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  • J72FITJ72FIT Posts: 5,440Member Member Posts: 5,440Member Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    saintor1 wrote: »
    SEVENTH

    Study made in Germany just published in the The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/105/3/dgz311/5740411

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    Our data show that the time of day of food intake makes a difference in humans’ energy expenditure and metabolic responses to meals.
    ...
    We clearlyshow that DIT is 2.5 times higher after breakfast than after dinner.
    ...
    Overall, the diurnal variations in DIT, independent of the calorie content of the meals, imply that the time of food intake is important not only in the prevention of obesity but also in terms of diets for weight loss.


    What even is DIT?

    dietary induced thermogenesis (DIT)

    thank you google-gods ;)

    Honestly wanted saintor to answer.

    Me too. Based on the thread so far I think he's unable to discuss what he posts.

    I also wonder why it seems to be so important. None of this stuff is sufficient to outweigh compliance factors (at best).

    In my experience, people like to complicate things. It makes them feel special...
  • AnnPT77AnnPT77 Posts: 14,254Member Member Posts: 14,254Member Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    saintor1 wrote: »
    SEVENTH

    Study made in Germany just published in the The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism
    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/105/3/dgz311/5740411

    Discussion

    Our data show that the time of day of food intake makes a difference in humans’ energy expenditure and metabolic responses to meals.
    ...
    We clearlyshow that DIT is 2.5 times higher after breakfast than after dinner.
    ...
    Overall, the diurnal variations in DIT, independent of the calorie content of the meals, imply that the time of food intake is important not only in the prevention of obesity but also in terms of diets for weight loss.


    What even is DIT?

    dietary induced thermogenesis (DIT)

    thank you google-gods ;)

    Honestly wanted saintor to answer.

    Me too. Based on the thread so far I think he's unable to discuss what he posts.

    I also wonder why it seems to be so important. None of this stuff is sufficient to outweigh compliance factors (at best).

    In my experience, people like to complicate things. It makes them feel special...

    Or a felt need to debunk the theory that calories are what matter for weight management, in this case?
  • NorthCascadesNorthCascades Posts: 9,601Member Member Posts: 9,601Member Member
    Sometimes an inch is the same as a meter, and sometimes a pound is five years.

    No, not really. An inch is an inch, a year is a year, and a calorie is a calorie.
  • J72FITJ72FIT Posts: 5,440Member Member Posts: 5,440Member Member
    Mellouk89 wrote: »
    I was 200lbs 6 months ago, I lost 45lbs eating 75% junk food. Right now i'm maintaining my weight eating 40-50% junk food, so I guess in terms of weight management a calorie is a calorie.

    This is true. The only caveat being, generally speaking, junk food is typically not as satiating as whole foods which could lead to over-eating. That said, I also suspect there is variability among individuals.
  • saintor1saintor1 Posts: 300Member Member Posts: 300Member Member
    Mellouk89 wrote: »
    I was 200lbs 6 months ago, I lost 45lbs eating 75% junk food. Right now i'm maintaining my weight eating 40-50% junk food, so I guess in terms of weight management a calorie is a calorie.

    Terrible conclusion. I guess that you didn't read anything, Those major studies show that if you eat most of your calories early in the days, you will lose weight quicker no matter the root cause. I gather that your experience has nothing to do with that.
  • eek711eek711 Posts: 6Member Member Posts: 6Member Member
    pretty unscientific test. No control, and 4 out of 7 days are self reported? Lots of room for cheating, and it would be way more tempting to cheat on a small breakfast.
  • tony56prtony56pr Posts: 133Member Member Posts: 133Member Member
    All the comments about that they should have lost more weight need to realize everyone's metabolism is NOT the same. Age, activity level, muscle mass, etc. make this study very difficult to authenticate let alone compare to you or whoever's journey.

    If BF group had a history of training or physically demanding jobs and had more muscle than the other group this could account for difference as well. Even if height and weight is the same chances of finding 2 men or women with same physical makeup would be hard let alone 30 or 60. If you had more woman with higher muscle mass (higher metabolism=greater calorie burn and more weight loss) in BF group then this would make group average weight loss higher.
  • AnnPT77AnnPT77 Posts: 14,254Member Member Posts: 14,254Member Member
    tony56pr wrote: »
    All the comments about that they should have lost more weight need to realize everyone's metabolism is NOT the same. Age, activity level, muscle mass, etc. make this study very difficult to authenticate let alone compare to you or whoever's journey.

    If BF group had a history of training or physically demanding jobs and had more muscle than the other group this could account for difference as well. Even if height and weight is the same chances of finding 2 men or women with same physical makeup would be hard let alone 30 or 60. If you had more woman with higher muscle mass (higher metabolism=greater calorie burn and more weight loss) in BF group then this would make group average weight loss higher.

    Different metabolisms don't mean a dramatically different number of calories in a pound, per better-controlled research (possible slightly different activity-level adaptation to NEAT expenditures, but that effect is small).

    Occam's razor suggests compliance accuracy problems, given the studies' designs.
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