Educate me!

DietBlackCherry
DietBlackCherry Posts: 2 Member
edited January 31 in Health and Weight Loss
Heeello there! As you may have noticed, I am very new to this site. In fact, this is my first post in the forums. :3

Unnnnfotunately unlike many of you, my lifestyle and habits are not ideal. Obviously, I'm here, because I'd like to change that. Managing myself on my own is getting to be a bit of an ordeal... That being said, I don't need a bunch of jocks attacking me for what I'm about to say. I KNOW it's a problem, and that's why I'm asking for help. TwT;

A bit about the physical me.... I'm 5'10", and quite large boned for a gal. I've never really been outside of a healthy weight bracket, but I've never had a stellar self-image, either... When I turned twenty one, and went though my alcohol phase, I put on a good twenty pounds, maxing out at a meaty 160 pounds. Not exactly FAT, but definitely meaty. Many people ask if I'm a model, as I am rather blessed in where my body chooses to stash pounds. I'm mostly butt and thighs, and always have been quite lean up top, even in my heavier days. Small in the chest, but perky enough to make up for it. :3

My boyfriend has always been in love with my body and extremely supportive, but his family...? Not so much.... It really broke my heart when I overheard his brother making some rather harsh comments about my recent gain... I don't need some shallow idiot's input to be aware of my poundage, and my natural sensitivity really hit me rather hard. His family is very petty and hypocritical, and I feel like such a fool to let them get to me like that....

But this is not where the story ends.

Since his family's new fad of critiquing my body, I've become obsessed with losing weight. My metabolism is definitely on my side, as I am naturally built to be long and lean. In just a two months, I've managed to pare off the extra twenty pounds that I had put on PLUS ten more, leaving me at a respectable 130 as of today.

Unfortunately, this sudden and intense weight loss has done very little for my self-image, and I am beginning to grow concerned for my physical and mental health. The famous BMI scale is telling me that I'm nearing the underweight bracket, but thanks to my every bountiful thighs and behind, I still see a cow every time I look in the mirror.

My boyfriend is getting very frustrated with me, and is begging me not to lose any more weight, even feeding me to death every time I go to visit him. Of course, this is only hurting my self esteem MORE, so I'm at a bit of a loss of what to do about this... I know a lot of it has to do with self-esteem, and I'd STILL like to lose a bit more so I can at LEAST walk around in shorts....

But I know I'm doing it wrong. I restrict calories to terrifying levels, and spend about two hours a day jogging. I've never had good eating habits, so starvation has always been my weight loss tool, but it's hurting my quality of life at this point. I struggle with strength and energy, and now its getting to the point that I can tell that my health is leaving me. I know that I have to kick this shallow habit, but I don't want to blimp up again, either.

Sooo, I guess my first step is trying to find a support group. I think it's time I was educated on FITNESS not just on being skinny. :I What might you recommend I do to help boost me out of this body image despair, and what type of diet should I consider to help bring my strength and happiness back....?

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  • Sedna_51
    Sedna_51 Posts: 277 Member
    Oh hon. (hugs) It sounds like your self-worth is very intricately tied up with your physical appearance, and the quickest and easiest way to start figuring that out would be with a good counselor. I'd recommend starting at nationaleatingdisorders.org and going from there. The hotline might be an easy place to start.

    And believe me, nobody's lifestyle and habits are ideal. If they were, none of us would be on here. We're all trying to figure it out.
  • Sedna_51
    Sedna_51 Posts: 277 Member
    I'm also going to post an article from NEDA that I find useful. http://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/can-you-tell-anything-persons-weight

    Can You Tell Anything By a Person's Weight?
    By Deb Burgard, PhD
    If you have grown up in this culture, you probably associate quite a few things with fatness and quite a few of the opposite traits with thinness. Almost every audience comes up with the same lists:
    Fat: Lazy, Depressed, Sick, Out of control, Loser, Bad
    Thin: Productive, Confident, Healthy, Disciplined, Sexy, Good
    Even though these associations are not something people from other cultures (or other times in history) believe, they are so strong and unquestioned in our own time that they form the basis of our weight stereotyping, bias, and stigma. To test your own associations, go take the Weight version of the Implicit Attitudes Test. The test does not measure whether you inflict weight bias on people, but rather how strongly you have been taught to associate certain concepts with weight.
    It might be surprising to know that weight stigma hurts both thin and fat people. In my work with people of all sizes who are struggling with disordered eating, it is clear that a huge factor in their misery is almost always the worry that they will be humiliated and rejected because of their weight - no matter what their weight is. I have had people sitting in my office who look like they walked straight out of a fashion magazine who are convinced they are not thin enough, not perfect enough, and not good enough (and some of them are absolutely accurate about the impossible standards of their world of ballet or modeling or a really bad relationship). Others have endured a lifetime of negative stereotyping and discrimination as fat children or adults, and can't imagine loving the bodies they blame for the meanness of other people. Still others have witnessed the humiliation of a friend, a parent, a sibling – and are petrified about such a thing happening to them.
    So some of them have had actual experiences of weight stigma, some of them give themselves the experience of stigma within their own minds, and some are convinced that it is only a matter of time before the axe falls unless they perfect their bodies to some mythical state. No one feels safe, because everyone has times when we feel something from the "fat" column.
    When I work with clients, we have to figure out a way to handle both the real and the self-inflicted experiences of weight stigma, so that s/he can get unstuck and recover. Part of this work is to change one’s own mind about what fat and thin means. Part of it is to change other people's minds. And so today in the spirit of changing other peoples’ minds, I ask that we stop for a moment and question this weight stigma stuff, and why we keep it around.
    It seems obvious that the diet (i.e., the weight cycling) industry wants to keep it around because how else would you sell a program that never works, over and over again, and not worry about the consumer getting hip to the fact that it is useless? But even though it is a big honking industry (most recently estimated at over $60 billion), most of us are not making money from it and would be fine if it suddenly went out of business. In fact, most of us would be much better off economically with our $500-1000/year safe in our own pockets rather than the weight cycling industry.
    So what about the rest of us who aren’t profiting off this industry? Why would we perpetuate weight stigma? When you look at the lists of traits associated with "fat" and "thin" what strikes me is that they are such normal human states and traits. Is there a week that goes by when you don't feel like some of Column A and some of Column B? But the "fat" traits are painful to experience - they are the things we feel when we miss the deadline, can't get motivated, find ourselves rejected, or are diagnosed with a health problem. We would prefer not to feel them at all, and when we are promised that just by losing weight, we will become a Whole New Person (free of all the “fat” traits!), we think that would be a pretty great deal. That promise sucks us in. We cave to the illusion that life does not have to sometimes feel bad, and we perpetuate the myth that by changing our bodies, we can avoid ever feeling bad. In fact, if you feel bad, it must be your own fault.
    The truth is, few people live only in the "Thin" column. And actually, when you think about it, doing so might make you pretty insufferable. It may be the reason some people can be so immensely clueless about the weight stigma they are inflicting on others – being cut off from your own human vulnerability makes it more possible to justify “punishing” other people. Only someone who refuses to identify with the person across from her who is suffering, would add to that suffering.
    There are people who understand that weight stigma is causing suffering but feel like it is somehow going to make people care about their health. Like a person will start exercising to lose weight, but not to become more healthy, so we have to keep trying to stigmatize higher weight and promote weight loss.
    It is true that people are social animals, and are very punished by being stigmatized. But punishment is famously unpredictable as a motivator. The things people do to leave the stigmatized group are often not at all conducive to their health. Injecting poison into your skin, slicing up healthy body organs, starving yourself, taking drugs, and even repetitive weight loss attempts, are things that make people sicker. Even though I don't think people would go through half of what they do in the name of weight loss just to have lower blood pressure or better triglycerides or a lower risk of a stroke, I would argue that the net effect of the attempt to leave the stigmatized group is actually less health. Weight loss is not like trying to quit smoking. Weight cycling makes you sicker and fatter. And if your weight loss takes the form of an eating disorder you have a one of the deadliest psychiatric illnesses to battle.
    And what about the health burden of weight stigma itself? Historical studies of cultures where higher weight is not stigmatized show that people at higher weights were just as, or even more, healthy than the thinner members of the community. And perhaps the most robust finding in all of epidemiology is that social support is the holy grail of health. How can removing social support - and making people sicker - be a path to making people healthier? How can the US government telling people that we are trying to eliminate them in a generation make them healthier?
    The truth is, there is no reason to demonize people of certain weights. The far more effective message is that people can find things to do that support their health at whatever size they are. After all, the same practices and environments support health for thin or fat people. If the same cafeteria feeds the thin kids and the fat kids, why can’t we talk about what is on the menu that supports the health of all the kids? Why do we have to argue that the food has to change so we can have no fat kids? Why can’t we argue that the food should be healthy for the kids – period? We can work to create environments that support people in their efforts to thrive and make lasting efforts to take care of their bodies. Part of creating that environment is ridding it of the pollution of weight stigma.
    I grew up during times of great social upheaval, and I have seen a lot of change when it comes to social stigma. Though the world is far from perfect, it is a very different place now than it used to be if you live together without being married, or get divorced, or have a baby as a single parent, or work as a female airline pilot, or get around in a wheelchair, or raise kids as gay parents, or love someone of a different race or religion. Stigma is a kind of fashion. We can change what is fashionable. We can make weight stigma incredibly uncool. Because it is.
    So what are you going to do today to end weight stigma, in your mind, and in the world?
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
    The problem with severe calorie restriction, is that you're losing a large amount of weight, but with that, you're losing muscle, not just fat. The bigger your calorie deficit, the higher percentage of your weight loss is muscle. The high calorie deficit, coupled with the fact that you're not doing any strength training, and probably not getting enough protein intake, will all lead to a large amount of muscle loss. Looking better has nothing to do with the weight on the scale, and has everything to do with body fat percentage. You want to lower your body fat percentage. I suggest you start a weight lifting program where you lift heavy weights. Heavy means a weight that you can rep only 6-12 times to failure. Also you want to be getting at least 105 grams of protein per day at your weight.
  • SkagitYogini
    SkagitYogini Posts: 112 Member
    I agree with Sedna. Sounds like you need counseling. What you are describing sounds dangerously like anorexia nervosa. You started out your post by saying you've never really been outside a healthy weight range, but ended it by saying you don't want to "blimp up". And, seeing a "cow" in the mirror makes me worry about you.

    Please, please find someone professional to talk to, and maybe see a dietician to help you formulate a plan for healthy eating.

    By all means, keep posting here, and whatever you do, don't let the bulllies and a$$es get you down.

    Sherry
  • meadowsmummy
    meadowsmummy Posts: 108 Member
    I recommend talking to a professional. And i mean that in the most support way possible.
    Good luck
  • DietBlackCherry
    DietBlackCherry Posts: 2 Member
    Giant quote train ahoy! Dang, this site is a lot more active than I had first expected... xDD
    Oh hon. (hugs) It sounds like your self-worth is very intricately tied up with your physical appearance, and the quickest and easiest way to start figuring that out would be with a good counselor. I'd recommend starting at nationaleatingdisorders.org and going from there. The hotline might be an easy place to start.

    And believe me, nobody's lifestyle and habits are ideal. If they were, none of us would be on here. We're all trying to figure it out.

    Ggggh, I suppose everyone has a different idea of what's ideal and what's bogus, but nonetheless, I definitely have a lot to learn when it comes to health and beauty. >__<;

    Either way, I'm quite pleasantly surprised, and very much appreciate the support, and even your avi, just for making me smile. <3

    I very much identify with the reading that you've provided me, and while no body wants to admit to a problem, now is as good a time as ever!! I very much want to work on a recovery plan before I cause myself any permanent harm... TwT;
    The problem with severe calorie restriction, is that you're losing a large amount of weight, but with that, you're losing muscle, not just fat. The bigger your calorie deficit, the higher percentage of your weight loss is muscle. The high calorie deficit, coupled with the fact that you're not doing any strength training, and probably not getting enough protein intake, will all lead to a large amount of muscle loss. Looking better has nothing to do with the weight on the scale, and has everything to do with body fat percentage. You want to lower your body fat percentage. I suggest you start a weight lifting program where you lift heavy weights. Heavy means a weight that you can rep only 6-12 times to failure. Also you want to be getting at least 105 grams of protein per day at your weight.

    Hummmm... This is exactly the kind of advice I'm looking for, so a big thank you to you too, sir! Obviously I want to avoid looking bulky, but I could definitely use some trimming and toning in those problem areas. However, my biggest PHYSICAL problems with this journey are more energy than image related. Does building muscle and increasing protein in one's diet help with the energy issues that I have...? I've read that protein absorbs slower, so what can I do to avoid calories in between when I feel a crash coming on...? I'm certain that targeting fat will really help me with some of my deeper image issues, so I'm quite interested in learning more about proper sculpting and keeping my energy up. :3 Thanks again. It's a start.
    I agree with Sedna. Sounds like you need counseling. What you are describing sounds dangerously like anorexia nervosa. You started out your post by saying you've never really been outside a healthy weight range, but ended it by saying you don't want to "blimp up". And, seeing a "cow" in the mirror makes me worry about you.

    Please, please find someone professional to talk to, and maybe see a dietician to help you formulate a plan for healthy eating.

    By all means, keep posting here, and whatever you do, don't let the bulllies and a$$es get you down.

    Sherry

    Ho-hooo! Looks like ya caught me!!

    Yes, I will be the first to admit... All my life, people have noted the way I put myself down, despite my general knowledge of what's healthy and what's not... I dunno if it's an impulse or a habit, but I've gotten so used to it, I don't even listen to myself anymore....

    When I was around sixteen, I was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and ADHD. As a minor, I had therapy thrust at me from all directions. Ironically, at the time, I was ignorant to the benefits of counseling. Now that I'm ready and more than willing to try and work out my issues, I am uninsured and living on a very lean budget.... My insurance was cut off at the age of 21, so I had to quite suddenly quit the medications and therapy that I was getting.

    I wiiish it was as easy as talking to a doctor, but I simply cannot afford it right now... D: I suppose the best I can do is turn to peers on the subject and work with what free programs are available to me. Either way, your concern is extremely beneficial to me, as the people around me just scold me and knock me for the terrifying new habits that seem to be surfacing.

    It's a very sensitive subject, especially since no one around me understands what I'm going through. They all think it's something I can just turn off, and it's really frustrating... D:
    I recommend talking to a professional. And i mean that in the most support way possible.
    Good luck

    Again, I really appreciate the support. It's a huge release for me to be able to voice my concerns without being looked at like I'm some weirdo or a shallow monster... TwT;

    Unfortunately, like I've mentioned above, I don't have or know of any realistic means of PROFESSIONAL help that isn't going to break the bank for me. I recently moved back in with my dad and grandma so my boyfriend can start saving for our lives together. Most of my money is mere pocket change - I do art commissions, but sadly, I'm nothing grand, so I can put in six or more hours of work for a measly twenty bucks, and a tip if I'm lucky.

    My man very much wants to get me insurance but we're so close to buying a house, I really don't want to ruin that for us just because I need someone more understanding to talk to... >__<;
  • ddky
    ddky Posts: 381 Member
    See if there are low cost or sliding fee mental health services available in your area. Until you can get with a counselor please think of those who love you and focus on their love. Set a reasonable daily calorie goal for maintenance, there are lots of calculators out there, and shoot for maintenance. Eat every one of those calories whether you want them or not. Don't lose another ounce. I am the same height as you and I weighed 135 in high school and was under weight, so I know that you are already too thin. Good luck to you.
  • Sedna_51
    Sedna_51 Posts: 277 Member
    Some resources on low-cost therapy: http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/finding-low-cost-counseling

    I'd keep looking through the NEDA site- I don't have a diagnosis of an eating disorder, but reading through their pieces helps keep my feet on the ground when it comes to how I feel about my body and its appearance. They've really helped me out.

    I'd agree with ddky, please make it a goal to maintain your current weight if you possibly can.

    And I will add, as someone who's been to therapy on and off for half my life (since I was fifteen): It is the best. Oh my god. It's hard! It's not fun initially, especially because you have to dig around and figure out what's driving you to do these things, and that can be super uncomfortable! But if you grit your teeth and pull through it, you can get to a point where you're telling your brain what to do, not the other way around. And that's an incredible feeling that's worth all the work. Also: therapists are literally paid to not be judgmental. They have heard EVERYTHING. They don't have an agenda, you don't have to worry about offending them, they're just there to help you figure out how to feel better and keep a steady supply of tissues at hand.

    Best of luck!
  • wamydia
    wamydia Posts: 259 Member
    I'm also going to post an article from NEDA that I find useful. http://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/can-you-tell-anything-persons-weight

    Can You Tell Anything By a Person's Weight?
    By Deb Burgard, PhD

    What an awesome article. Thank you for sharing!
  • wamydia
    wamydia Posts: 259 Member
    I agree with all of the people that suggested counseling. You definitely want to put the brakes on this before it gets any worse. It's just as important to take of your mental and emotional health as it is to take care of your physical self. Sometimes it takes just as much work too. :smile:

    As for your energy levels, my guess is this is just good old-fashioned, "not enough food." If you are starving yourself all the time and pushing hard on workouts, you aren't going to be able to keep up an energy level. You need to fuel your body or it won't be able keep carrying you through life.

    Another thought -- if you can, maybe think about seeing a nutritionist in addition to a counselor. Maybe having a professional help you figure out your diet and exercise plan will allay some of your fears about not doing it right and gaining weight.
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