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BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Genuine question here, this is not directed at anyone but is something I’ve thought about when the subject of ‘children falling behind with schooling’ comes up.
Who exactly are they ‘falling behind’? The virus impacts their whole peer group not just a select few. If they’re all effected by either school closures, home schooling, online learning, limited contact teaching or whatever measures are in place where they live, then they’re all equally disadvantaged.
An entire generation world wide is in the same situation, so it’s not as if when it comes to finding their place in the world when they leave education they’ll be up against their peers who had a different experience.
Unless by then we’ve been invaded by people from other planets where COVID didn’t exist! 😂
I think the "disparate impact" is happening with respect to families in more difficult situations.
Before going on, I want to underscore that I support most of the restrictions that are in place as public health measures. Now, I'm going on . . . .
Families where both parents have to work, who don't have other family members/friends to supervise their children's home schooling, are at a relative disadvantage to children who have a parent or other in the home to provide that supervision. Even with a parent in the home, students with attentive or well-educated parents may be at an advantage, compared to students whose parents are struggling psychologically themselves, or whose own educational success was very limited.
Families that are relatively wealthier can afford technology or education-advancement services and products that may advantage their children, as compared with families in financially insecure situations. (This is not just "extras", but perhaps the difference between following an online class at home on a nice laptop with fast internet, vs. somewhere in a public library parking lot on a smart phone.) Children in smaller, crowded living quarters with more family members (or an extended household) are potentially at a disadvantage when it comes to noise, distractions, etc., vs. children who have a quiet, suitably set-up place to do their online schooling.
And so forth.
That's in addition to personal personality factors that differ between children.
Yes, and all of this was true before the pandemic. There has always been a disparity in resources and opportunities depending on a child's home life. Just because kids are sitting together in a brick and mortar classroom doesn't mean they are all having an equal educational experience. Those homelife variables are going to be a powerful influence whether you're virtual or in-person. It's interesting that the public is just starting to notice or care about this. Teachers already know this.
I wouldn't argue with any of that - yes, disparities are always present.
I do think the pandemic adaptations may amplify that effect, however. On the one hand, we expect too much of schools and teachers - expect that they can overcome those disparities. On the other hand, we don't recognize and value what teachers and schools do accomplish, as much as we should - they do counterbalance some of the disparities, to a certain extent, in the best cases. To some extent, they still do, even in current circumstances. But current circumstances make that more difficult than usual, even.4 -
Some positive news. There were zero new COVID cases in the community for a couple of days right across the whole of Australia this week although there of course is a chance it's still still circulating in the community undetected. See how things go I guess.16
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »I was expecting to wait awhile before I was even eligible for the vaccine, feeling kind of okay with that because I would rather see how side effects play out. But I received a note in the mail today, because I help care for my BIL I'm eligible for the vaccine now and need to call our local hospital by the 20th to set up an appt.
The 1st shot doesn't scare me but the 2nd one does, only because I've heard people get worse reactions with that one.
I'm 67, pretty healthy as far as it all goes, had Covid(Blessedly mild) back around Thanksgiving but just not knowing how it'll affect me leaves me apprehensive.
Any encouraging words to offer?
Thank you!!
Reenie, have you gotten the shingles vaccine? I have to say, after listening to conversations about vaccines for the last month or two, I am looking forward to the covid vaccines and kind of scared of the shingles one!
Sore arm a couple times and $400 out the door NBD.
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We need to get people vaccinated ASAP! We need herd immunity.
U.S. potentially facing ‘perpetual infection’ of Covid in spring as new variants spread, warns Dr. Scott Gottlieb
“If we can’t get more protective immunity into the population, we could be facing a situation where we have, sort of, a perpetual infection heading into the spring and summer as these variants get a foothold here,” said Dr. Scott Gottlieb.
Researchers at Ohio State found a new Covid strain in the U.S. with mutations that scientists haven’t seen before.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/14/us-potentially-facing-perpetual-infection-of-covid-says-gottlieb.html3 -
BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »Genuine question here, this is not directed at anyone but is something I’ve thought about when the subject of ‘children falling behind with schooling’ comes up.
Who exactly are they ‘falling behind’? The virus impacts their whole peer group not just a select few. If they’re all effected by either school closures, home schooling, online learning, limited contact teaching or whatever measures are in place where they live, then they’re all equally disadvantaged.
An entire generation world wide is in the same situation, so it’s not as if when it comes to finding their place in the world when they leave education they’ll be up against their peers who had a different experience.
Unless by then we’ve been invaded by people from other planets where COVID didn’t exist! 😂
Here in Chicago, this is the situation:
Lots of people in my (middle to upper middle class neighborhood) have been trying to improve the public schools, with lots of success in the elementary schools (grades K-8), less for the much larger high school, which still is mostly people from outside the neighborhood. With Covid, many of the people focused on improving the local elementaries created pods to share teaching with other parents in the area. Others didn't, but had the resources to basically work with virtual learning to teach kids from home (while working from home). But the vast majority of Chicago Public Schools (CPS) students are from poor families who lack the resources to teach kids from home or to even be home as their jobs are ones that require them to work outside the house during Covid. So there's a disparity inherent in this, most significant in large city public schools, likely (where the teachers unions are most likely to prevent reopening also).
Private and parochial schools, unlike public schools, have here reopened, and from talking to friends with kids in Catholic schools, it's gone pretty well.
So it is true that poor kids (who already were at a disadvantage for similar reasons) are most affected by the school closures. Based on what I've heard from school teacher friends/relatives, however, it is also better off people pushing for reopening and less well off people more worried about reopening schools and choosing virtual learning vs in person when choices are given.
Chicago knew there was an issue with income and access so made a huge effort when covid hit and schools were closed to provide people with iPads and internet access, and actually did a good job with that, and still the percentage who never showed up for virtual learning was huge. Again, a huge part of that is personality, but also whether your parents are involved and force you.5 -
@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
I agree we were told several weeks, and thought that would be the case if people complied (as it was in AU and NZ, for example). For various reasons that did not work. But "several weeks" is quite different from "2 weeks" and "several weeks" is what I recall. I'm frustrated there was not better compliance, as I do think several weeks would have been sufficient with good compliance (see AU).7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
One of the big issues here is that we weren't even able to see what two weeks or several weeks of an actual lockdown would do. Everything was left to individual states. There were states who never shut anything down at all...others put in minimal restrictions...others shut down, but very quickly opened everything back up to almost normal. That's like having a special area of the swimming pool that it's ok to pee in. The only way anything like two weeks or several weeks would have worked is if everyone was on the same page and doing the same thing. This is pretty evident just by observing other countries that have effectively controlled the virus.
Also, if you remember back to March and the two week plan or the CDC and Fauci saying it would be longer...part of all of that was slow, phased opening up...which should have also been an indication to people that restrictions would go on considerably longer. Honestly, if anyone legitimately thought it would be a couple of weeks or several weeks and then we'd just be back to pre COVID life, I would have to question if they were actually paying attention to what was happening in the world around them.
There wasn't even a phased opening in many states...and even more states that were opening in phases, but not really following any kind of guideline as to what should or would be open in any given phase of re-opening.
There is a reason that the USA leads the world in COVID positivity rates...there is a reason other countries have been able to control the virus...
While all valid, my original post was simply in response to someone (don't recall who) stating that they never heard any two weeks statement, so I showed the surgeon general and the 15 days to slow the spread announced last March to show that there was something (not whether it was good or bad).
Then people said, well that statement was not from a scientist like Fauci. So I showed Fauci said fairly similar around the same time. My posts all have roots in the single original comment about never hearing of a "two week" plan.
I think there was a couple of us...I was one. It wasn't so much that I had never heard a two weeks statement, it was more to the point that even with that two weeks, there was a much longer phased opening plan...so I guess I never heard 2 weeks and then we're done and back to normal pre-COVID. Most of what I heard on national news from the beginning was that we would be in a long period of restrictions...easing of restrictions...tightening of restrictions again, etc until a vaccine was not only available, but widely distributed. My assumption from the beginning was that we'd be living this well into 2021...maybe that's why I'm not as frustrated with things as some and I don't think it's a big conspiracy as many think...I've mentally been in this as a long haul kind of thing since March.
Reflecting back on things I thought about last spring. I was preparing for fast and devastating over a short term. I recall buying foods that did not need electricity to store or to prepare. I was buying gallons of water. Enough to last a few weeks. I was instructing my adult kids to to the same. I was not thinking this was going to be a long-haul.
I was preparing for two weeks last spring because that's what the quarantine period was. Here's a post from March 3, 2020 Me:kshama2001 wrote: »As far as preparing, I'm am stocking up on food sufficient for a couple weeks. Just enough in case there were a requirement to self-quarantine at home for a period of time. Not hording anything, but putting a couple extra packs of chicken and fish and frozen vegetables in the freezer, as well as the typical staples eggs, rice, bread, that keep well. There hasn't been any confirmed cases in my area yet, but I don't want to be behind the curve in case people get stupid once a few are reported.
I just listened to Radio Boston with guest Dr. Leonard Marcus, founding Co-Director of the National Preparedness Leadership Initiative, a collaborative effort of HSPH and the Kennedy School of Government, developed in collaboration with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the White House, and the Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Defense.
At the end of the show when asked to pass along one key message, he said, "The key message is: Get prepared to be quarantined... what would you do? Have the procedures, have the food, go through the drill with your friends and family.
Host: And that means food and medications, right?
Lenny: All of your essentials. ...imagine that you will be out of the loop for two weeks and prepare yourself for that eventuality.
But that was for being sick with the virus right? I think of "quarantine" as being sick and being locked down in your home. We still have our stash of shelf stable essentials in the event we have to quarantine for two weeks, as well as our plan...which is basically if one of us get sick, that person is quarantined to the master bedroom in that it has a bathroom and a door to a patio for fresh air, and food can be left at the door. If all of us are sick, it doesn't much matter...
Yeah, I was preparing 2 weeks of easy to prepare no shopping necessary foods based on maybe being sick. Beyond that, we were obviously able to shop so what I bought had no relevance to what I expected the shut down to be. Soon after both IL and MI had shut down orders I talked to opposing counsel in MI and discussed our stay at home orders, and we both (at the time) said to the end of Apr currently but most certainly to the end of May. At the time I never would have guessed that they would last to now, but I knew they were going for "several weeks."5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »I was expecting to wait awhile before I was even eligible for the vaccine, feeling kind of okay with that because I would rather see how side effects play out. But I received a note in the mail today, because I help care for my BIL I'm eligible for the vaccine now and need to call our local hospital by the 20th to set up an appt.
The 1st shot doesn't scare me but the 2nd one does, only because I've heard people get worse reactions with that one.
I'm 67, pretty healthy as far as it all goes, had Covid(Blessedly mild) back around Thanksgiving but just not knowing how it'll affect me leaves me apprehensive.
Any encouraging words to offer?
Thank you!!
The last time I had a flu shot was 30 years ago and I had a really bad reaction, but last fall when medical experts I trusted were recommending the flu shot I did get it.
I imagine the bad reactions you are hearing about are anecdotes rather than statistics?
@kimny72 - any thoughts on this?
I had my first shingles shot at the same time that I got my first flu shot. I had a bad reaction to both. The second shingles shot wasn't as bad. Knowing I probably won't get it was definitely worth the sore arm.
My high school had a fall out shelter in the library, probably in the basement. I never saw it. We never did nuclear fall-out drills, though I was the right age for them (born in the '50s). However, I left my church because one day at mass, the priest pointed to one of the altar girls and said, "This little girl will never live to grow up. She'll be killed by a nuclear bomb before she reaches adulthood." He was an ardent pacifist, but I really thought that was too much to put on that poor child. I never went back, but I did wonder whether that affected her as badly as it upset me.
I think most kids will get over the current Covid crisis. Yes, there may be gaps in their education and in their social skills. But that can happen for a lot of reasons besides pandemic. Children who grew up in the 1930s or 1940s had it much worse. Children who grew up before the 20th century lived with death all around them, all the time, and that is still true in many parts of the world. For the current generation of kids, since all their peers are going through the same thing, it may end up as a badge of honor, the year that everyone was in quarantine. My husband grew up in a very poor Pennsylvania coal mining town. His father was killed in Korea and he was raised by his mother on her widow's pension. They were dirt poor. So was everybody they knew, so it never bothered him.13 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »On the plus side, for her doctor's appointments - they have stopped overbooking and now she can get in and out. But now I'm aware of the issue of medical overbooking and will be very annoyed by it when it starts happening again. I've been really enjoying all these mostly empty waiting rooms for my own medical issues.
Not sure where you live.
In Australia, waiting rooms are less full than they used to be because Medicare has approved phone consults, I think until the end of March, at this stage.
The bookings are not any less full, just many of the patients are not physically in the surgery.
I think Telehealth is here to stay..
The temporary telehealth services that were introduced by the Australian Government at the start of the pandemic will become a permanent part of the Australian Medicare system, Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt said on Friday last week.( from a Nov 2020 news article)
Will be interesting to see how this goes over the longer term.
There are already restrictions on it - is now only available for patients who have been regular patient for at least 12 months.2 -
I was expecting to wait awhile before I was even eligible for the vaccine, feeling kind of okay with that because I would rather see how side effects play out. But I received a note in the mail today, because I help care for my BIL I'm eligible for the vaccine now and need to call our local hospital by the 20th to set up an appt.
The 1st shot doesn't scare me but the 2nd one does, only because I've heard people get worse reactions with that one.
I'm 67, pretty healthy as far as it all goes, had Covid(Blessedly mild) back around Thanksgiving but just not knowing how it'll affect me leaves me apprehensive.
Any encouraging words to offer?
Thank you!!
Reenie, have you gotten the shingles vaccine? I have to say, after listening to conversations about vaccines for the last month or two, I am looking forward to the covid vaccines and kind of scared of the shingles one!
In my work, I have given hundreds of shingles vaccines - no more reactions than any other vaccine.
As with all vaccines some people get sore arm and /or redness and swelling.
But doesn't seem any more so than any other vaccine.
It is a live vaccine though so some people cannot have it.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »I was expecting to wait awhile before I was even eligible for the vaccine, feeling kind of okay with that because I would rather see how side effects play out. But I received a note in the mail today, because I help care for my BIL I'm eligible for the vaccine now and need to call our local hospital by the 20th to set up an appt.
The 1st shot doesn't scare me but the 2nd one does, only because I've heard people get worse reactions with that one.
I'm 67, pretty healthy as far as it all goes, had Covid(Blessedly mild) back around Thanksgiving but just not knowing how it'll affect me leaves me apprehensive.
Any encouraging words to offer?
Thank you!!
Reenie, have you gotten the shingles vaccine? I have to say, after listening to conversations about vaccines for the last month or two, I am looking forward to the covid vaccines and kind of scared of the shingles one!
In my work, I have given hundreds of shingles vaccines - no more reactions than any other vaccine.
As with all vaccines some people get sore arm and /or redness and swelling.
But doesn't seem any more so than any other vaccine.
It is a live vaccine though so some people cannot have it.
Who should not have the shingles vaccine? Curious
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corinasue1143 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I was expecting to wait awhile before I was even eligible for the vaccine, feeling kind of okay with that because I would rather see how side effects play out. But I received a note in the mail today, because I help care for my BIL I'm eligible for the vaccine now and need to call our local hospital by the 20th to set up an appt.
The 1st shot doesn't scare me but the 2nd one does, only because I've heard people get worse reactions with that one.
I'm 67, pretty healthy as far as it all goes, had Covid(Blessedly mild) back around Thanksgiving but just not knowing how it'll affect me leaves me apprehensive.
Any encouraging words to offer?
Thank you!!
Reenie, have you gotten the shingles vaccine? I have to say, after listening to conversations about vaccines for the last month or two, I am looking forward to the covid vaccines and kind of scared of the shingles one!
In my work, I have given hundreds of shingles vaccines - no more reactions than any other vaccine.
As with all vaccines some people get sore arm and /or redness and swelling.
But doesn't seem any more so than any other vaccine.
It is a live vaccine though so some people cannot have it.
Who should not have the shingles vaccine? Curious
It is a live vaccine -so same as any live vaccines (eg MMR) people with suppressed immunity should not have it- ie those on immunosuppressant meds such as chemotherapy,organ transplant reciprients, people on dialysis, people with HIV, those on some heavy duty meds for other conditions eg methotrexate.
also pregnant women - but since Zostavax only approved for people over 50, this isnt usually an issue.9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
One of the big issues here is that we weren't even able to see what two weeks or several weeks of an actual lockdown would do. Everything was left to individual states. There were states who never shut anything down at all...others put in minimal restrictions...others shut down, but very quickly opened everything back up to almost normal. That's like having a special area of the swimming pool that it's ok to pee in. The only way anything like two weeks or several weeks would have worked is if everyone was on the same page and doing the same thing. This is pretty evident just by observing other countries that have effectively controlled the virus.
Also, if you remember back to March and the two week plan or the CDC and Fauci saying it would be longer...part of all of that was slow, phased opening up...which should have also been an indication to people that restrictions would go on considerably longer. Honestly, if anyone legitimately thought it would be a couple of weeks or several weeks and then we'd just be back to pre COVID life, I would have to question if they were actually paying attention to what was happening in the world around them.
There wasn't even a phased opening in many states...and even more states that were opening in phases, but not really following any kind of guideline as to what should or would be open in any given phase of re-opening.
There is a reason that the USA leads the world in COVID positivity rates...there is a reason other countries have been able to control the virus...
While all valid, my original post was simply in response to someone (don't recall who) stating that they never heard any two weeks statement, so I showed the surgeon general and the 15 days to slow the spread announced last March to show that there was something (not whether it was good or bad).
Then people said, well that statement was not from a scientist like Fauci. So I showed Fauci said fairly similar around the same time. My posts all have roots in the single original comment about never hearing of a "two week" plan.
It was 2 weeks to "slow the spread" not END the spread. We were supposed to be flattening the curve so resources would not be overwhelmed by a sudden, massive spike of infections. It was supposed to give us time to prepare for the coming onslaught. Although the time seemed to be squandered... Did anyone really say or even think it would be over in 2 weeks?
The only person telling us it would magically completely disappear soon was the president. I can see how people who believed his statements would be disappointed when the pandemic kept going...
I'm not sure you can say that Fauci's comment was "equally wrong" since he said it would be several weeks with restrictions in place to get things under control. Since we never actually had anything consistent and coordinated in place, we can't actually know if he would have been right or wrong. We never did the things he told us we needed to do.
And if you back and read the Fauci quotes in this thread, making sure to read all the text around what was bolded, he was actually saying "at least several weeks" and "several weeks or longer."10 -
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I'll get the vaccine when my turn comes, but I can't say I'm too unhappy about being in the last priority (general public) group, because going into an enclosed space with dozens or scores of people lined up and waiting will be pretty much the highest-risk thing I've done since the pandemic began, except maybe for giving blood, but I'm expecting the waiting areas for the vaccine to have a lot more people in them than a blood drive. I'm not eager for the irony of getting covid while waiting in line for the vaccine.
Hopefully by the time my turn comes, we won't be in a surge, we won't be facing a brand new mutation that is creating greater transmission, and the effect of all the earlier priority groups getting vaccinated will be tamping down on the spread (assuming that at least some of the vaccines limit the recipients' ability to spread the vaccine).6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I'll get the vaccine when my turn comes, but I can't say I'm too unhappy about being in the last priority (general public) group, because going into an enclosed space with dozens or scores of people lined up and waiting will be pretty much the highest-risk thing I've done since the pandemic began, except maybe for giving blood, but I'm expecting the waiting areas for the vaccine to have a lot more people in them than a blood drive. I'm not eager for the irony of getting covid while waiting in line for the vaccine.
Hopefully by the time my turn comes, we won't be in a surge, we won't be facing a brand new mutation that is creating greater transmission, and the effect of all the earlier priority groups getting vaccinated will be tamping down on the spread (assuming that at least some of the vaccines limit the recipients' ability to spread the vaccine).
And hopefully by the time your turn comes the roll out will be smoother, too. They just opened up the next tier here in Southern California. My husband and sister are both "frontline essential workers." Within the first hour or two of opening appointments they were completely filled. My sister got one right before the system was overwhelmed. My husband wasn't able to get one and he tried within 15 minutes of her. None of his co-workers managed to snag one either. Apparently the rest of the month is already booked solid.
And yet they keep putting out news stories telling people it's their turn and it's time to sign up. That's going to cause unnecessary frustration when people are told it's their turn and then it turns out they can't get it.
There's HUGE demand here. People want it. Not sure if it's a supply problem or if they just don't have the logistics down (staff and venues) for actually getting it out there.
This newest tier was supposed to be frontline essential people and 75+. There aren't as many 75+ people as other age groups, so that would have allowed the more vulnerable elderly group in the general population to squeeze in earlier and also get all those frontline workers covered.
But they decided to open it up to 65+ and were almost instantly swamped. 65+ is a much larger population group than 75+. Way too many people at one time for them to handle...now it's just a real patchwork of people getting it...and more frontline and 75+ people NOT getting it than getting it.
I guess we'll just see how this goes...5 -
@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
I agree we were told several weeks, and thought that would be the case if people complied (as it was in AU and NZ, for example). For various reasons that did not work. But "several weeks" is quite different from "2 weeks" and "several weeks" is what I recall. I'm frustrated there was not better compliance, as I do think several weeks would have been sufficient with good compliance (see AU).
A perfect example of Australian compliance and restrictions took place in my part of Australia last week. We had one COVID positive result in a woman who was a cleaner in a COVID quarantine hotel. Our state government's response was to enforce a three-day lockdown (Sat, Sun, Mon with less than 12 hours notice) with the possibility of extension once extensive testing took place in the areas this woman had visited. Other than her partner, not one other person has contracted the virus from her (as far as we know). Our state government has enforced mask-wearing in all public enclosed places for a further 10 days and we continue to have zero new community cases each day. We in Australia understand that, in our current, overall very good position, occasional lockdowns are accepted and followed because it has been proven to work.16 -
I was expecting to wait awhile before I was even eligible for the vaccine, feeling kind of okay with that because I would rather see how side effects play out. But I received a note in the mail today, because I help care for my BIL I'm eligible for the vaccine now and need to call our local hospital by the 20th to set up an appt.
The 1st shot doesn't scare me but the 2nd one does, only because I've heard people get worse reactions with that one.
I'm 67, pretty healthy as far as it all goes, had Covid(Blessedly mild) back around Thanksgiving but just not knowing how it'll affect me leaves me apprehensive.
Any encouraging words to offer?
Thank you!!
Reenie, have you gotten the shingles vaccine? I have to say, after listening to conversations about vaccines for the last month or two, I am looking forward to the covid vaccines and kind of scared of the shingles one!
Last winter I had 4 shots, the flu, shingles and pneumonia; one required a 2nd shot but can't remember which one it was.
I felt kind of icky the next day, nothing debilitating, just wanted to sleep it off.. but unfortunately having had so many shots I honestly couldn't tell you which 1 it was. I've never had a reaction more than a sore arm from any injection before.
I know my dad had Shingles and it wasn't fun so even if the injection has a side affect, it's worth it.
I've now heard if you've had Covid then the Covid vaccine is worst with the 1st one, if you haven't had Covid the 2nd injection will give you a bigger effect. Everything is so darn confusing about all of it.
I visit another forum where Covid vaccine is a big topic and someone reported knowing 7 people that have been vaccinated so far. Five with sore arms, 1had flu like symptoms for a weekend but the 7th was hospitalized with breathing issues but is a person with 22 yrs. under his belt of smoker's lungs. 1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
One of the big issues here is that we weren't even able to see what two weeks or several weeks of an actual lockdown would do. Everything was left to individual states. There were states who never shut anything down at all...others put in minimal restrictions...others shut down, but very quickly opened everything back up to almost normal. That's like having a special area of the swimming pool that it's ok to pee in. The only way anything like two weeks or several weeks would have worked is if everyone was on the same page and doing the same thing. This is pretty evident just by observing other countries that have effectively controlled the virus.
Also, if you remember back to March and the two week plan or the CDC and Fauci saying it would be longer...part of all of that was slow, phased opening up...which should have also been an indication to people that restrictions would go on considerably longer. Honestly, if anyone legitimately thought it would be a couple of weeks or several weeks and then we'd just be back to pre COVID life, I would have to question if they were actually paying attention to what was happening in the world around them.
There wasn't even a phased opening in many states...and even more states that were opening in phases, but not really following any kind of guideline as to what should or would be open in any given phase of re-opening.
There is a reason that the USA leads the world in COVID positivity rates...there is a reason other countries have been able to control the virus...
While all valid, my original post was simply in response to someone (don't recall who) stating that they never heard any two weeks statement, so I showed the surgeon general and the 15 days to slow the spread announced last March to show that there was something (not whether it was good or bad).
Then people said, well that statement was not from a scientist like Fauci. So I showed Fauci said fairly similar around the same time. My posts all have roots in the single original comment about never hearing of a "two week" plan.
It was 2 weeks to "slow the spread" not END the spread. We were supposed to be flattening the curve so resources would not be overwhelmed by a sudden, massive spike of infections. It was supposed to give us time to prepare for the coming onslaught. Although the time seemed to be squandered... Did anyone really say or even think it would be over in 2 weeks?
The only person telling us it would magically completely disappear soon was the president. I can see how people who believed his statements would be disappointed when the pandemic kept going...
I'm not sure you can say that Fauci's comment was "equally wrong" since he said it would be several weeks with restrictions in place to get things under control. Since we never actually had anything consistent and coordinated in place, we can't actually know if he would have been right or wrong. We never did the things he told us we needed to do.
And if you back and read the Fauci quotes in this thread, making sure to read all the text around what was bolded, he was actually saying "at least several weeks" and "several weeks or longer."
True, but if I were have a repair done and the contractor stated servers weeks or longer back mid-March, I would expect it to be complete by some point in May.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »@kshama2001 and @cwolfman13 I respect both your replies pointing out how the surgeon general is part of an administration and is therefore not apolitical. But, the other part of the original comment, which I also addressed, was how the 15 days to slow the spread did not "come from Fauci". As I quoted above, at the same approximate point in time, Fauci was stating "several weeks". In the overcall experience we have had, the 15 days of the surgeon general vs the several weeks stated by Fauci were equally wrong.
One of the big issues here is that we weren't even able to see what two weeks or several weeks of an actual lockdown would do. Everything was left to individual states. There were states who never shut anything down at all...others put in minimal restrictions...others shut down, but very quickly opened everything back up to almost normal. That's like having a special area of the swimming pool that it's ok to pee in. The only way anything like two weeks or several weeks would have worked is if everyone was on the same page and doing the same thing. This is pretty evident just by observing other countries that have effectively controlled the virus.
Also, if you remember back to March and the two week plan or the CDC and Fauci saying it would be longer...part of all of that was slow, phased opening up...which should have also been an indication to people that restrictions would go on considerably longer. Honestly, if anyone legitimately thought it would be a couple of weeks or several weeks and then we'd just be back to pre COVID life, I would have to question if they were actually paying attention to what was happening in the world around them.
There wasn't even a phased opening in many states...and even more states that were opening in phases, but not really following any kind of guideline as to what should or would be open in any given phase of re-opening.
There is a reason that the USA leads the world in COVID positivity rates...there is a reason other countries have been able to control the virus...
While all valid, my original post was simply in response to someone (don't recall who) stating that they never heard any two weeks statement, so I showed the surgeon general and the 15 days to slow the spread announced last March to show that there was something (not whether it was good or bad).
Then people said, well that statement was not from a scientist like Fauci. So I showed Fauci said fairly similar around the same time. My posts all have roots in the single original comment about never hearing of a "two week" plan.
It was 2 weeks to "slow the spread" not END the spread. We were supposed to be flattening the curve so resources would not be overwhelmed by a sudden, massive spike of infections. It was supposed to give us time to prepare for the coming onslaught. Although the time seemed to be squandered... Did anyone really say or even think it would be over in 2 weeks?
The only person telling us it would magically completely disappear soon was the president. I can see how people who believed his statements would be disappointed when the pandemic kept going...
I'm not sure you can say that Fauci's comment was "equally wrong" since he said it would be several weeks with restrictions in place to get things under control. Since we never actually had anything consistent and coordinated in place, we can't actually know if he would have been right or wrong. We never did the things he told us we needed to do.
And if you back and read the Fauci quotes in this thread, making sure to read all the text around what was bolded, he was actually saying "at least several weeks" and "several weeks or longer."
True, but if I were have a repair done and the contractor stated servers weeks or longer back mid-March, I would expect it to be complete by some point in May.
Unfortunately, 'in these times', yes those dreaded words again, it doesn't happen like it used to. We just had a bathroom reno, looking at replacing some windows and possibly redoing our kitchen, so I've heard this estimate of time several times now.
I'm sure it's much more so with anything that dares to be promised about Covid. 3
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