The Starvation Mode Myth...again.
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What is TDEE?
Total Daily Energy Expenditure.0 -
ditto to that0
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i do completely agree with this, what i really wanna know is how can you get out of 'starvation mode'?0
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i do completely agree with this, what i really wanna know is how can you get out of 'starvation mode'?
Reverse diet. Slowly increase your calories up to where it should be. Add 100 calories per week.0 -
That's such an old experiment! We've come so far in 60+ years...Are you a RD (registered dietitian), or at least a nutritionist?0
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Actually I forgot to add that I used to skip meals profusely and exercise 5-6 times/week doing about 100 minutes of hard cardio each time and also up to an hour of weight training while restricting. I saw a RD who told me that I had to quit exercising and just eat and I lost 15 pounds in 2.5 months with her as my personal meal planner. Get a professional to help plan the amount of exercise and meals if you wanna lose the weight!0
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That's such an old experiment! We've come so far in 60+ years...
Evolution doesn't work that fast.0 -
IF starvation mode were true, you would'nt see skinny starving kids on those commercials. IF you don't eat, the body will take your stored fat. That's why Camels have humps.1
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IF starvation mode were true, you would'nt see skinny starving kids on those commercials. IF you don't eat, the body will take your stored fat. That's why Camels have humps.
I tried so hard to read all these posts seriously, but I lost it on this one, and am still smiling while writing this.
Unfortunately I don't have a link to a research article or published paper on the subject but I would have to believe there is a wide difference between a malnourished Ethiopian child, and someone with a screwed up diet. By diet, I mean the food they eat not the program they are on. When I think of starvation mode, I immediately start thinking about when I skip breakfast. This makes me think about the different studies (again no links, sorry) that show folks who skip breakfast gain more weight than those who don't. There are probably about as many or more that disagree with that opinion which leads me to only one conclusion. You will have to find what works for you and your body. Try that TDEE thing though it sounds horribly complicated to my simple self. Try fasting, since it worked in the old days when food wasn't so readily available (I assume since agriculture and domesticated animals weren't always around). But for heaven's sake, don't start comparing yourself to camels, or donation infomercials! Unless you are in fact a malnourished Ethiopian child, in which case I empathize and wish you the best. *queue a Rebecca St. James song in the back ground*0 -
what I would like to know is, what exactly is starvation mode. 1200, 1000, 900? and what if those calories are good clean food? Lean protean , lots of vegs and fruit. Low fat dairy? How can that be starvation? Lots of water, a multi vitamin. I can eat a lot of good food for 1100 calories1
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This makes me think about the different studies (again no links, sorry) that show folks who skip breakfast gain more weight than those who don't.
Some people find that they eat more later if they don't have breakfast. Many people find the exact opposite.1 -
Some people find that they eat more later if they don't have breakfast.
From what I remember, I think that was the focus of the article. You end up eating too much later in the day. To be honest, I don't recall a mention of calorie requirements. It was one of those, average person on an average diet kind of things.0 -
Does Starvation mode cause our bodies to catabilize (devour our muscles and other lean mass)? Yes and No.
Lean individuals lost great amounts of fat-free, lean tissue during starvation, but obese individuals lost much more fat tissue. The loss of lean mass is not as critical to the obese person simply because an obese person has more lean mass than a person of the same age and height but normal weight. Here we get to a basic idea that makes sense – fat storage – the same way animals build up bulk to rely on during the winter, obese people have fat stores they can use (to a limited extent) in times of need. This means that the effects of a semi-starvation diet upon a normal weight individual are of course much more devastating than the effects on someone who is obese.
I'm glad you pointed this out because it's true that your body will use fat stores before it will start eating into your muscle. So, if you're obese then you really don't have to worry too much about starvation mode. But, if you go too low it can still have a negative effect on your metabolism. I think that for an overweight person 1200, especially if that's net, sounds perfectly reasonable, if you can do it.0 -
Also, I think it helps if you eat a lot of protein.0
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So going along with all this, I'm curious about diets such as the Venus Factor. The premise of the diet says 1. We all have been made to learn and think that we need more calories than we really do, and in order to lose body fat we must have a calorie deficit. 2. This calorie deficit for a prolonged period of time (6 days) can start to dramatically reduce metabolism, so after 6 days there should be an eat up day, in which you eat the amount of calories you would normally need to maintain your body weight. And last of all, the diet says that most people do not diet properly and they do it backwards, in fact though there should be a larger deficit in the beginning, once you begin to get closer to your target you should be adding more calories as your body has less fat to continue using for stores.
Would you say that this is accurate? I have been having mixed feelings about this diet after a couple of people asked me what I thought.0 -
Doing alternate high and low calorie days works nicely for me.
That doesn't mean 'starvation mode' as described by most on here is the way it works.
It's generally accepted that it's an idea to taper your diet as you get leaner - the less fat the body has, the less it wants to give up.
One way you can do this is keep your calories constant - not just from having to shift less weight around daily, you'll burn less calories.
However, I'd be sceptical of anything that tries to sell it's self as a "diet". Rather, I'd like well researched 'scientific' facts presented to me about the differences your choices make, so you can choose the best ones for you.0
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