Worst Date Ever
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It's 2012. That's not the way it is and it's called equality. Guys would like to know that you like them for who they are, not what they have in the bank.
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i agree, i don't see why some guy should have to pay for the pleasure of your company. It just makes you a prostitute.
Most women these days work and earn just as much as men so they should be able to pay for a few drinks.
What happens if two girls go out on a date together? Who pays?
I also think first dates should be something simple like coffee, so you arn't stuck with some one you don't like for too long.0 -
My ex never paid for anything...a few months dating and nothing. It didn't bother me as much as we were both students at the time but still I thought...one treat would be nice as I seem to have to force you to drive me home, hold my hand or show any kind of emotion to me.
The one thing that made me upset was...after telling him I had no more money to go out for food EVERY WEEK (he was partly the reason I gained weight this year) he said he booked a nice place, to celebrate our degree, but wouldn't tell me where...
So it was a really expensive Italian restaurant... I LOVE ITALIAN. So I order my food and he orders a starter as well as a main, we have pudding...he has two drinks...then when the waitress gives us the bill (£29) he said you pay the £10 I'll pay £20.....erm WHAT????? you ordered 2 drinks....you've spilt it again after everything I said...when we spilt up my card bounced paying for the cinema...the cinema for goodness sake.....
Glad that is over....and we had so many dates like that. I used to get so embarressed.0 -
In my early 20's. Friends of mine were celebrating their anniversary and they wanted me to join them on a night out. I (mostly) jokingly said I wouldn't go unless they found me a date.
They invited a guy that we worked with, who I didn't know all that well. We'll call him Geoff. My first question was whether he was old enough to drink! (he was - actually older than me). So we all go out to a bar/club, Tuesday night $2 drinks. Very loud music, cramped - you know, the usual terrible small-town "night club" scene. Don't speak to each other because we can't (and I don't know what to say). Terrible drinks. Awkward.
Last call comes, we start walking back my friends' place where we would all crash that night (because drinking and driving is bad!). During the walk back, my friends start arguing. Maybe arguing isn't the right word - it would be more accurate to say they were attempting to start WWIII. Screaming at each other - this big dramatic fight. Terrible things being said. Extra awkward.
"Geoff" and I are embarrassed - cross the street and pretend not to know these crazy arguing people. Start getting to know each other, and actually discover we have a lot in common. Spend the rest of the night talking. Hang out daily for a month or two, then started dating.
12 years later, we're getting married
One of the worst dates I've had, but it still ended well! (and our crazy friends are still together too!!)0 -
I don't have bad date stories, since I didn't date a lot of the men that contacted me through the dating site. However, I had some doozies that would contact me!!
One guy was emailing me back and forth. I knew he was a truck driver and although I didn't really care for that idea (my dad had been a driver for many years, bath for relationships) but he was interesting to talk to anyway. We'd been chatting back and forth for about 2-3 days with quite a few emails when he gave me his number. He said, "It's really hard to read these emails when I'm driving!" WTF!! I wrote him back, "Don't text and DIE!!" ..... Never heard from him again, lol!!!
Had another guy emailing me and then texting me, he was kind of sarcastic. And frankly it was hard to tell if he was trying to be funny or was just an @ss! He would text or email nonstop for 2-3 days then nothing at all. And truly it didn't bother me when he stopped but he'd start back up again. Finally I hadn't heard from him in about a week and I thought he'd met someone or something, then he text me "Hey Lisa, still on the market? If so, we could split a pizza!" .... really??? LMAO
Another guy wanted to meet me, and he seemed nice and funny. I gave him my number and he never called. Oh well I'm thinking, no biggie. Then I get an email from him, "Well Lisa, if you'd still like to meet me, you can pick me up at the airport Friday at 5:30pm." OMG, I don't think so!!!!!!
But it's worth the stories, because I just met my recent boyfriend on there. He's amazing and lives 4 blocks from me! Never would have met him otherwise!0 -
It's 2012. That's not the way it is and it's called equality. Guys would like to know that you like them for who they are, not what they have in the bank.
i agree, i don't see why some guy should have to pay for the pleasure of your company. It just makes you a prostitute.
Most women these days work and earn just as much as men so they should be able to pay for a few drinks.
What happens if two girls go out on a date together? Who pays?
I also think first dates should be something simple like coffee, so you arn't stuck with some one you don't like for too long.
it just makes her a prostitute? so unless the bill is split someones a *kitten*?
wow. thats a fantastic outlook on life. tell me more.
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In my early 20's. Friends of mine were celebrating their anniversary and they wanted me to join them on a night out. I (mostly) jokingly said I wouldn't go unless they found me a date.
They invited a guy that we worked with, who I didn't know all that well. We'll call him Geoff. My first question was whether he was old enough to drink! (he was - actually older than me). So we all go out to a bar/club, Tuesday night $2 drinks. Very loud music, cramped - you know, the usual terrible small-town "night club" scene. Don't speak to each other because we can't (and I don't know what to say). Terrible drinks. Awkward.
Last call comes, we start walking back my friends' place where we would all crash that night (because drinking and driving is bad!). During the walk back, my friends start arguing. Maybe arguing isn't the right word - it would be more accurate to say they were attempting to start WWIII. Screaming at each other - this big dramatic fight. Terrible things being said. Extra awkward.
"Geoff" and I are embarrassed - cross the street and pretend not to know these crazy arguing people. Start getting to know each other, and actually discover we have a lot in common. Spend the rest of the night talking. Hang out daily for a month or two, then started dating.
12 years later, we're getting married
One of the worst dates I've had, but it still ended well! (and our crazy friends are still together too!!)
wooow! thats an awesome story! wow u made him wait a month! damn! ahh... that made me feel happy0 -
I was 19 when I met this cool guy at our college fair (I studied in an exclusive all girl's school) & things got along pretty well between us. Then he asked me out for the first time. I asked where we'll be heading & he told me to a fine dining restaurant inside a five-star hotel which I was thrilled to hear. The "exciting" day came where he picked me up at home with his brand new car & I was really excited along the way only to find out later when we got there, it turned out that there was a business conference of a multi-level marketing company at that restaurant & this guy was a member of that company trying to recruit me. :grumble:
Lol hilarious story0 -
Yes, i went to one, the bloke had recently split up with his wife, but obviously still in love with her, was even referring to her in present tense.
He was so nervous he was hopping from foot to foot like a nervous kid who needed a wee, and had verbal diaorrhea for the whole two hours of hell. He even told me how Marine fish tank water got distilled differently than tropical fish tank water...step by step.
We ate at Yo Sushi... and after two plates said hmm I'm stuffed and asked for the bill.. i was STARVING!
I told him i had to get home and walk the dog, he asked if he could come with me... so i faked a call from the kids and said I'm really sorry got to go, byye.....then he insisted on walking me to the car and stuck his tongue down by throat and his erection into my leg... EWWWW. Traumatised.
Lol this could be in a movie0 -
Yes, i went to one, the bloke had recently split up with his wife, but obviously still in love with her, was even referring to her in present tense.
He was so nervous he was hopping from foot to foot like a nervous kid who needed a wee, and had verbal diaorrhea for the whole two hours of hell. He even told me how Marine fish tank water got distilled differently than tropical fish tank water...step by step.
We ate at Yo Sushi... and after two plates said hmm I'm stuffed and asked for the bill.. i was STARVING!
I told him i had to get home and walk the dog, he asked if he could come with me... so i faked a call from the kids and said I'm really sorry got to go, byye.....then he insisted on walking me to the car and stuck his tongue down by throat and his erection into my leg... EWWWW. Traumatised.
Lol this could be in a movie0 -
I allowed myself to be fixed up by my boss. What I was thinking, I do not know.
He asked where I'd like to go and I mentioned a Japanese restaurant that I really liked, so we met there. I ordered my favorite thing: The chirashi sushi bowl. He ordered sushi as well, When it arrived, I licked my chops and dug in. After a couple of bites I stopped and looked at him, he wasn't eating. He sat there with his hands politely folded. I asked him why he wasn't eating, and he told me that he didn't like sushi. I asked him why he ordered sushi then, and he told me that he ordered it because I did, and that he thought I might like that.
WTF?
If that's ur worst date, congrats to you!0 -
about 2 years ago I met a guy through a dating site. First he got lost coming to pick me up about 2 hours late. When he finally arrived he took me to a restaurant because I hadn't eaten yet. He asked me to order something for him and said he had something in the car for me. I waited and waited he never came back he left me there it was 11 pm. I eat and had to call a taxi to come and get me. I had a better time talking to the taxi driver. Never heard from him again.
Woooow!0 -
A guy had been begging my friend to set him up on a date with me. She knew I wasn't interested, but I finally gave in. We decided to go as a group to a friend's house for drinks and games. I can't remember why, but I ended up driving that night. When we got to his house to pick him up he was drunk. He rambled on about nothing the entire 45 minute drive to the party. When we got to the party he jumped into a game and basically ignored me. I went downstairs to say hi to some other friends and not even 5 minutes later they were calling me back upstairs to take my "date" home. He was screaming, thrashing around and making a scene. I managed to drag him out to my car where he promptly threw up on my hood then tried to make out with me.
The drive back all he did was moan and whimper. We got to a stop sign (in January in Montana) and he opened his door. I screamed at him to shut it because people were waiting for us to go. When he closed it the smell hit me. He had *kitten* his pants. In my car. It didn't stay in his pants. The last 20 minutes of the drive I had to make with the windows down. We pulled up to his house and he was passed out, so I went to his side to drag him out of the car onto his lawn. As I started to move him he puked. It was all over. My center console, the driver's seat, the passenger seat and it even splattered my radio. Thankfully one of his roommates was home and saw what was going on. He brought out a towel and dragged the guy inside.0 -
A guy had been begging my friend to set him up on a date with me. She knew I wasn't interested, but I finally gave in. We decided to go as a group to a friend's house for drinks and games. I can't remember why, but I ended up driving that night. When we got to his house to pick him up he was drunk. He rambled on about nothing the entire 45 minute drive to the party. When we got to the party he jumped into a game and basically ignored me. I went downstairs to say hi to some other friends and not even 5 minutes later they were calling me back upstairs to take my "date" home. He was screaming, thrashing around and making a scene. I managed to drag him out to my car where he promptly threw up on my hood then tried to make out with me.
The drive back all he did was moan and whimper. We got to a stop sign (in January in Montana) and he opened his door. I screamed at him to shut it because people were waiting for us to go. When he closed it the smell hit me. He had *kitten* his pants. In my car. It didn't stay in his pants. The last 20 minutes of the drive I had to make with the windows down. We pulled up to his house and he was passed out, so I went to his side to drag him out of the car onto his lawn. As I started to move him he puked. It was all over. My center console, the driver's seat, the passenger seat and it even splattered my radio. Thankfully one of his roommates was home and saw what was going on. He brought out a towel and dragged the guy inside.0 -
usmc, I just read that to my husband. He agrees. If bad date stories were an Olympic sport, you would be a gold medalist.0
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Yes, i went to one, the bloke had recently split up with his wife, but obviously still in love with her, was even referring to her in present tense.
He was so nervous he was hopping from foot to foot like a nervous kid who needed a wee, and had verbal diaorrhea for the whole two hours of hell. He even told me how Marine fish tank water got distilled differently than tropical fish tank water...step by step.
We ate at Yo Sushi... and after two plates said hmm I'm stuffed and asked for the bill.. i was STARVING!
I told him i had to get home and walk the dog, he asked if he could come with me... so i faked a call from the kids and said I'm really sorry got to go, byye.....then he insisted on walking me to the car and stuck his tongue down by throat and his erection into my leg... EWWWW. Traumatised.0 -
After my ex had insisted that all 'nice guys finish last' while we were dating, I had made it my mission to give all nice guys that asked me out at least one chance before I got rid of them (LOL).
So I went out for drinks with this one guy who seemed oh so strange, yet nice enough. Anyway, he bought me one drink, we chatted for about an hour, but because I was dead tired for work, I told him that it was time to call it a night. His response was "Okay, back to my place then?" And I was like "Umm, no? I'm going home." And he responded "What are you serious? We're going back to my place, obviously".
He was literally gobsmacked that after ONE drink, I wouldn't bang him.
So in the end, he wasn't very nice after all!! And he was not good looking in any way, and was extremely short (HUGE deal breaker for me), nor was I giving off any sexual energy, so he didn't even have any justification for being so upfront about it.
So so gross.0 -
about 2 years ago I met a guy through a dating site. First he got lost coming to pick me up about 2 hours late. When he finally arrived he took me to a restaurant because I hadn't eaten yet. He asked me to order something for him and said he had something in the car for me. I waited and waited he never came back he left me there it was 11 pm. I eat and had to call a taxi to come and get me. I had a better time talking to the taxi driver. Never heard from him again.0
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Err.. I met someone online and that same night we decided to meet. O-M-G! Everything from what he looked like (diff than pic), to his clothes and his accent was just too much for me! I ordered a glass of wine and stayed as long as I could (maybe 20 minutes?). Texted someone to call me and rushed out to help my "roommate" in an emergency and told him I would be back. As I'm running out the door the bouncer stops me and immediately knew what was going on, lol. Talked to him a few minutes and ran off. Texted the guy 10 minutes later and said I couldn't make it back. That was the end of it, THANKFULLY! Never did that again!0
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Years ago I had a summer job in my town and the guy I had been crushing on finally asked me out. At the end of the night he went in for the kiss. . . and sneezed in my mouth. In. my. mouth.
Then I have recently ended a long term relationship and have started online dating (not fun, or sucessful), and one of the very first dates I show up to, the guys was missing 4 front teeth. He was literally Cletus the Slackjawed yokel from the Simpsons. Lesson: when online dating, always make sure there is a picture of them open-mouthed smiling.0 -
I went out with a guy recently, while back at his place, started shaving his dog with hair clippers :-). Awkward!0
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so i met this guy through work we were both extremly shy, him i would say more than me, after about date 5 or 6 we were watching a movie at his place and i thought we are acting more like friends than dating so i said... so are ya gonna kiss me? so we start kissing then all of a sudden hes on top of me and taking off his shirt... im like wtf, this guy i know is a virgin and hes like ready to get it on, so i kinda pushed him away and made a comment about taking it slow, hes like okay i understand, he then turns to me and says... how about a tit ****, Im like omg watch much porn???? i made an excuse to leave and dident hear from him again... thank goodness lol0
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Oh, I think I have all of you beat!
So, I meet this guy online. We had been talking for a while and found that we had a lot in common. He asks me out for dinner and I say yes. I arrive at the italian restaraunt that we agree to meet at and here is where the fun begins ladies and gentlemen. First off, he is about 10 years older than what his pictures looked like, and slightly balding. To best describe him, he looked like a cancer patient. I was raised to never judge a book by its cover so I let that slide. We go inside and sit down at the table and we order and start talking and things are going okay and then the akward conversation begins. He proceeds to tell me that he is into bdsm and has a balloon fetish. I was not quite sure what that was, but as they say, curiosity killed the cat. He explains that he is aroused by balloons. What!?! Can you repeat that? Yes, he said that he is sexually aroused by ballons. Now, I thought he was trolling me so I laugh it off and he proceeds to tell me in depth how balloons are made. By this time, our food has arrived. So while we are eating he continues to talk and then he springs it on me. He asks me to do unspeakable things with balloons such as putting deflated balloons in my private parts so when I am not around him, he can blow them up and smell 'me' on them and lick the taste off of it. I am mortified. I dont even know how to respond to this but I am no longer hungry. Not only does he want me to do this with balloons but he wants me to go back to his apartment and do it to his pillow so he can smell me there when he sleeps. I am ready to leave at this point so I tell him that I am not feeling well and I need to leave. The waiter comes over and takes the dirty dishes from our table and asks us if we would like desert and my date looks at the waiter and says "No, I will be having desert in about 15 minutes, when I take her home and bend her over my couch!" I look at the water and shake my head NO NO NO and he laughs. So my date pays and walks me to my car... which was so not necessary. I would rather take my chances with rapists and theives than him, but I digress. So we are standing at my car and he says "Get your fat a** over here and give me a kiss, you sexy BBW!" Apparenlty, he has a BBW fetish as well. I just look at him and shake my head, get in my car without saying a word, and drive off. It was awfull!
yeah i think we have a winner !
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great thread, its making my day at work fly by. :drinker:0
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Oh, I think I have all of you beat!
So, I meet this guy online. We had been talking for a while and found that we had a lot in common. He asks me out for dinner and I say yes. I arrive at the italian restaraunt that we agree to meet at and here is where the fun begins ladies and gentlemen. First off, he is about 10 years older than what his pictures looked like, and slightly balding. To best describe him, he looked like a cancer patient. I was raised to never judge a book by its cover so I let that slide. We go inside and sit down at the table and we order and start talking and things are going okay and then the akward conversation begins. He proceeds to tell me that he is into bdsm and has a balloon fetish. I was not quite sure what that was, but as they say, curiosity killed the cat. He explains that he is aroused by balloons. What!?! Can you repeat that? Yes, he said that he is sexually aroused by ballons. Now, I thought he was trolling me so I laugh it off and he proceeds to tell me in depth how balloons are made. By this time, our food has arrived. So while we are eating he continues to talk and then he springs it on me. He asks me to do unspeakable things with balloons such as putting deflated balloons in my private parts so when I am not around him, he can blow them up and smell 'me' on them and lick the taste off of it. I am mortified. I dont even know how to respond to this but I am no longer hungry. Not only does he want me to do this with balloons but he wants me to go back to his apartment and do it to his pillow so he can smell me there when he sleeps. I am ready to leave at this point so I tell him that I am not feeling well and I need to leave. The waiter comes over and takes the dirty dishes from our table and asks us if we would like desert and my date looks at the waiter and says "No, I will be having desert in about 15 minutes, when I take her home and bend her over my couch!" I look at the water and shake my head NO NO NO and he laughs. So my date pays and walks me to my car... which was so not necessary. I would rather take my chances with rapists and theives than him, but I digress. So we are standing at my car and he says "Get your fat a** over here and give me a kiss, you sexy BBW!" Apparenlty, he has a BBW fetish as well. I just look at him and shake my head, get in my car without saying a word, and drive off. It was awfull!
OMG, are u serious. This is the absolute winner.. ALL i can say is WOOOOOOOOOOW *in flava flav voice*0 -
A guy had been begging my friend to set him up on a date with me. She knew I wasn't interested, but I finally gave in. We decided to go as a group to a friend's house for drinks and games. I can't remember why, but I ended up driving that night. When we got to his house to pick him up he was drunk. He rambled on about nothing the entire 45 minute drive to the party. When we got to the party he jumped into a game and basically ignored me. I went downstairs to say hi to some other friends and not even 5 minutes later they were calling me back upstairs to take my "date" home. He was screaming, thrashing around and making a scene. I managed to drag him out to my car where he promptly threw up on my hood then tried to make out with me.
The drive back all he did was moan and whimper. We got to a stop sign (in January in Montana) and he opened his door. I screamed at him to shut it because people were waiting for us to go. When he closed it the smell hit me. He had *kitten* his pants. In my car. It didn't stay in his pants. The last 20 minutes of the drive I had to make with the windows down. We pulled up to his house and he was passed out, so I went to his side to drag him out of the car onto his lawn. As I started to move him he puked. It was all over. My center console, the driver's seat, the passenger seat and it even splattered my radio. Thankfully one of his roommates was home and saw what was going on. He brought out a towel and dragged the guy inside.
i literally LOL'd on this story.. lol " When he closed it the smell hit me. He had *kitten* his pants."0 -
I never pay on the first date. I tell them it's dutch as soon as it's decided to go on a date. This way I don't run into the woman who like to go out with guys for the "free" meal and drinks. Some think that's rude, perfectly fine with me, just saved myself time and money. To those who don't mind, or like the idea, great, we can be ourselves and not have to try n impress no one with paying, where were going out to, how much money you have, or lack there of. Second date and beyond, I always pay. First date, gotta get the drift raft outta the way. I'm not in it for the "lay" anymore, I want some substance. JUST MY OPINION..........
yah I think arranging dutch beforehand is ok too, I just like to pay in general because I don't like squabbling over the bill, so with my friends ill just pay and they throw whatever cash they have at me. not really worried about a couple of £.
I just to pay because I think its a nice thing to do. I kind of see dates as a chance to give a girl a day they will remember. meet in the afternoon, walk and talk through my favourite part of the city, drink coffee, maybe go to a museum, street markets, french danish, artspaces. it used to be my saturday thing.
even if you only saw them once, you still gave them a day they will remember, thats doing a little good in the world. I always see them again tho. hehe.
It's called being a gentleman and if the girl is a lady, it is appreciated and makes her feel special. I agree there are trolls in the world who want to take advantage of guys as much as guys take advantage of girls, but in my book chivalry never goes out of style:flowerforyou: . I date for whats in a guys heart and eyes, not in his pockets. Don't believe me? Married a guy I met while volunteering in a homeless shelter. It didn't work out in a major way (which is why I will never ever date again), but I obviously wasn't with him for his money. If you are worried about shelling out a lot of money on a troll make the first date something low cost like coffee.0 -
It's 2012. That's not the way it is and it's called equality. Guys would like to know that you like them for who they are, not what they have in the bank.
i agree, i don't see why some guy should have to pay for the pleasure of your company. It just makes you a prostitute.
Most women these days work and earn just as much as men so they should be able to pay for a few drinks.
What happens if two girls go out on a date together? Who pays?
I also think first dates should be something simple like coffee, so you arn't stuck with some one you don't like for too long.
it just makes her a prostitute? so unless the bill is split someones a *kitten*?
wow. thats a fantastic outlook on life. tell me more.0 -
In my early 20's. Friends of mine were celebrating their anniversary and they wanted me to join them on a night out. I (mostly) jokingly said I wouldn't go unless they found me a date.
They invited a guy that we worked with, who I didn't know all that well. We'll call him Geoff. My first question was whether he was old enough to drink! (he was - actually older than me). So we all go out to a bar/club, Tuesday night $2 drinks. Very loud music, cramped - you know, the usual terrible small-town "night club" scene. Don't speak to each other because we can't (and I don't know what to say). Terrible drinks. Awkward.
Last call comes, we start walking back my friends' place where we would all crash that night (because drinking and driving is bad!). During the walk back, my friends start arguing. Maybe arguing isn't the right word - it would be more accurate to say they were attempting to start WWIII. Screaming at each other - this big dramatic fight. Terrible things being said. Extra awkward.
"Geoff" and I are embarrassed - cross the street and pretend not to know these crazy arguing people. Start getting to know each other, and actually discover we have a lot in common. Spend the rest of the night talking. Hang out daily for a month or two, then started dating.
12 years later, we're getting married
One of the worst dates I've had, but it still ended well! (and our crazy friends are still together too!!)
wooow! thats an awesome story! wow u made him wait a month! damn! ahh... that made me feel happy
haha. I should have made him wait longer before dating him. LOL (he made me wait 12 years for engagement!)0 -
Well, I have 2...
One is the 1st date that never happened. I had met this guy online, we chatted a while, texted, etc. He seemed nice and sincere, single father, never an inappropriate word, blah blah blah. So after about a week or so, he asks if I want to go out. I said yes and we would be in contact later that evening to make arrangements to meet. I was excited and nervous, but looking forward to it. So he contacts me later that day, and I asked him what he had in mind for our date. His response was "honeymoon suite, fireplace, roomservice"..WTF???? really? that's your idea of a first date. I told him thanks, but no thanks, I'm not interested in hooking up. and that was the end of him.
Second one, well I guess there's a theme here...met this guy online, decided to go out. We agreed to meet at a local place, (NOT the honeymoon suite..haha). I walked in and he spotted me, comes walking over, turns out he has a deformed arm, is about 10 yrs older and 6 inches shorter than his pictures. Now, don't get me wrong, I could have looked past the arm, but I was appalled that I had no warning and didn't quite know how to react, so I didn't. I did stay and have a drink, chatted a bit thanked him, and never saw him again.
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I don't know where these guys come from. A man should always pay on the first date, and probably the second.
its just the way it is.
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I never pay on the first date. I tell them it's dutch as soon as it's decided to go on a date. This way I don't run into the woman who like to go out with guys for the "free" meal and drinks. Some think that's rude, perfectly fine with me, just saved myself time and money. To those who don't mind, or like the idea, great, we can be ourselves and not have to try n impress no one with paying, where were going out to, how much money you have, or lack there of. Second date and beyond, I always pay. First date, gotta get the drift raft outta the way. I'm not in it for the "lay" anymore, I want some substance. JUST MY OPINION..........
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When I go out on a first date, I always expect to pay. However, that being said, I don't have a problem if the guy is up front about who will pay. If he wants to go dutch, just say so before the date begins, that way there is no hard feelings afterwards. It does not make you look like a jerk. If, however, she refuses to go along with going dutch, then she is being a jerk. We live in an equal society. Some women actually make more money then men.0
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