But I love meat!!!

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  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    Just an FYI: we have almost absolute control over our own health; the "heriditary/genetic" argument is a cop out.

    No. No, this is so incredibly wrong.

    Yeah cuz laying around on the couch eating crap makes a ton of sense. And if we have "good genetics" we'll be just fine- yet all the inactive people eating junk are sick... hmmmm, yup, must be genetics. And if we have bad genetics there's no point in trying because nothing we do will make any difference. duh. Actually all of us have good genetics (evidenced by the fact our ancestors survived and procreated), and genes express themselves based on the environment (but I suppose that's "incrediblly wrong" too). So, moral of the story: don't do anything to try to be healthy cuz.... ??

    At least what I say is based on real life experience. So what's your theory on why all my "genetic" illnesses were resolved when I changed what I eat? I'm sure you are a better expert on ME (a woman) than I am.....

    You said we are "almost absolute control over our own health."

    That is wrong. It is very, very, very, inarguably wrong.

    I am not saying "laying around on the couch eating crap makes a ton of sense."

    These are very different concepts.

    We can certainly optimize our health by exercising and maintaining a healthy body weight and composition. There's no question there. But do not downplay the result of genetics in health: our individual genes (and indeed the environment we grew up in) have huge, huge impacts on our health.
  • daffodilsoup
    daffodilsoup Posts: 1,972 Member
    Your cravings for meat can likely be met by our friends fat and salt.

    Fat and sodium ... so, basically, the stuff that's already IN meat?

    Cravings for meat can be met by...eating meat...cause complete proteins and all.

    Meat isn't the only way to get complete proteins. Whether OP eats a pescetarian diet or not, eating less meat is good not only for the planet, but also is a great way to introduce some variety into the diet. Even just "Meatless Mondays" can really inspire people to get creative with food and try new things.
  • 40DayFit
    40DayFit Posts: 246 Member
    Hey, OP, enjoy the challenge!

    There just might be varieties of seafood, and ways to prepare them, that bring new flavor and enjoyment to your life. The same with vegetables--what a great time to start exploring farmers markets, if there are any near you. Maybe a new recipe a week? Adding vegetables in can be really fun and interesting as the produce starts coming in this summer and fall.

    I like your energy and enthusiasm; it's key to any changes you may care to make for your health.
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
    Your cravings for meat can likely be met by our friends fat and salt.

    Fat and sodium ... so, basically, the stuff that's already IN meat?

    Cravings for meat can be met by...eating meat...cause complete proteins and all.



    Fat and sodium . . . like . . . the dietary nutrients that people with heart conditions are supposed to control? Yeah. That makes total sense.
    Meat isn't the only way to get complete proteins. Whether OP eats a pescetarian diet or not, eating less meat is good not only for the planet, but also is a great way to introduce some variety into the diet. Even just "Meatless Mondays" can really inspire people to get creative with food and try new things.

    "Meatless Mondays" are propaganda, brought to us by groups like the HSUS who seek to end all animal ownership and use. These groups are extremely anti-animal agriculture and the excuse of eating less meat being better for the planet is just so much fog. You can become creative with food and try new things without falling victim to animal liberation groups' agendas. As others have said, lean meat is a good way to get protein and cut dietary fat if it replaces high fat meat. I would definitely change doctors or at least seek a second opinion.
  • ashandstuff
    ashandstuff Posts: 442 Member
    As a tribal cannibal, I recommend a second opinion as well.
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  • bridgie101
    bridgie101 Posts: 817 Member
    My cardiologist says if it does not swim or grow from the ground I CANNOT eat it. The nerve of her :noway: but I've decided to take her advice (after months of defiance) & today is my first day as a pescatarian. This is my May Challenge & I gladly accept :smile: !

    Why do you have a cardiologist at 29?

    If you really have some form of heart disease then I would definitely do as she says, and see if it helps your arteries. But ultimately I don't think beef makes your arteries clog: i think fries with salt do.

    Definitely get a second opinion.
  • JenniCali1000
    JenniCali1000 Posts: 646 Member
    I'd get a second opinion.

    There was recently a massive study completed that showed (not for the first time) that there is no correlation between saturated fat and heart disease. This study was a meta-analysis that reviewed 72 other studies from around the world and involving over 600,000 participants. The advice to avoid red meat in order to avoid heart disease was given out without any evidence that it was true and many doctors and nutritionists continue to spout that same advice without paying attention to the recent studies that indicate that it's wrong.

    I can't find the study right now, but here's an article by a cardiologist who basically says the same thing:

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/oct/22/butter-cheese-saturated-fat-heart-specialist

    But don't take my word for it. Since you're talking to a cardiologist, I take that to mean you already have a problem. So he/she may have reasons (other than the mainstream one) for having you avoid red meat.
    But get a second opinion. Maybe even take that article to the doctor with you and discuss the debate.

    Whatever you decide to do, good luck!

    Edit: Here's I read about that study:
    http://www.healthcentral.com/diabetes/c/17/168338/saturated-back-people-diabetes

    Exactly this ^ Some doctors (ok actually many) are still living in the dark ages and don't keep up with or concern themselves with the latest, modern research. This is why you must be your own health advocate. Good luck to you!
  • dorothyhann18
    dorothyhann18 Posts: 5 Member
    Maybe she gave this advice because of the way much meat is produced today in factory farms. Unless you can afford the more expensive grass feed meats and the free range poultry you are better off not eating meat. Factory farmed meat is not healthy. By the way, my dad was a butcher.
  • daffodilsoup
    daffodilsoup Posts: 1,972 Member
    Your cravings for meat can likely be met by our friends fat and salt.

    Fat and sodium ... so, basically, the stuff that's already IN meat?

    Cravings for meat can be met by...eating meat...cause complete proteins and all.



    Fat and sodium . . . like . . . the dietary nutrients that people with heart conditions are supposed to control? Yeah. That makes total sense.
    Meat isn't the only way to get complete proteins. Whether OP eats a pescetarian diet or not, eating less meat is good not only for the planet, but also is a great way to introduce some variety into the diet. Even just "Meatless Mondays" can really inspire people to get creative with food and try new things.

    "Meatless Mondays" are propaganda, brought to us by groups like the HSUS who seek to end all animal ownership and use. These groups are extremely anti-animal agriculture and the excuse of eating less meat being better for the planet is just so much fog. You can become creative with food and try new things without falling victim to animal liberation groups' agendas. As others have said, lean meat is a good way to get protein and cut dietary fat if it replaces high fat meat. I would definitely change doctors or at least seek a second opinion.

    I too hope to end all animal ownership and use, because animals aren't ours to use - but maybe that's a topic for another thread :)

    I appear to be in the minority here, but I feel like this could be a fun challenge for OP. There's a whole world of food out there that doesn't involve land animals that are just waiting to be cooked with!
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    it doesn't matter what studies show, what does common sense tell you? Do you think the very first humans had a diet like ours?

    LOLwut?

    :laugh:




    Okay, now I'm in...
  • mariaholden1
    mariaholden1 Posts: 12 Member
    Me and my family recently went vegan, and we are loving it! We loved meat, but we took the plunge, got a decent recipe book, and haven't turned back. There are a lot of delicious recipes to try, and it makes you think about flavors more when you're making meals...end result, everything comes out with so much more taste, not to mention the shopping bill has almost halved! Give it a go, you will feel great. Good luck! :)
  • FatFreeFrolicking
    FatFreeFrolicking Posts: 4,252 Member
    My cardiologist says if it does not swim or grow from the ground I CANNOT eat it. The nerve of her :noway: but I've decided to take her advice (after months of defiance) & today is my first day as a pescatarian. This is my May Challenge & I gladly accept :smile: !

    Why do you have a cardiologist at 29?

    If you really have some form of heart disease then I would definitely do as she says, and see if it helps your arteries. But ultimately I don't think beef makes your arteries clog: i think fries with salt do.

    Definitely get a second opinion.

    What does her age have anything to do with having a cardiologist? People of all ages have heart problems. I'm turning 21 this month and I have a cardiologist.
  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,134 Member
    Agree with the second opinion. Cardiologists are good at hearts, but not necessarily good nutrition.

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    Yes, I know he's not a cardiologist, but the point is there.
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
    Maybe she gave this advice because of the way much meat is produced today in factory farms. Unless you can afford the more expensive grass feed meats and the free range poultry you are better off not eating meat. Factory farmed meat is not healthy. By the way, my dad was a butcher.

    What's a factory farm and what makes meat from there any worse than any other meat?

    I wouldn't care if the doctor told the OP that she should avoid meat and the OP was happy with that advice; to each his/her own. However, very few doctors know anything about nutrition, making the advice suspicious at best. The OP needs a diet she will stay with, not one that makes her feel as if she's missing something that she will cheat on. That's no good for her heart, either.
  • daffodilsoup
    daffodilsoup Posts: 1,972 Member
    Maybe she gave this advice because of the way much meat is produced today in factory farms. Unless you can afford the more expensive grass feed meats and the free range poultry you are better off not eating meat. Factory farmed meat is not healthy. By the way, my dad was a butcher.

    What's a factory farm and what makes meat from there any worse than any other meat?

    I wouldn't care if the doctor told the OP that she should avoid meat and the OP was happy with that advice; to each his/her own. However, very few doctors know anything about nutrition, making the advice suspicious at best. The OP needs a diet she will stay with, not one that makes her feel as if she's missing something that she will cheat on. That's no good for her heart, either.

    Factory farming is the industrialized mass-production of meat. It's notorious for poor treatment of the animals - cramping them into small spaces and cages, pumping them full of antibiotics to combat disease that comes with overcrowding, and causing intense emotional distress to the animals.

    It's also bad for the people who work there. Meatpacking is one of the most dangerous jobs in the United States, thousands of meatpacking employees suffer crippling injuries each year from unsafe work conditions and working around frightened and injured animals.

    It's also pretty awful for the environment - animals raised for meat use up a ton of resources (water and food), and the runoff with their feces and body fluids seeps into the ground and nearby rivers/other bodies of water.

    The meat from factory farms is cheap, but it comes at a high price that we don't pay with dollars.
  • jennifries227
    jennifries227 Posts: 113 Member
    Just an FYI: we have almost absolute control over our own health; the "heriditary/genetic" argument is a cop out. Of course generation after generation is going to have poor health when each of those generations also ate crap and had unhealthy lifestyles. I've debunked the genetic argument in my own life. There is every disease in my family, autoimmune disorders, cancer, heart disease, stroke, depression, you name it. I have resolved ALL of the ones I "inherited" (long, long list) just by changing WHAT I EAT and how I live.

    First I would just like to say that my bipolar disorder, depression, and autoimmune thyroid condition ARE genetic. They all run in my family, going way back many generations. I don't use them as a 'cop out' to explain away poor health, and I find your suggestion that something I'm doing in my life has caused them to be highly insulting. Yes, diet and exercise can aid in the treatment of all these ailments, but they cannot 'cure' them.

    To the OP: Is it possible your cardiologist wants you to stay away from most commercial poultry due to them being treated with a sodium-filled injection prior to going on the shelves? Modern chicken breasts tend to be treated to a salt/water treatment intended to 'enhance flavor and tenderness', unfortunately it also adds a HUGE amount of sodium, something someone with heart issues should watch out for according to the AHA.
    If this is the case, you CAN find non-enhanced chicken breasts, but it takes a bit of work and reading of fine print on packages. Organic would probably be a good place to start.
  • Good luck
  • devil_in_a_blue_dress
    devil_in_a_blue_dress Posts: 5,214 Member
    Agree with the second opinion. Cardiologists are good at hearts, but not necessarily good nutrition.

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    Yes, I know he's not a cardiologist, but the point is there.

    Actually before he went batsh*t Oprah, he was a widely respected cardiothoracic surgeon. Like the guy other cardiothoracic surgeons wanted if they needed surgery.
  • FattyFatsoMcTubby
    FattyFatsoMcTubby Posts: 170 Member
    Cool! There'll be more meat for me!
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
    Maybe she gave this advice because of the way much meat is produced today in factory farms. Unless you can afford the more expensive grass feed meats and the free range poultry you are better off not eating meat. Factory farmed meat is not healthy. By the way, my dad was a butcher.

    What's a factory farm and what makes meat from there any worse than any other meat?

    I wouldn't care if the doctor told the OP that she should avoid meat and the OP was happy with that advice; to each his/her own. However, very few doctors know anything about nutrition, making the advice suspicious at best. The OP needs a diet she will stay with, not one that makes her feel as if she's missing something that she will cheat on. That's no good for her heart, either.

    Factory farming is the industrialized mass-production of meat. It's notorious for poor treatment of the animals - cramping them into small spaces and cages, pumping them full of antibiotics to combat disease that comes with overcrowding, and causing intense emotional distress to the animals.

    It's also bad for the people who work there. Meatpacking is one of the most dangerous jobs in the United States, thousands of meatpacking employees suffer crippling injuries each year from unsafe work conditions and working around frightened and injured animals.

    It's also pretty awful for the environment - animals raised for meat use up a ton of resources (water and food), and the runoff with their feces and body fluids seeps into the ground and nearby rivers/other bodies of water.

    The meat from factory farms is cheap, but it comes at a high price that we don't pay with dollars.

    So, basically, every profession but that of farming is allowed to enter the twenty-first century? Guilt is a pretty poor science to base a diet and a new lifestyle upon.