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COVID19 - To Vaccinate or To Not Vaccinate
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hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Yes, respiratory illnesses of all kinds can have long-term adverse affects. What's not typical is for millions of Americans to all get a respiratory infection in the same year.
If 25 million people were getting pneumonia every year, with half a million dying and let's say another half a million surviving but having their quality of life downgraded, we would've had the exact same push for lockdown, distancing, and vaccinating we're having for covid-19. But instead it's more like 1 million people annually and 50,000 dying.
Just wanted to add to this - I actually think it's a shame that we don't routinely mask during flu season and do more to inconvenience people who don't get the flu vaccine. I think it would be worth it to save the health and lives of some of the thousands of people who suffer long term health implications or die from getting pneumonia from a cold or flu. I'm sure that makes me a bleeding heart socialist sheeple or whatever, but I'd like to live in a world where protecting the people in our communities was important to all of us.
My parents have a tough time getting a decent cell signal in their house and were really hoping the vaccine microchip would help, but no luck. Interestingly, my parents believe that the scope of the pandemic has been overblown and the death numbers inflated, but they both jumped to get the vaccine when offered. They saw no believable reason to fear it and figured if everyone would just shut up and get the vaccine, we can all just get back to our lives. I do hope that more practical view catches on in the covid-denying group.13 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Yes, respiratory illnesses of all kinds can have long-term adverse affects. What's not typical is for millions of Americans to all get a respiratory infection in the same year.
If 25 million people were getting pneumonia every year, with half a million dying and let's say another half a million surviving but having their quality of life downgraded, we would've had the exact same push for lockdown, distancing, and vaccinating we're having for covid-19. But instead it's more like 1 million people annually and 50,000 dying.
Just wanted to add to this - I actually think it's a shame that we don't routinely mask during flu season and do more to inconvenience people who don't get the flu vaccine. I think it would be worth it to save the health and lives of some of the thousands of people who suffer long term health implications or die from getting pneumonia from a cold or flu. I'm sure that makes me a bleeding heart socialist sheeple or whatever, but I'd like to live in a world where protecting the people in our communities was important to all of us.
My parents have a tough time getting a decent cell signal in their house and were really hoping the vaccine microchip would help, but no luck. Interestingly, my parents believe that the scope of the pandemic has been overblown and the death numbers inflated, but they both jumped to get the vaccine when offered. They saw no believable reason to fear it and figured if everyone would just shut up and get the vaccine, we can all just get back to our lives. I do hope that more practical view catches on in the covid-denying group.
I do hope that one thing that comes out of this is that people do take going out while ill more seriously.
In a lot of workplaces, it was pretty normalized to come to work even if you were hacking and sneezing. Maybe we'll all be more thoughtful about that now.
(To be clear, I'm not talking about people who HAVE to work because they may lose their job or have insufficient sick days and may not be able to pay their rent if they call in sick. I'm talking about situations where we have a decent sick time policy and the ability to work from home and you'd still see people come in with obvious illnesses.
Pre-pandemic, this was very common in my office).6 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »pfeiferlindsey wrote: »Analog_Kid wrote: »Throughout the pandemic, the US COVID mortality rate has steadily hovered around 0.017%
Since deploying the vaccine, the average mortality rate hasn't changed.
With or without the vaccine, COVID has a 99.98% survival rate.
Those aren't bad odds.
Bad odds? Are you kidding me? I'll entertain your 99.98% survival rate. Out of the survival rate, we still don't know the long term impact of COVID-19. My coworker that "survived" is basically disabled at the moment. Brain swelling, heart swelling, she still has trouble breathing. She MIGHT be able to come back to work in a few weeks with restrictions if the new glasses she got for the double/blurry/prism vision helps and she's not exhausted all the time.
But yes, keep spouting that 99.98% "survive".
Same thing happens to many people from contracting respiratory illnesses EVERY year.
Long term health effects are actually very common. Propaganda parroting is something you are good at.
I have never the same since getting pneumonia over a decade ago for one. I know many more.
Yes, respiratory illnesses of all kinds can have long-term adverse affects. What's not typical is for millions of Americans to all get a respiratory infection in the same year.
If 25 million people were getting pneumonia every year, with half a million dying and let's say another half a million surviving but having their quality of life downgraded, we would've had the exact same push for lockdown, distancing, and vaccinating we're having for covid-19. But instead it's more like 1 million people annually and 50,000 dying.
Just wanted to add to this - I actually think it's a shame that we don't routinely mask during flu season and do more to inconvenience people who don't get the flu vaccine. I think it would be worth it to save the health and lives of some of the thousands of people who suffer long term health implications or die from getting pneumonia from a cold or flu. I'm sure that makes me a bleeding heart socialist sheeple or whatever, but I'd like to live in a world where protecting the people in our communities was important to all of us.
My parents have a tough time getting a decent cell signal in their house and were really hoping the vaccine microchip would help, but no luck. Interestingly, my parents believe that the scope of the pandemic has been overblown and the death numbers inflated, but they both jumped to get the vaccine when offered. They saw no believable reason to fear it and figured if everyone would just shut up and get the vaccine, we can all just get back to our lives. I do hope that more practical view catches on in the covid-denying group.
I will sheepishly admit that I, until recently, was not fond of the flu vaccine. Last year, we decided we didn't want to play the game of, "Is it flu or is it COVID?" and we all got our flu vaccine. I'm sure it was a combination of the shot, social distancing and masking, but the only illness that struck the house over the winter was strep throat for my daughter and a head cold for my husband (both did receive a COVID test to be safe). I'm sold on the flu vaccine. Normally my daughter is knocked out for a min. of 1 week a year with a flu-like illness.
I agree, I do hope masking sticks around. But given the fact people meltdown over being asked to wear one when they go grocery shopping, I don't have much hope.5 -
I've had the flu once as an adult. It was miserable. Much worse than I remembered from childhood. Spent $200+ on Theraflu. That was more than ten years ago, I've never missed a flu shot since, and I've never had the flu again. I know luck plays a role in that, the flu vaccine is less effective than the covid vaccines. But it stacks the deck heavily in my favor. I really don't like feeling crappy, this is a cheap, easy, and safe way to avoid it.11
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I am grateful that wearing a mask does not bother me. Do I love it? No. At the end of the day is it a deal breaker? No...
I have a tried many, many different ones to find something I felt comfortable in. TBH, I sometimes forget I’m wearing it driving by myself when I’m in a car (yes, I’m that dork) or when I’m in my office at work with the door shut). I’ve gotten used to it. When we had to start wearing them, I never thought I would.2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
But I’ll bet it wouldn’t taste that good. 😉0 -
NorthCascades wrote: »I've had the flu once as an adult. It was miserable. Much worse than I remembered from childhood. Spent $200+ on Theraflu. That was more than ten years ago, I've never missed a flu shot since, and I've never had the flu again. I know luck plays a role in that, the flu vaccine is less effective than the covid vaccines. But it stacks the deck heavily in my favor. I really don't like feeling crappy, this is a cheap, easy, and safe way to avoid it.
Every year I would get sick, be miserable, and promise myself that "next year I will get the shot". And then I never did. This past fall there was a big push on for everyone to get their flu shot and my doctors office had a walk in clinic so I did get it, hopefully I will keep it up from now on.2 -
I am grateful that wearing a mask does not bother me. Do I love it? No. At the end of the day is it a deal breaker? No...
I have a tried many, many different ones to find something I felt comfortable in. TBH, I sometimes forget I’m wearing it driving by myself when I’m in a car (yes, I’m that dork) or when I’m in my office at work with the door shut). I’ve gotten used to it. When we had to start wearing them, I never thought I would.
I'm that dork, too, and it makes me eye-roll when I see posts where other people are talking about how idiotic it is when people are wearing a mask in their own car. I obviously disagree, but it's not that I've forgotten, either (usually 😉).
For me, if I'm driving from one store where I needed a mask to another store where I'll also need it, and the mask is bothering me exactly zero (i.e., not a day so cold my glasses fog), why would I take it off? If it's raining, and I'm briefly in my car between two places where I'll be out in the rain, I don't usually take my raincoat off. Why fuss with it? On top of that, unlike the raincoat, when I fuss with the mask, I should be hand-washing or hand-sanitizing, so if I don't fuss with the mask, that's not so vital.
To me, wearing the mask is just not a big deal. Anybody I know in real life who's made a big point about the idiocy of people wearing masks in cars (when others do it) IMO has been really making a different point, pretty much that they think a mask is an imposition they'd like to rebel against.
(Again, I'm excluding people with health-related breathing problems, or anxiety/claustrophobia about it. *Those* people may not understand why or how others can keep the mask on longer than the minimum, but I doubt that they're making a big fuss about how people are idiots when they do so. Just guessing on that part, though.)9 -
NorthCascades wrote: »I've had the flu once as an adult. It was miserable. Much worse than I remembered from childhood. Spent $200+ on Theraflu. That was more than ten years ago, I've never missed a flu shot since, and I've never had the flu again. I know luck plays a role in that, the flu vaccine is less effective than the covid vaccines. But it stacks the deck heavily in my favor. I really don't like feeling crappy, this is a cheap, easy, and safe way to avoid it.
I wouldn't wish flu on my worst enemy. Not sure which was worse...the 104 degree fever for multiple days, the infection afterwards that caused me to cough up green stuff for over a month, the impetigo that caused sores from my nose to my chin. And I'm a fairly healthy person overall. I wanted to die.
If COVID is "just another flu" (PSA, it's not), no thank you. I'll get my vaccine for both.4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
But I’ll bet it wouldn’t taste that good. 😉
Also, how would you log it? I'm guessing the calorie/macro information would be really hard to find.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I'm not super opinionated about this. For me, 2020 was just so exhausting that I could not keep up with all of the information being thrown at me. Normally, I am a thinking person who would try to see both points of view and then make informed opinions but I'm not a scientist and I didn't have the capacity to keep up with everything.
So I got my first Covid shot last weekend. I am so past the stage of trying to decipher everything and more in the "just tell me what I have to do and I'll do it" stage.
Honestly, we CAN'T be experts in everything we need to be. I'm all for people taking their scientific and medical literacy into their own hands and learning how to interpret varying sources of information, but I think part of the pickle we're in is that too many people are skipping the preliminary work and just deciding that they -- without any special effort -- are as qualified as people who work with viruses and infectious diseases all the time. There's no shame, IMO, in knowing that we don't know what we need to know and listening to people who do this for a living.
There have been many times when I've read about a subject, not known what to do, and just gone to my doctor and asked for their help with a decision. Hasn't steered me wrong yet.
There's too many people trying to apply their regular common sense and non-medical inferences to this subject and it's resulting in nothing more useful than some Facebook memes about how you shouldn't get a vaccine because if you ate it, it would hurt you.
But I’ll bet it wouldn’t taste that good. 😉
Also, how would you log it? I'm guessing the calorie/macro information would be really hard to find.
I’d just use the database entries for rat poison and bleach... be sure to double the serving size of both to be sure you aren’t underestimating. Close enough!
On second thought, if you request the keto friendly version that’s also gluten and dairy free, you may want to ask for an ingredient list to ensure accurate logging!
Hope this helps! 😙4 -
pfeiferlindsey wrote: »I wouldn't wish flu on my worst enemy.
Had the flu once in my life. Was probably the worst I have ever felt. Hot on the outside, freezing on the inside. My bones ached. My arms and legs felt like they weighed a thousand pounds. Everything hurt. I was 27 and bounced right back. Would not want to have to do it again at 49...4 -
"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.
The data that caused panic in Europe showed 7 people out of 1 million developed a blood clot. The incidence of blood clots in the general population is 1-2 people per 1,000. Many people develop blood clots for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine. Many people got freaked out over nothing!9 -
"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.
The data that caused panic in Europe showed 7 people out of 1 million developed a blood clot. The incidence of blood clots in the general population is 1-2 people per 1,000. Many people develop blood clots for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine. Many people got freaked out over nothing!
While I completely agree with you, there is an added detail. The point of concern was the incidence among vaccine recipients who were also young women, not the most likely blood clot group but not unheard of either, obv. So the relevant comparison was to young women, not gen pop. But the incidence rate checked out as not problematic.1 -
"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.
The data that caused panic in Europe showed 7 people out of 1 million developed a blood clot. The incidence of blood clots in the general population is 1-2 people per 1,000. Many people develop blood clots for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine. Many people got freaked out over nothing!
While I completely agree with you, there is an added detail. The point of concern was the incidence among vaccine recipients who were also young women, not the most likely blood clot group but not unheard of either, obv. So the relevant comparison was to young women, not gen pop. But the incidence rate checked out as not problematic.
That’s not true. Some of the risk factors for blood clots are pregnancy and hormonal contraceptive use. I see young women with blood clots in the ER all of the time.
In young women the incidence is 1-5 out of 10,000. Still way less than the vaccine group.
There is no cause for concerns for blood clots with the AZ vaccine.7 -
"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462
Don't suppose even these remarkable results from a very large trial will influence the dimwits opposed to vaccinations but should reassure those that are on the fence or have genuine concerns.
Also, news reports are saying that they specifically looked for the blood clotting issue some of Europe has been concerned about. They saw zero instances. This doesn't mean it doesn't happen - the report I heard was careful to say that - but it does mean that at worst it's *extremely* rare.
The data that caused panic in Europe showed 7 people out of 1 million developed a blood clot. The incidence of blood clots in the general population is 1-2 people per 1,000. Many people develop blood clots for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine. Many people got freaked out over nothing!
I don't know if this is true, and I have no way of checking it out. All I can say was that the source was not ultra-fringe-y (it was a radio report I heard in passing, either NPR or BBC, talking to someone from the science community in Europe, I believe).
What was said was that in the cases that caused concern, the *type* of blood clots were a part of what caused concern. IIRC, they said there was a "whole body" widespread aspect that made the cases especially unusual, and that the similarity to a symptom that had been seen in some severe (deadly) Covid cases, was part of the reason for extra caution.
Like I said, I have neither sources nor expertise to evaluate this claim, but am mentioning it because others may have those resources.
I completely agree with you (Nooshi) that looking at incidence of blood clots in a statistical sense, there was overcaution, possibly detrimental in a big-picture sense. At the time, I assumed there might be a PR aspect to this, i.e., if the cases are publicized in a sensational way, the authorities *not* reacting may feed conspiracy theories and vaccine hesitancy, in ways that will increase future odds of disease spread more than the pause for investigation. But that last was pure speculation on my part.
It's tempting to assume, as a member of the general public, that European authorities were over-reacting and irresponsible, but I have a degree of learned caution about making assumptions when I don't have full details. In particular, listening to international (such as BBC) coverage of US events I'm quite familiar with, I have some sense that as one gets further from the sources, the coverage can get more broad-brush, to the point of leading to inaccurate conclusions.
Again, I'm not advancing the "unusual type of blood clots" as a truth. It's a report I heard, for which I have no independent, authoritative confirmation.3 -
The story of one of the cases of death after the Astra vaccine is this: A military family man, 43 yrs old, in apparent good health, was vaccinated in the morning. He took his son to soccer practice as usual, and even played a bit with the boy. Late afternoon started to feel a little off, headache, etc., so took a Tylenol type tablet (as told to if there are light symptoms). During the night his wife said he suddenly felt awful and she called an ambulance. He died quickly.
Now, the story was told the day after by the widow on national TV. She said she was not against the vaccine, seemed very level-headed, but wanted to know what killed her husband. Now we still don't have the autopsy report--it was said it would take 2 weeks and now it's about that. The vaccinations were halted to stop panic. They needed more information to go forward. After a few days of study of the other cases, it was decided to proceed. I think they did the right thing, at least in Italy. It's a hard call.
And yes, I will get the vaccine when I'm up (my BIL is a doctor and after all he's seen, you don't want to take your chances with COVID). I will take any of the vaccines, AstraZeneca included.
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snowflake954 wrote: »The story of one of the cases of death after the Astra vaccine is this: A military family man, 43 yrs old, in apparent good health, was vaccinated in the morning. He took his son to soccer practice as usual, and even played a bit with the boy. Late afternoon started to feel a little off, headache, etc., so took a Tylenol type tablet (as told to if there are light symptoms). During the night his wife said he suddenly felt awful and she called an ambulance. He died quickly.
Now, the story was told the day after by the widow on national TV. She said she was not against the vaccine, seemed very level-headed, but wanted to know what killed her husband. Now we still don't have the autopsy report--it was said it would take 2 weeks and now it's about that. The vaccinations were halted to stop panic. They needed more information to go forward. After a few days of study of the other cases, it was decided to proceed. I think they did the right thing, at least in Italy. It's a hard call.
And yes, I will get the vaccine when I'm up (my BIL is a doctor and after all he's seen, you don't want to take your chances with COVID). I will take any of the vaccines, AstraZeneca included.
People die unexpectedly, and when you have the whole world getting vaccinated at the same time, you're bound to have some of those unexpected deaths happen soon after but unrelated to the shot.
So there's good reason to think it was almost certainly unrelated, but you also want to err in the side of caution. But you also don't want to slow vaccination rates when dealing with a global pandemic. I do not envy the people who need to make these decisions!4 -
snowflake954 wrote: »The story of one of the cases of death after the Astra vaccine is this: A military family man, 43 yrs old, in apparent good health, was vaccinated in the morning. He took his son to soccer practice as usual, and even played a bit with the boy. Late afternoon started to feel a little off, headache, etc., so took a Tylenol type tablet (as told to if there are light symptoms). During the night his wife said he suddenly felt awful and she called an ambulance. He died quickly.
Now, the story was told the day after by the widow on national TV. She said she was not against the vaccine, seemed very level-headed, but wanted to know what killed her husband. Now we still don't have the autopsy report--it was said it would take 2 weeks and now it's about that. The vaccinations were halted to stop panic. They needed more information to go forward. After a few days of study of the other cases, it was decided to proceed. I think they did the right thing, at least in Italy. It's a hard call.
And yes, I will get the vaccine when I'm up (my BIL is a doctor and after all he's seen, you don't want to take your chances with COVID). I will take any of the vaccines, AstraZeneca included.
People die unexpectedly, and when you have the whole world getting vaccinated at the same time, you're bound to have some of those unexpected deaths happen soon after but unrelated to the shot.
So there's good reason to think it was almost certainly unrelated, but you also want to err in the side of caution. But you also don't want to slow vaccination rates when dealing with a global pandemic. I do not envy the people who need to make these decisions!
Yep! Correlation or coincidence does not equal causation. Even when accounting for the *rare* or more dangerous types of clots, the incidence is still less than in the general population.3
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