Heavy and less VS light and more

What's your take on this? My goal is to burn fat and build muscle. I've read that women should lift less weight and do more reps to avoid "bulking". However, not sure I buy it. The lack of testosterone should prevent too much bulking, no? I personally prefer to lift heavy.

So, what do YOU think?? Lift heavy with less reps or light with more??

And, GO :)

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  • baileysmom4
    baileysmom4 Posts: 242 Member
    I'd like to know the difference as well. I can't lift really heavy - my joints just won't let me so I have been doing lighter dumbells. All I hear is how lifting heavy changes your body but won't lifting lighter as well?
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    you can't burn fat AND build muscle at the same time ….

    If you want to lean out and short he muscle that you have while eating in a deficit you should be working out in the 8-10 rep range.

    I would suggest a program of heavy lifting using compound movements. Starting Strength and new rules of lifting for woman are great resources.

    You will not get bulky..woman do not have to enough testosterone to bulk up like man, and if you are eating in a calorie deficit you will not add muscle.

    I would also suggest setting your macro % to 40 protein/30 fats/30 carbs...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    I'd like to know the difference as well. I can't lift really heavy - my joints just won't let me so I have been doing lighter dumbells. All I hear is how lifting heavy changes your body but won't lifting lighter as well?

    lifting heavy is what is heavy for you ..so if 40 pounds is "heavy for you" then you are lifting heavy ..it is not based on what someone else thinks is heavy for you …

    general rule of thumb..

    1-5 reps strength
    6-7 reps strength and muscle gain
    8-12 reps muscle gain (hypertrophy)
    12+ = useless…In my opinion….
  • jeffpettis
    jeffpettis Posts: 865 Member
    First off you can not build muscle and lose fat at the same time. One requires a calorie deficit and the other requires a calorie surplus.

    If a woman wants to build muscle she should do the same thing a man would do if he was trying to build muscle, lift heavy weights. When I say heavy weights that means heavy for you. You have to give muscle a reason to grow. Lifting weights that are easy for you is not going to give the muscle the stimulus it needs to grow. Also you must progress over time to lift heavier weights. As you get stronger your muscle will require more of a stimulus to continue to grow and this will come in the form of added weight on the bar.

    And you are correct. A female lacks the testosterone required to get "bulky" without taking steroids. How many "bulky" women do you see walking around everyday? Muscle is hard to gain. A male can gain around a half a pound a week if everything is spot on, ie. diet, exercise, recovery, sleep, etc. A woman can only hope to gain about half of that so don't worry about getting too bulky, it's not going to happen.

    Also to reiterate, none of this is going to matter if you are in a deficit trying to lose fat because you are not going to build any new muscle, but you should be doing everything in your power to hang on to the LBM you have while in a deficit. That means giving the muscle the same ques you would give it to build muscle, lifting heavy, because these are the same ques that will tell it to hang on to the muscle you have.

    Here you go. Read these, they will explain everything better than I can...

    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/lean-bulky-toned-muscle/

    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/i-dont-want-to-get-too-big/

    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/workout-routines-for-women/
  • c2111
    c2111 Posts: 693 Member
    Bump saving for those articles
  • Polarpaly05
    Polarpaly05 Posts: 74 Member
    Many women get scared because they start lifting and notice significant gains rather quickly. They then think "o. m. g. i'm going to get huge and bulky!". When in reality, all that is happening is your nervous system is adapting and spreading new "connections" to existing muscle fibers. This allows for a greater force to be exerted because you're using more of what is already there. So do not be worried if you gain significant strength gains when you first start out.

    There is a ton of information and studies you can find easily via google searching "low weight high rep vs. high weight low rep". Including some newer ones that say it doesn't matter. As long as you exercise the muscles to fatigue, you're achieving the same results.
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    What's your take on this? My goal is to burn fat and build muscle. I've read that women should lift less weight and do more reps to avoid "bulking". However, not sure I buy it. The lack of testosterone should prevent too much bulking, no? I personally prefer to lift heavy.

    So, what do YOU think?? Lift heavy with less reps or light with more??

    And, GO :)

    You're not going to get big and bulky on accident... It takes years and years of consistency,hard training, and a caloric surplus in order to put on any appreciable amount of size, especially for a woman.

    Lift your heavy weights; be fit, strong, and awesome.
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    As a rule, lifting heavier will yield more benefits over time. However, that is not always the case, and there are benefits to lifting lighter weights as well. If I may (ahem) direct you to a larger treatment on the subject:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/Azdak/view/heavy-lifting-always-the-best-541735

    Keep in mind as well that your exercise goals and abilities are not fixed in stone.
  • spicegeek
    spicegeek Posts: 325 Member
    There is value in both - you should alternate
  • BusyRaeNOTBusty
    BusyRaeNOTBusty Posts: 7,166 Member
    What's your take on this? My goal is to burn fat and build muscle. I've read that women should lift less weight and do more reps to avoid "bulking". However, not sure I buy it. The lack of testosterone should prevent too much bulking, no? I personally prefer to lift heavy.

    So, what do YOU think?? Lift heavy with less reps or light with more??

    And, GO :)

    And you shouldn't buy it. You are correct lack of testosterone and lack of excess food (energy) prevent bulking.

    I usually do sets of 6-8.
  • Routerninja
    Routerninja Posts: 201
    The way my trainer usually does it is I will have one very heavy set, then he will drop the weight, do it again, drop the weight, do it one more time, or until exhaustion. These are usually on shoulder, lat and chest work.

    Only thing he does not do that with are squats, cleans and deadlifts. those are the opposite. he increases the weight each set until exhaustion, or in a 12-10-8 set.

    Bicep/Tricep work is a steady heavy weight with decreasing reps in each set. Usually 12-10-8.

    He also incorporates ab work into each workout, either sit ups with a medicine ball, planks, leg lifts, etc.

    I have seen some slight increases, but this is over almost 6 months, so results are on a long term for muscle growth, the largest improvement I've seen have been in endurance, strength and flexibility.
  • Morgaath
    Morgaath Posts: 679 Member
    Woman at my gym benches & deadlifts more weight than me (I am just starting to try and add strength, so 115lbs & 185lbs on my part)
    She attends the local university. She is one of the little cheerleaders (5'4") they toss way up in the air. She is not bulky at all, and bends like Gumby.
    And if you did find yourself thinking "Gee, I am getting too bulky" the solution is to just cut back on how hard you are working out. Cut back on the weight, the reps, the sets, the number of days per week you train...just like if you start thinking "Gee, I am getting too fat" you'd cut back on cals.

    And as a newbie, you can still put on lean body mass while eating at a deficit & cutting fat. Weak muscles are easy to improve on. It is just slower than if you were eating more.
  • Amanda_Gx6
    Amanda_Gx6 Posts: 320 Member
    bump
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    Always important to remember:

    Increased strength does NOT equal "increased 'bulk'"

    You can get very strong(er) without getting very big.
  • kristixo
    kristixo Posts: 38 Member
    Thanks for all your input (and articles!)

    Awesome advice!
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    you can't burn fat AND build muscle at the same time ….

    If you want to lean out and short he muscle that you have while eating in a deficit you should be working out in the 8-10 rep range.

    I would suggest a program of heavy lifting using compound movements. Starting Strength and new rules of lifting for woman are great resources.

    You will not get bulky..woman do not have to enough testosterone to bulk up like man, and if you are eating in a calorie deficit you will not add muscle.

    I would also suggest setting your macro % to 40 protein/30 fats/30 carbs...

    lifting heavy is what is heavy for you ..so if 40 pounds is "heavy for you" then you are lifting heavy ..it is not based on what someone else thinks is heavy for you …

    general rule of thumb..

    1-5 reps strength
    6-7 reps strength and muscle gain
    8-12 reps muscle gain (hypertrophy)
    12+ = useless…In my opinion….

    copied responses together- because this is pretty much all there is to it.

    well- the 12+ I mostly agree with being useless- I'm doing a 20 rep program and it's no joke. But it isn't my first cup of tea that's for sure.
  • crystalfisher89
    crystalfisher89 Posts: 196 Member
    You can actually build muscle and lose fat... The thought that you can't is a common fitness myth... Here's a link http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/lose-fat/7-tips-building-muscle-burning-fat

    First off, the only way you can "bulk" is to eat at a surplus (focus on high protein and fat in order to effectively do this), but for toning purposes, you can actually eat at a deficit- but up your protein- and lose fat while building muscle. When you lift, you are making tiny tears in the muscle and then your body uses protein to rebuild the muscles, but they'll be stronger after more times you strength train. If you're not looking to bulk or focus only on strength, then I'd suggest 3-4 days of cardio and 2 days of strength training for an hour each day. Don't do them consecutively as you will need to let your muscles recover properly, but it is okay to do cardio the next day.

    As for heavy and less vs light and more: I've done both and I think they both have their merits.
    Lifting heavy weights with lower reps builds dense, lean muscle—but constantly upping the heaviness will exhaust your body fast. That’s why lifting lighter weights with more reps also deserves an invite to your muscle-boosting party.

    Your nervous system has to adjust to the new fiber activation your muscles endure when you lift heavier-than-usual weights. Using lighter—but still challenging—weights with higher reps puts less strain on your muscle tissue and allows your nervous system to recuperate. This process of alternating between heavy and light lifting will gradually strengthen and build your muscles.

    I enjoy doing a day a week on focusing on lifting HEAVY and less reps, but I like doing some of the lighter but more reps too. I used to do only Heavy lifting, but now I do a body pump class that is an endurance lifting class (uses a bar bell and weights to our strength level) that we do. We work literally every muscle group in an hour and each muscle group gets 88 reps of various kinds. The first time I did the class, I was shaking so bad that I could barely hold anything afterward because my muscles were so tired! Now that I've become a veteran of the class, I find it to be fun while testing me to my limits. Yes it's lighter weights, but I'm still squatting 60lbs 88 times and doing 65lbs hang clings.

    Also, take measurements of yourself if you are going to focus on weight lifting. I haven't budged much on the weight side of things, but I'm losing inches. I feel that that is evidence that while I'm getting smaller, I'm burning fat, but also replacing it with muscle- which is much more dense than fat. I'm also an avid runner and am training for my first half marathon on May 31st. I've noticed that adding in the endurance lifting has boosted my ability to run faster and keep my endurance better during my long runs. My 7.1 mile time is sitting right at on an hour- which is tons faster than I've been able to run it before.
  • Just based on my own personal experience....I used to lift lighter (more reps) but I really wasn't seeing too much as far as definition, so on the advice of one of my friends I stopped doing that and lifted heavy to failure. Even if it meant I could only do 5 reps with a heavier weight. If at the end of that set I felt as if the body part I was working out was going to fall off (and I wanted to die!), then I knew I had done a good job!! It worked for me and I'm seeing such a huge improvement in my definition (and strength!)

    Good luck :)
  • DrMAvDPhD
    DrMAvDPhD Posts: 2,097 Member
    I see the most muscle gain (hypertrophy) when my reps are in the 12-15 range as heavy as I can manage (and eating to support muscle growth).

    I see the biggest strength gains (i.e. the ability to lift heavier things each workout) with reps in the 3-6 range.

    I find any range when I am lifting to near-failure to be sufficient for fat loss while retaining muscle in a calorie deficit.