Battle of the Sexes: Indecent Exposure

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  • MikeSEA
    MikeSEA Posts: 1,074 Member
    It's not really fair and it is a double standard. But the dong just isn't pretty, especially in a flaccid state. Part of the problem is that it changes. When it is needed functionally it arguably looks better, but now you're stuck with a movie actor walking around with a hard-on and that just looks silly unless there is some action going on. Not to mention it creates spacing and lighting issues for the production crew. And SAG insurance doesn't cover dong injuries.

    I would suggest that you just haven't seen enough of them then perhaps.
  • futiledevices
    futiledevices Posts: 309 Member
    It's legal for women to walk around topless here. I would not feel comfortable doing that, though, because men will gawk, which is creepy.
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    It's legal for women to walk around topless here. I would not feel comfortable doing that, though, because men will gawk, which is creepy.

    Where do you live, if you don't mind me asking?
  • futiledevices
    futiledevices Posts: 309 Member
    It's legal for women to walk around topless here. I would not feel comfortable doing that, though, because men will gawk, which is creepy.

    Where do you live, if you don't mind me asking?

    Toronto
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    There's no question there is a double standard. I think this one is pretty easy (in the movies that is). The movie industry especially has always been controlled by men--and they like seeing women naked and are completely freaked out at the idea of male nudity. It's probably still an attitude that women are too emotional and fragile to be able to look at such a thing.

    I can't say this for certain, but I suspect that an erect penis, either with penetration or without, has traditionally marked the difference between "nudity" and "pornography" and that still seems to be a fixed border. Even on shows like HBOs "Cathouse" that are graphically sexual in nature, they will show the women with legs spread apart and engaging in oral sex, but they still avoid or "pixelate" any view of the erect penis.

    (A bit of urban folklore that may be true, says that Ralph Fiennes is so well-endowed that his penis had to be digitally shortened post-production for "the English Patient" because in early test screenings the audiences were kind of shocked).

    Male producers/directors have always used their positions of power to coerce women, especially young aspiring female actors, into doing nude scenes or having sex. For some directors -- John Landis comes to mind -- it is laughably obvious. Look at "Animal House", "Stripes", "Trading Places" -- the nude scenes in those movies were completely and obviously gratuitous.

    American attitudes towards sex and nudity have always been neurotic to the point of pathological. The hysterical reaction to the "wardrobe malfunction" at the Super Bowl a few years ago was an international embarrassment.
  • adrian_indy
    adrian_indy Posts: 1,444 Member
    There's no question there is a double standard. I think this one is pretty easy (in the movies that is). The movie industry especially has always been controlled by men--and they like seeing women naked and are completely freaked out at the idea of male nudity. It's probably still an attitude that women are too emotional and fragile to be able to look at such a thing.

    I can't say this for certain, but I suspect that an erect penis, either with penetration or without, has traditionally marked the difference between "nudity" and "pornography" and that still seems to be a fixed border. Even on shows like HBOs "Cathouse" that are graphically sexual in nature, they will show the women with legs spread apart and engaging in oral sex, but they still avoid or "pixelate" any view of the erect penis.

    (A bit of urban folklore that may be true, says that Ralph Fiennes is so well-endowed that his penis had to be digitally shortened post-production for "the English Patient" because in early test screenings the audiences were kind of shocked).

    Male producers/directors have always used their positions of power to coerce women, especially young aspiring female actors, into doing nude scenes or having sex. For some directors -- John Landis comes to mind -- it is laughably obvious. Look at "Animal House", "Stripes", "Trading Places" -- the nude scenes in those movies were completely and obviously gratuitous.

    American attitudes towards sex and nudity have always been neurotic to the point of pathological. The hysterical reaction to the "wardrobe malfunction" at the Super Bowl a few years ago was an international embarrassment.

    I lived in Germany off and on for 4 years and their attitude toward sex is so much more laid back. Funny story. When I was home on leave once, I couldn't sleep so I stayed up watching TV. I flipped through the channels and came on E news and was watching Wild on Cancun, a show about college kids at spring break. They get to a wet T-shirt contest, and as they started pouring the water on the shirts, they blurred it out. I decided I had lost interest and switched channels to USA network and Casino was on. It was the scene where Joe Pesci and his brother are taken to a corn field and beaten to death with baseball bats. Guess what? No editing. Uncut, blow for blow, death by baseball bat. WTF? It's 1 AM, both channels are basic cable, but I can't see boobs, but I can see a vicious murder?

    It's to easy to complain about the obvious stupidity of the main stream american value system....but has anyone ever stopped to think why so many men in this nation our chronic premature ejaculators?
  • BrettPGH
    BrettPGH Posts: 4,720 Member
    (A bit of urban folklore that may be true, says that Ralph Fiennes is so well-endowed that his penis had to be digitally shortened post-production for "the English Patient" because in early test screenings the audiences were kind of shocked).

    If he has half a brain this rumor began and was spread by Ralph Fiennes.

    Hmm he was nude in shadow in Red Dragon, never really went full frontal but there were scenes of him running around naked (I just watched it a few weeks back). Well at least he didn't trip over it.
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    I can't say this for certain, but I suspect that an erect penis, either with penetration or without, has traditionally marked the difference between "nudity" and "pornography" and that still seems to be a fixed border. Even on shows like HBOs "Cathouse" that are graphically sexual in nature, they will show the women with legs spread apart and engaging in oral sex, but they still avoid or "pixelate" any view of the erect penis.

    I googled this, because as I was thinking more on it, I do remember certain movies where a penis is shown, but it wasn't erect, and it wasn't in a sexual situation--it was for comedic purposes. I see a lot of people saying the same as this, that it being erect is what turns it to "pornography."
    (A bit of urban folklore that may be true, says that Ralph Fiennes is so well-endowed that his penis had to be digitally shortened post-production for "the English Patient" because in early test screenings the audiences were kind of shocked).

    LOL I'll never think of Lord Voldemort the same ever again. :laugh:
    Male producers/directors have always used their positions of power to coerce women, especially young aspiring female actors, into doing nude scenes or having sex. For some directors -- John Landis comes to mind -- it is laughably obvious. Look at "Animal House", "Stripes", "Trading Places" -- the nude scenes in those movies were completely and obviously gratuitous.

    I've never watched any of those movies. I can't give an opinion on that. :ohwell: Opening something up from this line of thinking, though--is there ever a backlash to these types of movies? Or these directors, for putting so much nudity out there? Do you think a female director putting more male nudity, or nudity in general, would receive criticism?
    American attitudes towards sex and nudity have always been neurotic to the point of pathological. The hysterical reaction to the "wardrobe malfunction" at the Super Bowl a few years ago was an international embarrassment.

    YES!! That is what I'm saying. And I agree--the "wardrobe malfunction" was just so ****ing stupid. International embarrassment, indeed. :sick:

    Adrian--I must say, I've never stopped to think why so many men in this nation are chronic premature ejaculators!

    Futiledevices--I had no idea that was legal in Toronto!
  • adrian_indy
    adrian_indy Posts: 1,444 Member
    I can't say this for certain, but I suspect that an erect penis, either with penetration or without, has traditionally marked the difference between "nudity" and "pornography" and that still seems to be a fixed border. Even on shows like HBOs "Cathouse" that are graphically sexual in nature, they will show the women with legs spread apart and engaging in oral sex, but they still avoid or "pixelate" any view of the erect penis.

    I googled this, because as I was thinking more on it, I do remember certain movies where a penis is shown, but it wasn't erect, and it wasn't in a sexual situation--it was for comedic purposes. I see a lot of people saying the same as this, that it being erect is what turns it to "pornography."
    (A bit of urban folklore that may be true, says that Ralph Fiennes is so well-endowed that his penis had to be digitally shortened post-production for "the English Patient" because in early test screenings the audiences were kind of shocked).

    LOL I'll never think of Lord Voldemort the same ever again. :laugh:
    Male producers/directors have always used their positions of power to coerce women, especially young aspiring female actors, into doing nude scenes or having sex. For some directors -- John Landis comes to mind -- it is laughably obvious. Look at "Animal House", "Stripes", "Trading Places" -- the nude scenes in those movies were completely and obviously gratuitous.

    I've never watched any of those movies. I can't give an opinion on that. :ohwell: Opening something up from this line of thinking, though--is there ever a backlash to these types of movies? Or these directors, for putting so much nudity out there? Do you think a female director putting more male nudity, or nudity in general, would receive criticism?
    American attitudes towards sex and nudity have always been neurotic to the point of pathological. The hysterical reaction to the "wardrobe malfunction" at the Super Bowl a few years ago was an international embarrassment.

    YES!! That is what I'm saying. And I agree--the "wardrobe malfunction" was just so ****ing stupid. International embarrassment, indeed. :sick:

    Adrian--I must say, I've never stopped to think why so many men in this nation are chronic premature ejaculators!

    Futiledevices--I had no idea that was legal in Toronto!

    It's because, as Azdak pointed out, competely neurotic and repressed when it comes to sexuality. It's funny the change that happens to women when they have a son. Generally speaking, every woman would like a man who is capable in the bedroom. I realize women prioritze this in varying degrees, but even those who don't have high sex drives wouldn't mind if her partner was good in bed. And every woman hopes that her first time, which is usually in their teen years with a teen boy is going to be special. But if the guy has never seen a pair of boobies before, that party is over before it started. And what is hilarious is who are the most protective of their sons sexuality? MOMS! You all are sabotauging yourselves! Lol.
  • BrettPGH
    BrettPGH Posts: 4,720 Member
    It's because, as Azdak pointed out, competely neurotic and repressed when it comes to sexuality. It's funny the change that happens to women when they have a son. Generally speaking, every woman would like a man who is capable in the bedroom. I realize women prioritze this in varying degrees, but even those who don't have high sex drives wouldn't mind if her partner was good in bed. And every woman hopes that her first time, which is usually in their teen years with a teen boy is going to be special. But if the guy has never seen a pair of boobies before, that party is over before it started. And what is hilarious is who are the most protective of their sons sexuality? MOMS! You all are sabotauging yourselves! Lol.

    True but the same can be said of dads and their little girls. I love women, big fan! Especially the sex part.

    But if that little "Eric" thinks he can keep talking to my little girl and hearts are going to keep getting used I will break that 11 year old. Watch me.
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    (A bit of urban folklore that may be true, says that Ralph Fiennes is so well-endowed that his penis had to be digitally shortened post-production for "the English Patient" because in early test screenings the audiences were kind of shocked).

    LOL I'll never think of Lord Voldemort the same ever again. :laugh:

    Wow, that's SOME Elder Wand you've got there, buddy!
  • mikajoanow
    mikajoanow Posts: 584 Member
    And every woman hopes that her first time, which is usually in their teen years with a teen boy is going to be special. But if the guy has never seen a pair of boobies before, that party is over before it started. And what is hilarious is who are the most protective of their sons sexuality? MOMS! You all are sabotauging yourselves! Lol.



    I wonder if most parents of older kids really care when they have the choice, like if they are watching a DVD. When we watch a movie and it shows breasts or any other kind of nudity, we don't make a big deal of it. I know that my two oldest have their own collection of magazines from their biological dad. Which the nudity part is the least of my worries when it comes to that. My worry is that they get the wrong idea about women in general, not about seeing nudity.

    On a side note, my BIL completely changed as a person after he had little girls. He went from basically a Jewish atheist family to sending his girls to Catholic school and taking them to Baptist church. So I think men do the over reacting thing too when it comes to over protecting their girls. lol
  • mikajoanow
    mikajoanow Posts: 584 Member
    (A bit of urban folklore that may be true, says that Ralph Fiennes is so well-endowed that his penis had to be digitally shortened post-production for "the English Patient" because in early test screenings the audiences were kind of shocked).

    LOL I'll never think of Lord Voldemort the same ever again. :laugh:

    Wow, that's SOME Elder Wand you've got there, buddy!
    Too funny!
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    It's because, as Azdak pointed out, competely neurotic and repressed when it comes to sexuality. It's funny the change that happens to women when they have a son. Generally speaking, every woman would like a man who is capable in the bedroom. I realize women prioritze this in varying degrees, but even those who don't have high sex drives wouldn't mind if her partner was good in bed. And every woman hopes that her first time, which is usually in their teen years with a teen boy is going to be special. But if the guy has never seen a pair of boobies before, that party is over before it started. And what is hilarious is who are the most protective of their sons sexuality? MOMS! You all are sabotauging yourselves! Lol.

    Well, I don't have kids...I'm sabotaging no one. :laugh: But yes, good point. It kinda makes me laugh when some of my friends won't take their kids to the beach, because they're paranoid their little boys will see a girl in a bikini. HAH! I was at JCPenney (yep, there's that store again, lol), and was trying clothes on, and then all of a sudden, I look down and there's this little boy, probably about 5 or 6 years old, literally laying on the floor, his head popped under the door staring at me, not even trying to hide it. I started laughing and then loudly said "someone missing a little boy in a red shirt?" I heard a lady start freaking out and yelling at him, saw her hands pick him up off the floor, then she knocked on my door really loudly and asked if he "saw anything." I said no, I still had underwear on, and she got all huffy and said "Good, because if he DID see anything, you and I would have words!" I seriously couldn't stop laughing. I took that as...she was going to yell at me, because her son decided to sneak a peek at me in a dressing room, without my knowledge? I think I'd be a bit more concerned that he was invading someone's privacy, and seen it as a good opportunity to teach him that when a door is closed, you don't go in, even if there's a space between the floor and the door, rather than "boobs are evil!"

    Neurotic indeed. :laugh:

    I feel bad for kids, to be honest. "Sex sells" and it's no secret. Yet schools still preach abstinence only programs. Teens are made to feel like sex is shameful, dirty, and wrong, yet it's everywhere, and it's marketed to them. Teen boys who have sex are "cool" and teen girls who have sex are "sluts." And that doesn't stop after high school, unfortunately.
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    (A bit of urban folklore that may be true, says that Ralph Fiennes is so well-endowed that his penis had to be digitally shortened post-production for "the English Patient" because in early test screenings the audiences were kind of shocked).

    LOL I'll never think of Lord Voldemort the same ever again. :laugh:

    Wow, that's SOME Elder Wand you've got there, buddy!

    I just googled about his "Elder Wand" and got nothing! :laugh:
  • mikajoanow
    mikajoanow Posts: 584 Member
    It's because, as Azdak pointed out, competely neurotic and repressed when it comes to sexuality. It's funny the change that happens to women when they have a son. Generally speaking, every woman would like a man who is capable in the bedroom. I realize women prioritze this in varying degrees, but even those who don't have high sex drives wouldn't mind if her partner was good in bed. And every woman hopes that her first time, which is usually in their teen years with a teen boy is going to be special. But if the guy has never seen a pair of boobies before, that party is over before it started. And what is hilarious is who are the most protective of their sons sexuality? MOMS! You all are sabotauging yourselves! Lol.

    Well, I don't have kids...I'm sabotaging no one. :laugh: But yes, good point. It kinda makes me laugh when some of my friends won't take their kids to the beach, because they're paranoid their little boys will see a girl in a bikini. HAH! I was at JCPenney (yep, there's that store again, lol), and was trying clothes on, and then all of a sudden, I look down and there's this little boy, probably about 5 or 6 years old, literally laying on the floor, his head popped under the door staring at me, not even trying to hide it. I started laughing and then loudly said "someone missing a little boy in a red shirt?" I heard a lady start freaking out and yelling at him, saw her hands pick him up off the floor, then she knocked on my door really loudly and asked if he "saw anything." I said no, I still had underwear on, and she got all huffy and said "Good, because if he DID see anything, you and I would have words!" I seriously couldn't stop laughing. I took that as...she was going to yell at me, because her son decided to sneak a peek at me in a dressing room, without my knowledge? I think I'd be a bit more concerned that he was invading someone's privacy, and seen it as a good opportunity to teach him that when a door is closed, you don't go in, even if there's a space between the floor and the door, rather than "boobs are evil!"

    Neurotic indeed. :laugh:

    I feel bad for kids, to be honest. "Sex sells" and it's no secret. Yet schools still preach abstinence only programs. Teens are made to feel like sex is shameful, dirty, and wrong, yet it's everywhere, and it's marketed to them. Teen boys who have sex are "cool" and teen girls who have sex are "sluts." And that doesn't stop after high school, unfortunately.

    Its really sad isn't it. We have so many bad messages sent to kids all over America, no wonder we're so messed up.

    As far as the lady at JC penney, I would be more worried that he was laying on the ground on some nasty carpet lol
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    I actually found an interesting quote from a professor of philosophy at the Univ of Toronto:
    Kingwell thinks movie audiences don’t necessarily want to see penises on the big screen.

    “Guys don't like to see penises in film, because they are either too small (in travel mode) and therefore not worth all the fuss, or too big (in action mode) and so threatening to self-esteem,” he explains. “Girls don't like to see penises either, on the whole, because they're not as romantic as muscles and other secondary sexual characteristics. I would hazard the totally non-scientific guess that there exists a similar breast-vagina relation for male viewers.

    “As Freud said, the sight of the genitals is rarely beautiful even if it is often exciting. In the movies, porn aside, we crave erotic beauty rather than erotic excitement. Partial nudity is almost always more erotic than complete nudity, because it is suggestive rather than revealing.”

    So it’s little surprise that actors are more likely to show their bums than what’s up front.

    “Most male stars have no interest in exposing themselves to that extent,” says Kingwell. “When Richard Gere did it in the 1980s (American Gigolo, Breathless), he was subject to a lot of ridicule and innuendo.

    “Since then, it's been rare for a male star to go full-frontal, though most will risk a brief rear shot once in awhile.”

    As for Freud's quote: I guess he never knew Georgia O'Keefe.
  • BrettPGH
    BrettPGH Posts: 4,720 Member
    I actually found an interesting quote from a professor of philosophy at the Univ of Toronto:
    Kingwell thinks movie audiences don’t necessarily want to see penises on the big screen.

    “Guys don't like to see penises in film, because they are either too small (in travel mode) and therefore not worth all the fuss, or too big (in action mode) and so threatening to self-esteem,” he explains. “Girls don't like to see penises either, on the whole, because they're not as romantic as muscles and other secondary sexual characteristics. I would hazard the totally non-scientific guess that there exists a similar breast-vagina relation for male viewers.

    “As Freud said, the sight of the genitals is rarely beautiful even if it is often exciting. In the movies, porn aside, we crave erotic beauty rather than erotic excitement. Partial nudity is almost always more erotic than complete nudity, because it is suggestive rather than revealing.”

    So it’s little surprise that actors are more likely to show their bums than what’s up front.

    “Most male stars have no interest in exposing themselves to that extent,” says Kingwell. “When Richard Gere did it in the 1980s (American Gigolo, Breathless), he was subject to a lot of ridicule and innuendo.

    “Since then, it's been rare for a male star to go full-frontal, though most will risk a brief rear shot once in awhile.”

    As for Freud's quote: I guess he never knew Georgia O'Keefe.

    I think this is pretty smart. Sick perv that I am I've never been a big fan of complete nudity. Maybe it's the Catholic upbringing. Any time I was with a girl who felt comfortable strolling around my apartment naked I'd get kind of creeped out. For all my talk I have plenty of my own hang-ups. I'll always prefer suggestive to completely nude.

    Anyone see Watchmen? Billy Crudup plays Dr. Manhattan and as the character is written it's very important that he spend a good portion of the film completely nude, full frontal and all. It was an issue when the comics were written and somewhat of an issue in the movie.

    Difference being that in the books Dr. Manhattan had an average, flaccid penis that was just kind of there and Billy Crudup (or CGI) was hung like a donkey. You can't help but throw out a "whoa" when you see it.
  • kennethmgreen
    kennethmgreen Posts: 1,759 Member
    Difference being that in the books Dr. Manhattan had an average, flaccid penis that was just kind of there and Billy Crudup (or CGI) was hung like a donkey. You can't help but throw out a "whoa" when you see it.
    Everyone knows blue adds a few inches.
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    As far as the lady at JC penney, I would be more worried that he was laying on the ground on some nasty carpet lol

    My thoughts exactly. It's even more disturbing seeing kids roll around and lay on public bathroom floors.
    I actually found an interesting quote from a professor of philosophy at the Univ of Toronto:

    I saw that when I googled for "Ralph Fiennes Penis." :tongue: Which I still am waiting to see! Out of sheer curiosity, of course.
    Anyone see Watchmen? Billy Crudup plays Dr. Manhattan and as the character is written it's very important that he spend a good portion of the film completely nude, full frontal and all. It was an issue when the comics were written and somewhat of an issue in the movie.

    I saw that movie the day it came out in theaters. That was actually my boyfriend and I's first date, going for coffee and then seeing that movie. :smile: I remember a lot of "Dayum!" and "TEEHEE look his penis is showing!" :laugh: