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lets debate MFP's so called heavy lifting trend

brandon0523

I see this everywhere on this forum.. lift heavy blah blah I'm doing 5x5 strong lifts blah blah. I actually just seen someone say if you aren't going to lift heavy to find a new hobby.. wow... really.. cut your cardio and lift heavy to tone.. hmmmmm

My opinion.. 5x5 isn't lifting heavy. Anything more than reps to me is cardio. Heavy day for me is 8 sets of triples doubles and singles. I also don't thing you should push this so called "heavy lifting" on everyone.. that's stupid. Everyone's body is different and reacts different. Plus a new persons tendons and ligaments need to get accustomed to thus new life style and if you go pushing them to the max they will be hurt more than healthy.. to me I think we should let the advice to people actually come from people who know what they are doing and not from someone who just read this **** online.. you can go ahead and do what you want for yourself but please don't push your ignorance on others to get them hurt..

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Sarauk2sf

Have no idea what that is, but I will keep an eye out for it.

taunto

A what?

brandon0523

its a TV show on tru TV.. people try to break records in the Guinness book of work records.. I'm doing the most frying pans rolled in a minute.. you take a metal 10" pan and roll it up like a burritos

MisterDerpington

Just Googled wtf that is....and it's badass. You Strongmen do the weirdest things to test grip strength though.

nz_deevaa

I'm having grip issues, maybe I need to start rolling frying pans.

brandon0523

Yes sir we do.. and I must say this was much more fun that sitting in the chit chat thread watching people lie to each other

MisterDerpington

It sounds like an expensive accessory exercise.

brandon0523

plate pinches.. use 5lb plates and grip as many as you can for as long as you can.. easiest grip work other than dead lifts. 5lbs to easy use 10lb plates..

MisterDerpington

nz_deevaa

Yeap. I do em.

And farmers walks and a few other things.

Sarauk2sf

Its good that you are using farmers walks to help with your grip...as apparently they help with your grip.

nz_deevaa

Lucky!

Fab30s

As a fatty who was always told 'JUST RUN, YOU FATTY' I call giant BS on this. Sure, one dilweed got a little bit over-zealous and said "IF YOU DON'T LIFT YOU'RE A WASTE OF SPACE" or some crap, but that doesn't mean the few thousand people 'lifting heavy' on MFP are all twats. I wish someone had screamed that at ME 5 years ago, so I could've started sooner. I started morbidly obese, ridiculously unfit and pathologically averse to exercise... I'm now deadlifting more than most of the big burly guys in the gym and I have serious fkn muscles. Obviously, when I started I wasn't lifting much, but the more I do the heavier it gets. I'm not sure where you've set the universal bar for what legitimately constitutes *heavy*, but quite frankly sir, I don't give a toss! I lift *HEAVY* for me, and often do 1RM style workouts. And I, too, will recommend lifting heavy to ANYONE who'll give me 20 seconds to tell them about it.
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BUMP!!

taunto

Wait I thought this was a joke or something? Is this for real? I should be plate pinching and looking up farmers walks for help with grips?

pcastagner

That's assuming your system was balanced when you started.

I started too strong in the muscles that fold me up, not strong enough in the muscles that unfold me. I believe there are environmental causes, like sitting at chairs and desks. Yes, you start out balanced - as a toddler. But after that, it's all downhill in terms of both musculature and kinesthesia.

I just wanted to chime in that I agree with the OP.

Fozzi43

Blimey.

Sarauk2sf

Yep - legit

pcastagner

Unlikely. The only way to bring balance is to change your everyday habits, and correct the debauched kinesthesia you develop as an adaptation to your environment. If you do compound moves and you still slouch all day, and the muscles that bring you to full stature remain weaker than the ones pulling you down, you will simply compound your problems. Go take some Alexander technique lessons, then come back and tell me compound lifts made you balanced. The problem of how you use yourself is still there unless you train yourself to overcome it. Watch a toddler pick an object off the ground. Is that how you do it?

Sarauk2sf

BTW - this convo bears quoting...:flowerforyou:

Edited to get the whole conversation in

brandon0523

the power of lilacs do great things

pcastagner

Good old Walt said it best

192. When Lilacs Last in the Door-yard Bloom’d

1

WHEN lilacs last in the door-yard bloom’d,
And the great star early droop’d in the western sky in the night,
I mourn’d—and yet shall mourn with ever-returning spring.

O ever-returning spring! trinity sure to me you bring;
Lilac blooming perennial, and drooping star in the west, 5
And thought of him I love.

2

O powerful, western, fallen star!
O shades of night! O moody, tearful night!
O great star disappear’d! O the black murk that hides the star!
O cruel hands that hold me powerless! O helpless soul of me! 10
O harsh surrounding cloud, that will not free my soul!

3

In the door-yard fronting an old farm-house, near the white-wash’d palings,
Stands the lilac bush, tall-growing, with heart-shaped leaves of rich green,
With many a pointed blossom, rising, delicate, with the perfume strong I love,
With every leaf a miracle......and from this bush in the door-yard, 15
With delicate-color’d blossoms, and heart-shaped leaves of rich green,
A sprig, with its flower, I break.

brandon0523

I just wanna highlight one thing here.. he is correct a baby or a toddler have the best lifting form.. watch them. Feet apart knees don't go past the toes.. they squat deep and flat on their feet with a straight back. Its awesome

Sarauk2sf

pcastagner

And the interesting thing about the toddler, is that nobody taught them how to move, and they have not done compound lifts.

Which sort of implies its the bad form and slouching that is learned, not the good form and coming up to full stature. Which sort of implies that correcting it involves more unlearning than learning.

CristinaL1983

Tagging

brandon0523

Now we are playing tag. This is great.. we went from talking to fighting to sharing flowers to talking about babies and now playing tag

HelloDan

Awesome form if you're head makes up 1/4 of your total height, maybe I'm just different, but my head is a lot smaller in proportion to the rest of my body!

Sarauk2sf

What is wrong about his form, assuming that his head was not 1/4 of his height? Not sure of the relevance but I could be missing something.

Yogi_Carl

Love the picture above - we are taught to do this in Yoga!

HelloDan

It's not that there is anything terribly wrong with HIS form, its that it's cited as an example for adults to copy, which can't happen, due to having a completely different physique.