Can we really have it all?

Danielle_2013
Danielle_2013 Posts: 806 Member
edited January 6 in Social Groups
 So this was  some advice to young women from Mike's favorite blig...The Rules Revisited.

Notice especially that many attractive qualities [in men] are often mutually exclusive (e.g. ambition and easygoing-ness, responsibility and spontaneity, or strength and sensitivity).

I have often bemoaned my inability to find a partner who is both sexually passionate and romantic as well as all of the other qualities I want. I have been assured that all of this can exist in one individual, but honestly? I doubt it. I have met a heck of a lot of people in my life, and very few seem to really be that complex or contradictory or have multiple and conflicting qualities.

I am interested in whether you agree that some qualities are mutually exclusive in men or women, and what you are willing to give up or trade for.

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  • christine24t
    christine24t Posts: 6,063 Member
    On the first post on the Rules Revisited, there is a link to this article.

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2012/12/07/hookinguprealities/aging-millennial-females-provide-a-cautionary-tale/#more-10919

    It's a good read.
    I don't think we can have it all.
    You might find most of it, but you will have to make compromises.

    I don't want to be picky. I want a man who makes me feel things...and makes me feel comfortable. That's all. I don't care if he's a manager at Office Max or a CEO.

    The only non-negotiable I have is height. And probably race...I just don't see myself dating someone outside my race.
  • DMZ_1
    DMZ_1 Posts: 2,889 Member
    No.
  • flimflamfloz
    flimflamfloz Posts: 1,980 Member
    "Can we really have it all?"
    Notice especially that many attractive qualities [in men] are often mutually exclusive (e.g. ambition and easygoing-ness, responsibility and spontaneity, or strength and sensitivity).
    Does such a partner exist?
    These are false dichotomies...
    Ambitious => ambitionless
    easygoing => difficult
    responsible => irresponsible
    ...
    What's more, you can have different qualities in different domains (i.e. be a spontaneous humorist but not be spontaneous in terms of nights out for example).
    I have often bemoaned my inability to find a partner who is both sexually passionate and romantic as well as all of the other qualities I want.
    Can you find such a partner?
    This isn't a personal attack, but to answer your question fully you need to ask yourself "Do I deserve such a partner?", "Am I offering an attractive package to this partner?", "Where does my inability to find such a partner really come from? The said partner or me?".

    And then this me can be broken down further into:
    - Am I looking in the right place for such a partner?
    - Am I the right person for such a partner? (i.e. will they notice me and want to interact with me, be attracted by me)
    - Am I able to identify such a partner accurately? (i.e. do I know what to look for to find such a person in a crowd of 100 people and what are my strategies to recognise such a partner)
    - Am I really attracted to such a partner or is it just something that seems nice when I'm thinking about it?

    (and probably more)
    I am interested in whether you agree that some qualities are mutually exclusive in men or women, and what you are willing to give up or trade for.
    The short answer to your question is:
    While some qualities are mutually exclusive, none of the qualities you mentioned seemed particularly mutually exclusive to me. People can have got different personalities in different contexts (work, home, friend, sex)
  • castadiva
    castadiva Posts: 2,016 Member
    Notice especially that many attractive qualities [in men] are often mutually exclusive (e.g. ambition and easygoing-ness, responsibility and spontaneity, or strength and sensitivity).

    I have often bemoaned my inability to find a partner who is both sexually passionate and romantic as well as all of the other qualities I want. I have been assured that all of this can exist in one individual, but honestly? I doubt it. I have met a heck of a lot of people in my life, and very few seem to really be that complex or contradictory or have multiple and conflicting qualities.

    I am interested in whether you agree that some qualities are mutually exclusive in men or women, and what you are willing to give up or trade for.

    I think very few qualities are completely mutually exclusive - certainly not strength and sensitivity, to pick one of the examples. What I do think is that one sees different aspects of people's personalities, depending on the situation in which you first meet them, and the context in which they mentally 'set' you. Someone who knows me only in professional capacity, and who I see solely as a professional contact, is unlikely to see the easy-going or spontaneous sides of my nature - they'll get a full dose of responsible, highly-focused me, and will probably read ambition from that. Someone who only knows me socially, and who I have no professional contact with or context for, will see a totally different version of my personality.

    Socially-adept people tend to present only the most situationally-appropriate aspects of their personality in any given context. That's why someone who doesn't understand social cues (someone with Aspergers, for example) or chooses to flout them deliberately, can be very jarring - their social responses, and the aspects of their personality they reveal, are not contextually-appropriate. Would you feel comfortable with a work colleague openly displaying his sexually passionate and romantic nature in a professional context? I'd say it's unlikely. The fact that he doesn't has more to do with context and situation than it does the existence or otherwise of those traits in his nature.

    Can we have it all in one person? I think most people are a walking, talking, contradictory mess - I certainly am. Some people certainly display extremes of one characteristic, but rarely, in my opinion, does that mean they truly completely lack the balancing trait; rather, they have chosen to develop, or circumstance has made necessary the development of, that particular element of their personality, or they only feel comfortable/appropriate displaying that specific trait in the situation at hand. Get to know them better, or in a different context, and you may be surprised what you discover.
  • AnnaPixie
    AnnaPixie Posts: 7,439 Member
    I dont think any one person has it all. But I think you can find one person that fits with you. So, they are not perfect, but perfect for YOU!

    And I also think that as you spend more and more time together, character traits kinda rub off! So whilst a core personality doesn't really change, I think we naturally change and adapt as time and experience takes it's toll. This could be towards or against the grain of the other person!! Hence why people fall 'together' the longer they are together, or fall apart!
  • shammxo
    shammxo Posts: 1,432 Member
    It's unrealistic to expect that one person will have everything. If we did, I highly doubt that there would be so many happy couples runnin' around. In my opinion there is always(maybe not ALWAYS) going to be that ONE thing that someone is missing... But most of the time it won't be that big of a deal.
    I think that relationships require compromise... Much like everything else in life.

    I agree with Anna that we can change or "adapt" over time but don't really change at our core.
  • kerrymh
    kerrymh Posts: 912 Member
    Realistically no
    I know I won't find someone who meets this giant check list of perfection that I want.
    People are flawed.
    Does that mean I give up totally and just go find a homeless man on the street corner?
    No..I still want some physical and mental stimulation. I don't think I'll find someone who has everything in common with me.
    Maybe he'll be alittle dull..or not very adventurous. Maybe he'll not be helpful around the house...who knows I'm sure there will be something about him that will annoy the crap out of me as time goes on. But if he can rev my engine every so often..in general we can live together and are a good team...and he wants a family life..then I'll take him! At this point I just can't be picky I'm not a hot 20 something. I realize this is called settling. I dream of romance..I'm a romantic..but I'm at the point where something is better than nothing at all.
  • Danielle_2013
    Danielle_2013 Posts: 806 Member
    Wow. Now this ^^^ is a honest and very interesting answer.
  • TheKitsune6
    TheKitsune6 Posts: 5,798 Member
    I think those kinds of lists are silly because they are both hyper specific (numbered and lettered lists!), but not specific at all. You want a guy that is ambitious? Ambitious how? As in he went to school and got a job in a competitive field and in order to keep that job he has work work 80 weeks including weekend? Or ambitious as in he got a good job and when an opportunity to advance comes up he guns for it? Spontaneous how? Spontaneous as in *kitten* work let's go on a road trip or spontaneous as in "THAT STORE IS CALLED SUPER CHINA! We must investigate it!" and you spend an hour poking around.

    It's not that it's impossible to find someone with all those things, it's just that we have to find them at the level that meets our needs and desires. Then on top of that the levels that we want in a relationship may turn out to be not as good as their other traits, or you find that what you wanted won't work long term because while it's awesome to have someone that can get up and go at the drop of a hat, YOU don't have a career that you can let pass you by.

    It's not about settling, it should never be about settling. It is about being compatible and finding the person that fits you.
  • castadiva
    castadiva Posts: 2,016 Member

    It's not that it's impossible to find someone with all those things, it's just that we have to find them at the level that meets our needs and desires. Then on top of that the levels that we want in a relationship may turn out to be not as good as their other traits, or you find that what you wanted won't work long term because while it's awesome to have someone that can get up and go at the drop of a hat, YOU don't have a career that you can let pass you by.

    It's not about settling, it should never be about settling. It is about being compatible and finding the person that fits you.

    Well put, Kit! I think I may have misunderstood the question :laugh:
  • Danielle_2013
    Danielle_2013 Posts: 806 Member
    Casta- it was a two part question really!

    One - mutually exclusive qualities -true?
    Two - the issue of settling and is it a bad thing

    Although I find parts of said blog interesting (frightening?)...it is very black and white and I am all grey..
    I think we are all a mix of qualities that are highlighted in different situations.
  • afv417
    afv417 Posts: 466 Member
    I have learned that one person does NOT have it all. Including myself.

    Do I believe I will find someone one day that I can truly be happy with? Yes.
    Do I believe they will be my "perfect" person? No.
    Do I believe I will have to make a sacrifice or two or three to be happy with one person? Yes.
    Am I ok with this? Yes.
  • pa_jorg
    pa_jorg Posts: 4,401 Member
    I dont think any one person has it all. But I think you can find one person that fits with you. So, they are not perfect, but perfect for YOU!

    And I also think that as you spend more and more time together, character traits kinda rub off! So whilst a core personality doesn't really change, I think we naturally change and adapt as time and experience takes it's toll. This could be towards or against the grain of the other person!! Hence why people fall 'together' the longer they are together, or fall apart!

    We are all human and all flawed so things may not be perfect, but relationships over time do have a way of becoming comfortable where you can either compromise or just accommodate the other persons needs and wants.
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