Sugar will kill you.

Sidesteal

LOL no.

But seriously, here's a video I'd like to share for the nerds. This is Alan Aragon and here's a good (and recent) video discussion regarding Lustig's 60-minute interview.

This is a discussion about Lustig's claims.

This video has foul language as it's Ian (JB from bb.com) interviewing him and he just sort of says what he wants. But it contains exceptional information.

As a side note, I'd recommend checking out Ian's other vids. He's got some great stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMc0_s-M08I

Here's his old blog post regarding Lustig as well, but the video is very, very recent:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

Cr357

You see in the beginning where Ian takes a shot at people that believe in BCAAs? Well that leucine study that is selling Xtend was conducted by Layne Norton, another respected name in the sports nutritional industry. There is always going to be an opposing opinion. If their were no opposing opinions then there would be no advances in science because no one would test and innovate new protocols. So you kind of have to use only about 60% science and about 40% actual true life experience. Theories need to be tested to see if they're actually applicable in real life.

Sidesteal

You see in the beginning where Ian takes a shot at people that believe in BCAAs? Well that leucine study that is selling Xtend was conducted by Layne Norton, another respected name in the sports nutritional industry.

With no disrespect to Layne (he's a phenomenal athlete and a brilliant guy) he also works for a supplement company, doesn't he?

I'll go watch that beginning segment again now that you mention it.

EDIT: Ah, his Leuceine comment.

Cr357

Yeah I think he's with Scivation. I do watch Ian and a lot of what he says falls in line with what I already employ so it works out.

Acg67

Yeah I think he's with Scivation. I do watch Ian and a lot of what he says falls in line with what I already employ so it works out.

The oft referenced but never published BCAA study done by Scivation I'll listen to most of what Layne recommends but always take his BCAA recommendations with a grain of salt

Sidesteal

Yeah I think he's with Scivation. I do watch Ian and a lot of what he says falls in line with what I already employ so it works out.

The oft referenced but never published BCAA study done by Scivation I'll listen to most of what Layne recommends but always take his BCAA recommendations with a grain of salt

^ Honestly this is the same boat I'm in. I was even trying Layne's PHAT program for several weeks and I think he's a beast, I just don't quite trust his BCAA studies.

Acg67

Yeah I think he's with Scivation. I do watch Ian and a lot of what he says falls in line with what I already employ so it works out.

The oft referenced but never published BCAA study done by Scivation I'll listen to most of what Layne recommends but always take his BCAA recommendations with a grain of salt

^ Honestly this is the same boat I'm in. I was even trying Layne's PHAT program for several weeks and I think he's a beast, I just don't quite trust his BCAA studies.

If I'm not mistaken he recommends BCAA supplementation between meals vs pre/post/intra, but all in all he's a pretty brilliant guy.

tigersword

I was hoping for a picture of a giant bag of sugar crushing someone. I'm disappointed.

Cr357

Yeah I think he's with Scivation. I do watch Ian and a lot of what he says falls in line with what I already employ so it works out.

The oft referenced but never published BCAA study done by Scivation I'll listen to most of what Layne recommends but always take his BCAA recommendations with a grain of salt

^ Honestly this is the same boat I'm in. I was even trying Layne's PHAT program for several weeks and I think he's a beast, I just don't quite trust his BCAA studies.

His study which is on rats btw proves that BCAAs with carbs taken between meals 4-6 hours apart maximizes MPS, however what exactly does that equate to? There is no measure of how much muscle can be gained or prevented from being lost ( surplus vs, deficit) from this maximized period. His theory needs to be tested and measured on actual test subjects over time, other wise it's just a sales pitch. So while I watch and listen to these guys I just don't blindly follow and quote it without testing to see if it makes a difference over time.

Sidesteal

Yeah I think he's with Scivation. I do watch Ian and a lot of what he says falls in line with what I already employ so it works out.

The oft referenced but never published BCAA study done by Scivation I'll listen to most of what Layne recommends but always take his BCAA recommendations with a grain of salt

^ Honestly this is the same boat I'm in. I was even trying Layne's PHAT program for several weeks and I think he's a beast, I just don't quite trust his BCAA studies.

His study which is on rats btw proves that BCAAs with carbs taken between meals 4-6 hours apart maximizes MPS, however what exactly does that equate to? There is no measure of how much muscle can be gained or prevented from being lost ( surplus vs, deficit) from this maximized period. His theory needs to be tested and measured on actual test subjects over time, other wise it's just a sales pitch. So while I watch and listen to these guys I just don't blindly follow and quote it without testingto see if it makes a difference over time.

And the bolded part, IMO, is key. A lot of studies on BCAA and even protein, are only looking at acute effects and not looking at overall results over longer time periods. I think we agree on this, and I challenge you to a pullup contest.

Acg67

Yeah I think he's with Scivation. I do watch Ian and a lot of what he says falls in line with what I already employ so it works out.

The oft referenced but never published BCAA study done by Scivation I'll listen to most of what Layne recommends but always take his BCAA recommendations with a grain of salt

^ Honestly this is the same boat I'm in. I was even trying Layne's PHAT program for several weeks and I think he's a beast, I just don't quite trust his BCAA studies.

His study which is on rats btw proves that BCAAs with carbs taken between meals 4-6 hours apart maximizes MPS, however what exactly does that equate to? There is no measure of how much muscle can be gained or prevented from being lost ( surplus vs, deficit) from this maximized period. His theory needs to be tested and measured on actual test subjects over time, other wise it's just a sales pitch. So while I watch and listen to these guys I just don't blindly follow and quote it without testing to see if it makes a difference over time.

Here's one of his presentations

http://www.slideshare.net/biolayne/optimal-protein-intake-and-meal-frequency-to-support-maximal-protein-synthesis-and-muscle-mass

Cr357

and the bolded part, IMO, is key. A lot of studies on BCAA and even protein, are only looking at acute effects and not looking at overall results over longer time periods. I think we agree on this, and I challenge you to a pullup contest.

Yes we do agree, good discussion and video link. On the pull ups, one hand or two? lol

Sidesteal

and the bolded part, IMO, is key. A lot of studies on BCAA and even protein, are only looking at acute effects and not looking at overall results over longer time periods. I think we agree on this, and I challenge you to a pullup contest.

Yes we do agree, good discussion and video link. On the pull ups, one hand or two? lol

If you're doing them one handed, I withdraw my challenge because.. *cough*...*cough*... oh look, I think i've got a cold.

Cr357

Here's one of his presentations
http://www.slideshare.net/biolayne/optimal-protein-intake-and-meal-frequency-to-support-maximal-protein-synthesis-and-muscle-mass

Bookmarked, I only had a hard copy. Also the test subjects in that sugar study that was on 60 minutes didn't exercise and consumed 25% of their daily cals from sugar. That's a very one sided study with bad methodology.

Sidesteal

\the test subjects in that sugar study that was on 60 minutes didn't exercise and consumed 25% of their daily cals from sugar. That's a very one sided study with bad methodology.

Abso-freaken-lutely, but when the segment ran on 60-minutes, my understanding is that these details weren't exactly explained, which is why people at the surface will see Lustig and think sugar is a poison, without knowing how ridiculous the study and it's outcomes were.

joejccva71

Brilliant video.

Sidesteal

Brilliant video.

Wasn't it though!?

Will watch again.

Strong Alan jaw. I'm going to ask him if he does jaw lifts.

Acg67

Here's one of his presentations
http://www.slideshare.net/biolayne/optimal-protein-intake-and-meal-frequency-to-support-maximal-protein-synthesis-and-muscle-mass

Bookmarked, I only had a hard copy. Also the test subjects in that sugar study that was on 60 minutes didn't exercise and consumed 25% of their daily cals from sugar. That's a very one sided study with bad methodology.

And consuming at maintenance, there have been other studies that had high sugar consumption with subjects in a hypocaloric state and LDL decreased among other things

Rae6503

So when are you boys going to start making out? This post has turned into quite the love fest.

Toddrific

So when are you boys going to start making out? This post has turned into quite the love fest.

^this

Sidesteal

So when are you boys going to start making out? This post has turned into quite the love fest.

Listen woman.....

EDIT: *kitten* just got real, son!

badgerbadger1

So when are you boys going to start making out? This post has turned into quite the love fest.

I'd pay money to see that. Yes I would.

Rae6503

So when are you boys going to start making out? This post has turned into quite the love fest.

I'd pay money to see that. Yes I would.

I'll be back in 3 minutes...

Sidesteal

So when are you boys going to start making out? This post has turned into quite the love fest.

I'd pay money to see that. Yes I would.

I'll be back in 3 minutes...

You are awesome

Rae6503

:laugh:

AeolianHarp

Bookmarked, I only had a hard copy. Also the test subjects in that sugar study that was on 60 minutes didn't exercise and consumed 25% of their daily cals from sugar. That's a very one sided study with bad methodology.

Yet we have more food fearing individuals on MFP than I have seen anywhere else. People on here are convinced that the medical community is flawless and their deductions from studies are always accurate. Yet we have someone like Lustig who draws preposterous conclusions from such a lop-sided study and it shows us why we all need to take a critical position when accepting information.

Also, I think Ian is awesome. So many people hate on the kid but he's provided a lot of great information. I wish his stuff was on audio, though, and that way I can listen to it while I'm bussing around.

mmapags

:laugh:

ROLF! :laugh:

pinkita

I'm not even reading most of what's being posted here, just admiring the profile pics of the shirtless guys posting :laugh:

cainie19

So when are you boys going to start making out? This post has turned into quite the love fest.

I'd pay money to see that. Yes I would.

A - to the - men.

sebbysmommy

I'm not even reading most of what's being posted here, just admiring the profile pics of the shirtless guys posting :laugh:

You and me both!

Cueball55

hi. bump.