great for social health because you can participate in social food rituals without feeling or causing tension.
I have lost 140 lbs and have been maintaining the loss, and the only reason I could was that I did not make restricting unsustainable choices. Pizza and ice cream are some of the best choices I keep making for my health every now and then, because the best choices for health are the choices that help you maintain healthy practices.12 -
squirley13 wrote: »butterfly_2019 wrote: »OK so I'm confused...I'm one of these people who reads/researches/watches numerous videos etc but is also a sponge and takes things in to much! I became interested in IF about 12 months ago, I read books (Dr Berg, Dr Fung, Dr Mosley etc), watched videos and learnt a whole lot along the way (or so I thought). Just before Summer I tried low carb high fat which I enjoyed, not just to lose weight but from what I was reading carbs cause all kinds of things to happen i.e. inflammation, insulin spikes, diabetes etc so I did it for both "health" and weight loss.
However, I then read how we need carbs, carbs are not bad, don't see carbs as the enemy, just stick to your calorie goal, we don't need carbs from grains but we need the carbs from veggies and so on and it confuses me.
People seem to have mixed reviews on this...Is it excessive carbs that cause these issues such as diabetes, weight gain, inflammation...
I also watched that film on Netflix...The Magic Pill and people on there were so anti-carb!
Carbs are the only macronutrient that isn’t essential. There are essential fats and essential proteins but no essential carbohydrates for sustaining life. Research more or the Low Carb and Keto doctors and biohackers on YouTube like Dr. Boz, Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Shawn Baker, Dr Eric Berg, Dr Mindy Pelz, Dr Josh Axe, Dr Nick Zyrowski, Dr. Sten Ekberg, Dr Paul Saladin, Siim Land, HVMN, Thomas DeLauer, and Fledge Fitness. There are dozens more for you will understand more of science and not the government’s agenda to brainwash the masses through bad information and poor education. The Magic Pill is by far the BEST Documentary. Oh Yes, All the doctors and scientists in that movie are amazing. Dr. Timothy Noakes is The BRAVEST for being so smart!
Actually, if you want to be technical, carbs are the most essential nutrient for life. It's so essential that we evolved to produce it when we don't have access to it to survive.14 -
Every cell in our bodies needs glucose (a sugar). Our brains use 1/2 of all the energy sugar in our bodies. Of course too much sugar isn’t good, but too much of anything isn’t good.squirley13 wrote: »butterfly_2019 wrote: »Thanks everyone for your comments. Its really insightful. What are simple carbs?
Yeah I think I do suffer from information overload :-( Time to nip it in the bud I think and just concentrate on my calorie deficit only as opposed to worrying about going over 100g of carbs daily!
I read your other comment about Dr Jason Fung research. Please understand the system doesn’t make money on us being healthy! Do more research on those doctors who help people. I suffered from Crohn’s and SIBO from eating carbs, high fiber from fruits and vegetables. The inflammation caused other illnesses and almost 100lb weight gain over my adult life. I’m mostly carnivore and low carb with Keto and have lost 83lbs with curing my illnesses without medication. The biggest lesson you need to learn from the Magic Pill is that diets of mostly carbs can result in Type 3 Diabetes. Most Americans are clueless what that is but fear it the most. Ignorance isn’t bliss. I hope everyone who reads this gets woke. Look 👀 it up!
According to the Mayo Clinic, and a close friend of a person that has Chron’s, there is no known cure. Only improvement of symptoms.4 -
squirley13 wrote: »butterfly_2019 wrote: »OK so I'm confused...I'm one of these people who reads/researches/watches numerous videos etc but is also a sponge and takes things in to much! I became interested in IF about 12 months ago, I read books (Dr Berg, Dr Fung, Dr Mosley etc), watched videos and learnt a whole lot along the way (or so I thought). Just before Summer I tried low carb high fat which I enjoyed, not just to lose weight but from what I was reading carbs cause all kinds of things to happen i.e. inflammation, insulin spikes, diabetes etc so I did it for both "health" and weight loss.
However, I then read how we need carbs, carbs are not bad, don't see carbs as the enemy, just stick to your calorie goal, we don't need carbs from grains but we need the carbs from veggies and so on and it confuses me.
People seem to have mixed reviews on this...Is it excessive carbs that cause these issues such as diabetes, weight gain, inflammation...
I also watched that film on Netflix...The Magic Pill and people on there were so anti-carb!
Carbs are the only macronutrient that isn’t essential. There are essential fats and essential proteins but no essential carbohydrates for sustaining life. Research more or the Low Carb and Keto doctors and biohackers on YouTube like Dr. Boz, Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Shawn Baker, Dr Eric Berg, Dr Mindy Pelz, Dr Josh Axe, Dr Nick Zyrowski, Dr. Sten Ekberg, Dr Paul Saladin, Siim Land, HVMN, Thomas DeLauer, and Fledge Fitness. There are dozens more for you will understand more of science and not the government’s agenda to brainwash the masses through bad information and poor education. The Magic Pill is by far the BEST Documentary. Oh Yes, All the doctors and scientists in that movie are amazing. Dr. Timothy Noakes is The BRAVEST for being so smart!squirley13 wrote: »butterfly_2019 wrote: »Thanks everyone for your comments. Its really insightful. What are simple carbs?
Yeah I think I do suffer from information overload :-( Time to nip it in the bud I think and just concentrate on my calorie deficit only as opposed to worrying about going over 100g of carbs daily!
I read your other comment about Dr Jason Fung research. Please understand the system doesn’t make money on us being healthy! Do more research on those doctors who help people. I suffered from Crohn’s and SIBO from eating carbs, high fiber from fruits and vegetables. The inflammation caused other illnesses and almost 100lb weight gain over my adult life. I’m mostly carnivore and low carb with Keto and have lost 83lbs with curing my illnesses without medication. The biggest lesson you need to learn from the Magic Pill is that diets of mostly carbs can result in Type 3 Diabetes. Most Americans are clueless what that is but fear it the most. Ignorance isn’t bliss. I hope everyone who reads this gets woke. Look 👀 it up!
You lost me when you required me to believe that it's a conspiracy by the people in power to keep up fat, dumb, and happy...10 -
squirley13 wrote: »butterfly_2019 wrote: »OK so I'm confused...I'm one of these people who reads/researches/watches numerous videos etc but is also a sponge and takes things in to much! I became interested in IF about 12 months ago, I read books (Dr Berg, Dr Fung, Dr Mosley etc), watched videos and learnt a whole lot along the way (or so I thought). Just before Summer I tried low carb high fat which I enjoyed, not just to lose weight but from what I was reading carbs cause all kinds of things to happen i.e. inflammation, insulin spikes, diabetes etc so I did it for both "health" and weight loss.
However, I then read how we need carbs, carbs are not bad, don't see carbs as the enemy, just stick to your calorie goal, we don't need carbs from grains but we need the carbs from veggies and so on and it confuses me.
People seem to have mixed reviews on this...Is it excessive carbs that cause these issues such as diabetes, weight gain, inflammation...
I also watched that film on Netflix...The Magic Pill and people on there were so anti-carb!
Carbs are the only macronutrient that isn’t essential. There are essential fats and essential proteins but no essential carbohydrates for sustaining life. Research more or the Low Carb and Keto doctors and biohackers on YouTube like Dr. Boz, Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Shawn Baker, Dr Eric Berg, Dr Mindy Pelz, Dr Josh Axe, Dr Nick Zyrowski, Dr. Sten Ekberg, Dr Paul Saladin, Siim Land, HVMN, Thomas DeLauer, and Fledge Fitness. There are dozens more for you will understand more of science and not the government’s agenda to brainwash the masses through bad information and poor education. The Magic Pill is by far the BEST Documentary. Oh Yes, All the doctors and scientists in that movie are amazing. Dr. Timothy Noakes is The BRAVEST for being so smart!squirley13 wrote: »butterfly_2019 wrote: »Thanks everyone for your comments. Its really insightful. What are simple carbs?
Yeah I think I do suffer from information overload :-( Time to nip it in the bud I think and just concentrate on my calorie deficit only as opposed to worrying about going over 100g of carbs daily!
I read your other comment about Dr Jason Fung research. Please understand the system doesn’t make money on us being healthy! Do more research on those doctors who help people. I suffered from Crohn’s and SIBO from eating carbs, high fiber from fruits and vegetables. The inflammation caused other illnesses and almost 100lb weight gain over my adult life. I’m mostly carnivore and low carb with Keto and have lost 83lbs with curing my illnesses without medication. The biggest lesson you need to learn from the Magic Pill is that diets of mostly carbs can result in Type 3 Diabetes. Most Americans are clueless what that is but fear it the most. Ignorance isn’t bliss. I hope everyone who reads this gets woke. Look 👀 it up!
You lost me when you required me to believe that it's a conspiracy by the people in power to keep up fat, dumb, and happy...
...and keto curing incurable immune system hereditary diseases.9 -
People all over the world have been eating diets that were high in carbs and fiber for generations. The Blue Zones (areas dotted all over the world where people routinely live active lives into their 100s) eat diets based on veggies, fruits, legumes, and whole grains. You would have to ignore the history of the human species completely to assert that carbs are inherently bad for us.
If you want to say that some people do better with low carbs, that's fine. If you want to say low carbs are healthier for you, and might be healthier for someone else, that's awesome. If you want to say it isn't necessary to eat carbs, I think that's more personal opinion, but it's all good. But to say that carbs are bad for everyone, and the only reason we think they are good is because we have been brainwashed by the government, is demonstrably not true. I suspect the Mediterranean diet and the traditional Asian diet (two carb-heavy diets in areas where lifestyle diseases were typically rare) pre-date Big Food.9 -
missysippy930 wrote: »Every cell in our bodies needs glucose (a sugar). Our brains use 1/2 of all the energy sugar in our bodies. Of course too much sugar isn’t good, but too much of anything isn’t good.squirley13 wrote: »butterfly_2019 wrote: »Thanks everyone for your comments. Its really insightful. What are simple carbs?
Yeah I think I do suffer from information overload :-( Time to nip it in the bud I think and just concentrate on my calorie deficit only as opposed to worrying about going over 100g of carbs daily!
I read your other comment about Dr Jason Fung research. Please understand the system doesn’t make money on us being healthy! Do more research on those doctors who help people. I suffered from Crohn’s and SIBO from eating carbs, high fiber from fruits and vegetables. The inflammation caused other illnesses and almost 100lb weight gain over my adult life. I’m mostly carnivore and low carb with Keto and have lost 83lbs with curing my illnesses without medication. The biggest lesson you need to learn from the Magic Pill is that diets of mostly carbs can result in Type 3 Diabetes. Most Americans are clueless what that is but fear it the most. Ignorance isn’t bliss. I hope everyone who reads this gets woke. Look 👀 it up!
According to the Mayo Clinic, and a close friend of a person that has Chron’s, there is no known cure. Only improvement of symptoms.
There definitely isn't a cure for Crohn's and you don't get it from carbs.9 -
Just to be perfectly clear, in my post quoted above, I’m disagreeing with the post @squirley13 made about her Chron’s being cured by keto diet, caused by carbs and high fiber. I’m well aware that there is no known cure. One of my closest friends has had Chron’s for years.3
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squirley13 wrote: »butterfly_2019 wrote: »Thanks everyone for your comments. Its really insightful. What are simple carbs?
Yeah I think I do suffer from information overload :-( Time to nip it in the bud I think and just concentrate on my calorie deficit only as opposed to worrying about going over 100g of carbs daily!
I read your other comment about Dr Jason Fung research. Please understand the system doesn’t make money on us being healthy! Do more research on those doctors who help people. I suffered from Crohn’s and SIBO from eating carbs, high fiber from fruits and vegetables. The inflammation caused other illnesses and almost 100lb weight gain over my adult life. I’m mostly carnivore and low carb with Keto and have lost 83lbs with curing my illnesses without medication. The biggest lesson you need to learn from the Magic Pill is that diets of mostly carbs can result in Type 3 Diabetes. Most Americans are clueless what that is but fear it the most. Ignorance isn’t bliss. I hope everyone who reads this gets woke. Look 👀 it up!
You should probably do a lot more research outside the handful of biased internet people you are listing, especially considering many are not trained or educated in the field of nutrition. I follow the ketogenic diet and i fully recognize that the longest living and healthiest places in the world are blue zones, which are 70-80% carbohydrates.
What is killing us is obesity and inactivity. This leads to a disease state. Being keto, without the weight loss is going to have minimal impact, especially if you are eating a lot of processed foods.
I follow keto, not to help with a disease state, but to help with hunger and the elimination of certain carbs helps me keep calories under control. The huge downside to keto is, i lost strength and my recovery is worse. And before we go into electrolyte imbalances, you fully address the requirements for those, to include magnesium supplementation.7 -
missysippy930 wrote: »Just to be perfectly clear, in my post quoted above, I’m disagreeing with the post @squirley13 made about her Chron’s being cured by keto diet, caused by carbs and high fiber. I’m well aware that there is no known cure. One of my closest friends has had Chron’s for years.
Yes I know. I was just agreeing with you
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amusedmonkey wrote: »squirley13 wrote: »butterfly_2019 wrote: »OK so I'm confused...I'm one of these people who reads/researches/watches numerous videos etc but is also a sponge and takes things in to much! I became interested in IF about 12 months ago, I read books (Dr Berg, Dr Fung, Dr Mosley etc), watched videos and learnt a whole lot along the way (or so I thought). Just before Summer I tried low carb high fat which I enjoyed, not just to lose weight but from what I was reading carbs cause all kinds of things to happen i.e. inflammation, insulin spikes, diabetes etc so I did it for both "health" and weight loss.
However, I then read how we need carbs, carbs are not bad, don't see carbs as the enemy, just stick to your calorie goal, we don't need carbs from grains but we need the carbs from veggies and so on and it confuses me.
People seem to have mixed reviews on this...Is it excessive carbs that cause these issues such as diabetes, weight gain, inflammation...
I also watched that film on Netflix...The Magic Pill and people on there were so anti-carb!
Carbs are the only macronutrient that isn’t essential. There are essential fats and essential proteins but no essential carbohydrates for sustaining life. Research more or the Low Carb and Keto doctors and biohackers on YouTube like Dr. Boz, Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Shawn Baker, Dr Eric Berg, Dr Mindy Pelz, Dr Josh Axe, Dr Nick Zyrowski, Dr. Sten Ekberg, Dr Paul Saladin, Siim Land, HVMN, Thomas DeLauer, and Fledge Fitness. There are dozens more for you will understand more of science and not the government’s agenda to brainwash the masses through bad information and poor education. The Magic Pill is by far the BEST Documentary. Oh Yes, All the doctors and scientists in that movie are amazing. Dr. Timothy Noakes is The BRAVEST for being so smart!
Actually, if you want to be technical, carbs are the most essential nutrient for life. It's so essential that we evolved to produce it when we don't have access to it to survive.
Correct. Its non essential from a dietary perspective since your body will make its own from amino acids and fatty acids via gluconeogenesis.
It should also be noted that red blood cells and your central nervous system require glucose and cannot run on ketones or fatty acids like other parts of your body.6 -
To address the original question. No carbs are not inherently bad for you. But consuming too much, just like consuming too much fat, is bad for you as it crowds important nutrients. More so, what is really bad for you is being obese, being inactive, smoking and excessive drinking.
Personally, i do think there are benefits of increasing some fats, especially from omega 3 sources (fish, chia, etc..), reducing ultra processed foods (chips, cookies, etc...) and increasing fiber. Along with weight loss and exercise (cardio and resistance training), that should provide fairly optimal results.7
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