Nobel Prize Winner picks Diet of the Future

MadameLAL

I like doing some backyard and deck gardening, but...blech...kale. Not all vegetarians like kale and yoga.

I think things like tomatoes, peppers, and maybe a type of squash are great things to grow.

And maybe some topsy turvy strawberries.
Oh and herbs.

You're speaking my language! I love growing basil and tomatoes for bruschetta, pizzas and pasta dishes. YUM!

That is pretty much what I had in mind! As well as caprese salads!

I kinda wanna look into making fresh mozzarella as well.

Fresh is best. I make many homemade vegan cheeses, including an amazing mozzarella. I can't want for August tomatoes.

LiftAllThePizzas

Did this Nobel prize winner also predict the end of people having pets?

Or did they predict that all cats and dogs would become vegans too?

What does that have to do with anything?

Well if there's no meat being farmed/produced by humans, what are all the dogs and cats (and other pets) going to eat?

Or are you proposing turning them all out into the wild? Or perhaps just killing them all? (As well as all the domestic cows, sheep, goats, chickens, etc.)

Okay, now I get your point. We are nowhere near the point of growing cost-effective lab meat, but I am hopeful that will provide meat for the animal companions we have who need it in the future.

What's wrong with humans eating lab-grown meat?

wheird

I like doing some backyard and deck gardening, but...blech...kale. Not all vegetarians like kale and yoga.

I think things like tomatoes, peppers, and maybe a type of squash are great things to grow.

And maybe some topsy turvy strawberries.
Oh and herbs.

You're speaking my language! I love growing basil and tomatoes for bruschetta, pizzas and pasta dishes. YUM!

That is pretty much what I had in mind! As well as caprese salads!

I kinda wanna look into making fresh mozzarella as well.

Fresh is best. I make many homemade vegan cheeses, including an amazing mozzarella. I can't want for August tomatoes.

What is the process for vegan mozzarella?

MadameLAL

For anyone truly interested in a vegan diet this is a useful page regarding B12 - it has references and everything.

http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/plant

Awesome site thanks! It makes me agree with me more.

Looks like an excellent site. In short, vitamin B12 is too important to ignore, or rely on pseudo sources.

MadameLAL

I like doing some backyard and deck gardening, but...blech...kale. Not all vegetarians like kale and yoga.

I think things like tomatoes, peppers, and maybe a type of squash are great things to grow.

And maybe some topsy turvy strawberries.
Oh and herbs.

You're speaking my language! I love growing basil and tomatoes for bruschetta, pizzas and pasta dishes. YUM!

That is pretty much what I had in mind! As well as caprese salads!

I kinda wanna look into making fresh mozzarella as well.

Fresh is best. I make many homemade vegan cheeses, including an amazing mozzarella. I can't want for August tomatoes.

What is the process for vegan mozzarella?

The recipe I use contains soymilk and refined coconut oil as the prime ingredients. I know it sounds horrible, but it fools active cheese-lovers, like my kids. The problem is, it has loads of calories and fat (like dairy cheese).

Sunka1

I can just see it...

The year is 2214 and meat has been outlawed....we are all gardening, eating lab grown protien.

All the cows, chickens etc have been set free and we are being over run by herbivores, our gardens are no more because of the over abundance of cows and sheep eating our gardens......


then the lions and tigers and bears...OH MY

start to take over and get bigger and bigger...oh nooooooooooooes

They get so big they are now at the top of the food chain...

Humans become prey...we die out...meat eaters take over.

why all because of vegans....jeez.

*goes to have a bacon cheese burger to console herself*

That's a lovely work of fiction. This wouldn't happen overnight.

Haha yes ficton and poking fun...I mean come on...

...when the Deer population becomes too large there are issues for the agricultural community...think about it...I mean god forbid we kill something and not eat it that's just wasteful and disgusting...

We are on top of the food chain for a reason...

*thinks about the underground meat market that could ensure...$$$$$$$$$$$$ mama gonna get some new boots...*

Human population is a bit out of control as well. Any bright ideas? I would presume you are all for killing humans and not eating them. What a waste.

MadameLAL

Did this Nobel prize winner also predict the end of people having pets?

Or did they predict that all cats and dogs would become vegans too?

What does that have to do with anything?

Well if there's no meat being farmed/produced by humans, what are all the dogs and cats (and other pets) going to eat?

Or are you proposing turning them all out into the wild? Or perhaps just killing them all? (As well as all the domestic cows, sheep, goats, chickens, etc.)

Okay, now I get your point. We are nowhere near the point of growing cost-effective lab meat, but I am hopeful that will provide meat for the animal companions we have who need it in the future.

What's wrong with humans eating lab-grown meat?

I'm actually hopeful it's a perfectly delicious alternative for humans, too. As I understand it, the process doesn't require slaughter, but may require that animals be kept and biopsied for starter cells every once in a while. I wouldn't personally be interested, but I hope it's really, REALLY good for those who enjoy meat.

SunofaBeach14

I like doing some backyard and deck gardening, but...blech...kale. Not all vegetarians like kale and yoga.

I think things like tomatoes, peppers, and maybe a type of squash are great things to grow.

And maybe some topsy turvy strawberries.
Oh and herbs.

You're speaking my language! I love growing basil and tomatoes for bruschetta, pizzas and pasta dishes. YUM!

That is pretty much what I had in mind! As well as caprese salads!

I kinda wanna look into making fresh mozzarella as well.

Fresh is best. I make many homemade vegan cheeses, including an amazing mozzarella. I can't want for August tomatoes.

What is the process for vegan mozzarella?

The recipe I use contains soymilk and refined coconut oil as the prime ingredients. I know it sounds horrible, but it fools active cheese-lovers, like my kids. The problem is, it has loads of calories and fat (like real cheese).

So you're forcing veganism on your kids? Nice.

LiftAllThePizzas

I would like to see home gardens become more popular.

*LIKE.

Home gardens don't produce many calories per day.

Why not?

Because they don't use huge automated machines to work the land. Do you know how many man-hours it takes to cultivate, for example, one acre of corn by hand?

Sunka1

:laugh:

SunofaBeach14

Did this Nobel prize winner also predict the end of people having pets?

Or did they predict that all cats and dogs would become vegans too?

What does that have to do with anything?

Well if there's no meat being farmed/produced by humans, what are all the dogs and cats (and other pets) going to eat?

Or are you proposing turning them all out into the wild? Or perhaps just killing them all? (As well as all the domestic cows, sheep, goats, chickens, etc.)

Okay, now I get your point. We are nowhere near the point of growing cost-effective lab meat, but I am hopeful that will provide meat for the animal companions we have who need it in the future.

What's wrong with humans eating lab-grown meat?

I'm actually hopeful it's a perfectly delicious alternative for humans, too. As I understand it, the process doesn't require slaughter, but may require that animals be kept and biopsied for starter cells every once in a while. I wouldn't personally be interested, but I hope it's really, REALLY good for those who enjoy meat.

I prefer my meat to bleed. I particularly enjoy harvesting game meat.

LRoslin

I followed a vegan diet for years--started out as a lacto-ovo vegetarian when I was 14, and then when I was in my late twenties switched to vegan, thinking giving up dairy would help my skin and headaches. I stayed vegan throughout three pregnancies, and had large, healthy babies. Then my third was born and during the newborn screening they found a very low carnitine level. They told us he had an inborn error of metabolism and without round the clock feeding and carnitine supplements he would have seizures, go into a coma and possibly die.

After lots more testing, they found that I also had a rock-bottom carnitine level. I had never heard of carnitine before! And I read a lot about vegan nutrition, but it was never, ever mentioned in any of the books or articles. It helps your body get energy from fats; without it you can't metabolize fat. It's found in red meat and in (some) vegetables in low amounts. Mostly in pork and beef. However, our bodies can synthesize carnitine if you get dietary lysine, which is found in chicken and eggs. Come to think of it, I did crave fried eggs when I was pregnant with my second, and I did veer out of veganism just for those during my second trimester!

After getting a second opinion from a geneticist, both my son and I were diagnosed with severe malnutrition. I had thought I had a healthy vegan diet--we got our protein from beans (not just soy), supplemented with nutritional yeast and took multivitamins, and ate lots of vegetables and fruit. But were deficient in a very important way. My doctor said that years of not eating animal products had basically depleted me of my carnitine stores--the pregnancies helped, too. It's possible that my other two might have been low in carnitine, but our state didn't test for that deficiency back when they were born. We incorporated more animal products into our diet, mainly eggs and for me, pork and beef.

Long story short (too late, I know!), I think a vegan diet *can* be healthy, but with caveats. It's not just B-12 you need to worry about; we got plenty of B-12. There are so many nutrients our bodies need. And everybody is different. For me, veganism ended up with a medical nightmare and six months of being terrified my baby was going to die in the night.

MadameLAL

I like doing some backyard and deck gardening, but...blech...kale. Not all vegetarians like kale and yoga.

I think things like tomatoes, peppers, and maybe a type of squash are great things to grow.

And maybe some topsy turvy strawberries.
Oh and herbs.

You're speaking my language! I love growing basil and tomatoes for bruschetta, pizzas and pasta dishes. YUM!

That is pretty much what I had in mind! As well as caprese salads!

I kinda wanna look into making fresh mozzarella as well.

Fresh is best. I make many homemade vegan cheeses, including an amazing mozzarella. I can't want for August tomatoes.

What is the process for vegan mozzarella?

The recipe I use contains soymilk and refined coconut oil as the prime ingredients. I know it sounds horrible, but it fools active cheese-lovers, like my kids. The problem is, it has loads of calories and fat (like real cheese).

So you're forcing veganism on your kids? Nice.

They are 21 and 18 years old and vegetarians by choice. They were raised with their eyes wide open about the process of producing meat. So was I, on a family farm. It's one reason I am drawn to plant-based cuisine.

Sunka1

No one could be a healthy vegan without the convenience of modern technology unless maybe you live at the equator where plant life is abundant year round

That can't be true.

yeah...grocery stores that offer veggies and fruit year round even in winter year among other things...and even then it's still work to make sure you're eating a wide variety of plants to get all the nutrients you need.

Keep forgetting all carnivores hunt.

But that's beyond the point. In certain climates and especially in the dead of winter you would have to hunt to survive or you would die. Thats your only option. Your plant choices are pretty thin, no avocados, nuts...and certainly not enough to survive on without serious malnutrition.

I think we have all gone beyond the point here. I know a lot of places where wild foragers could survive. If things were as bad off as described above why not migrate duh.

Name one
Grow up.

MadameLAL

Did this Nobel prize winner also predict the end of people having pets?

Or did they predict that all cats and dogs would become vegans too?

What does that have to do with anything?

Well if there's no meat being farmed/produced by humans, what are all the dogs and cats (and other pets) going to eat?

Or are you proposing turning them all out into the wild? Or perhaps just killing them all? (As well as all the domestic cows, sheep, goats, chickens, etc.)

Okay, now I get your point. We are nowhere near the point of growing cost-effective lab meat, but I am hopeful that will provide meat for the animal companions we have who need it in the future.

What's wrong with humans eating lab-grown meat?

I'm actually hopeful it's a perfectly delicious alternative for humans, too. As I understand it, the process doesn't require slaughter, but may require that animals be kept and biopsied for starter cells every once in a while. I wouldn't personally be interested, but I hope it's really, REALLY good for those who enjoy meat.

I prefer my meat to bleed. I particularly enjoy harvesting game meat.

We all have preferences. Whether they continue to be sustainable is the question.

SunofaBeach14

Did this Nobel prize winner also predict the end of people having pets?

Or did they predict that all cats and dogs would become vegans too?

What does that have to do with anything?

Well if there's no meat being farmed/produced by humans, what are all the dogs and cats (and other pets) going to eat?

Or are you proposing turning them all out into the wild? Or perhaps just killing them all? (As well as all the domestic cows, sheep, goats, chickens, etc.)

Okay, now I get your point. We are nowhere near the point of growing cost-effective lab meat, but I am hopeful that will provide meat for the animal companions we have who need it in the future.

What's wrong with humans eating lab-grown meat?

I'm actually hopeful it's a perfectly delicious alternative for humans, too. As I understand it, the process doesn't require slaughter, but may require that animals be kept and biopsied for starter cells every once in a while. I wouldn't personally be interested, but I hope it's really, REALLY good for those who enjoy meat.

I prefer my meat to bleed. I particularly enjoy harvesting game meat.

We all have preferences. Whether they continue to be sustainable is the question.

You keep on worrying about that

fishnbrah

Did this Nobel prize winner also predict the end of people having pets?

Or did they predict that all cats and dogs would become vegans too?

What does that have to do with anything?

Well if there's no meat being farmed/produced by humans, what are all the dogs and cats (and other pets) going to eat?

Or are you proposing turning them all out into the wild? Or perhaps just killing them all? (As well as all the domestic cows, sheep, goats, chickens, etc.)

Okay, now I get your point. We are nowhere near the point of growing cost-effective lab meat, but I am hopeful that will provide meat for the animal companions we have who need it in the future.

What's wrong with humans eating lab-grown meat?

I'm actually hopeful it's a perfectly delicious alternative for humans, too. As I understand it, the process doesn't require slaughter, but may require that animals be kept and biopsied for starter cells every once in a while. I wouldn't personally be interested, but I hope it's really, REALLY good for those who enjoy meat.

I prefer my meat to bleed. I particularly enjoy harvesting game meat.

ya, been eating my elk almost everyday since september. got a deer i havent even started on, thats real organic right there. why would someone want to eat something that was created in a lab, gross.

MadameLAL

I followed a vegan diet for years--started out as a lacto-ovo vegetarian when I was 14, and then when I was in my late twenties switched to vegan, thinking giving up dairy would help my skin and headaches. I stayed vegan throughout three pregnancies, and had large, healthy babies. Then my third was born and during the newborn screening they found a very low carnitine level. They told us he had an inborn error of metabolism and without round the clock feeding and carnitine supplements he would have seizures, go into a coma and possibly die.

After lots more testing, they found that I also had a rock-bottom carnitine level. I had never heard of carnitine before! And I read a lot about vegan nutrition, but it was never, ever mentioned in any of the books or articles. It helps your body get energy from fats; without it you can't metabolize fat. It's found in red meat and in (some) vegetables in low amounts. Mostly in pork and beef. However, our bodies can synthesize carnitine if you get dietary lysine, which is found in chicken and eggs. Come to think of it, I did crave fried eggs when I was pregnant with my second, and I did veer out of veganism just for those during my second trimester!

After getting a second opinion from a geneticist, both my son and I were diagnosed with severe malnutrition. I had thought I had a healthy vegan diet--we got our protein from beans (not just soy), supplemented with nutritional yeast and took multivitamins, and ate lots of vegetables and fruit. But were deficient in a very important way. My doctor said that years of not eating animal products had basically depleted me of my carnitine stores--the pregnancies helped, too. It's possible that my other two might have been low in carnitine, but our state didn't test for that deficiency back when they were born. We incorporated more animal products into our diet, mainly eggs and for me, pork and beef.

Long story short (too late, I know!), I think a vegan diet *can* be healthy, but with caveats. It's not just B-12 you need to worry about; we got plenty of B-12. There are so many nutrients our bodies need. And everybody is different. For me, veganism ended up with a medical nightmare and six months of being terrified my baby was going to die in the night.

I am very sorry to hear you had such a horrible experience. Sick babies are the absolute worst! I'm trying to understand: is the carnitine deficiency an inborn metabolic condition? Genetic, maybe?

LiftAllThePizzas

Did this Nobel prize winner also predict the end of people having pets?

Or did they predict that all cats and dogs would become vegans too?

What does that have to do with anything?

Well if there's no meat being farmed/produced by humans, what are all the dogs and cats (and other pets) going to eat?

Or are you proposing turning them all out into the wild? Or perhaps just killing them all? (As well as all the domestic cows, sheep, goats, chickens, etc.)

Okay, now I get your point. We are nowhere near the point of growing cost-effective lab meat, but I am hopeful that will provide meat for the animal companions we have who need it in the future.

What's wrong with humans eating lab-grown meat?

I'm actually hopeful it's a perfectly delicious alternative for humans, too. As I understand it, the process doesn't require slaughter, but may require that animals be kept and biopsied for starter cells every once in a while. I wouldn't personally be interested, but I hope it's really, REALLY good for those who enjoy meat.

But nobody would want to if they all found it repugnant.

Sunka1

I would like to see home gardens become more popular.

*LIKE.

Home gardens don't produce many calories per day.

Why not?

because I live in New Brunswick Canada and our growing season is short and veggies don't have a tonne of calories and it's hard when you have a big garden to actually eat it all before it goes bad...I even can/bottle/pickle and I still have to give a crap tonne of the stuff away...and even then lots ends up in the composter.

We have a hard time growing tropical items in a zone 4a or 4b

I am sure you can grow more calorie dense veggies if you need to survive.

Just a thought but maybe you aren't meant to eat tropical items in Canada.