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Is dairy good or bad?

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  • dn0pes
    dn0pes Posts: 99 Member
    If lactose intolerant it can cause gas and offend other people at parties and when making nasty.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    dn0pes wrote: »
    If lactose intolerant it can cause gas and offend other people at parties and when making nasty.

    "when making nasty" LOL
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    dn0pes wrote: »
    If lactose intolerant it can cause gas and offend other people at parties and when making nasty.

    Fairlife milk. No lactose. More calcium and protein. I make pumpkin spice tea lattes with it every morning. Best breakfast ever.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,344 Member
    edited October 2016
    dn0pes wrote: »
    If lactose intolerant it can cause gas and offend other people at parties and when making nasty.

    Fairlife milk. No lactose. More calcium and protein. I make pumpkin spice tea lattes with it every morning. Best breakfast ever.

    ^ My favorite (and I'm not even lactose intolerant). I drink it in my protein shakes, use it for my cereal, and of course, dip my Oreos in it. Great macro profile.
  • nutmegoreo
    nutmegoreo Posts: 15,532 Member
    dn0pes wrote: »
    If lactose intolerant it can cause gas and offend other people at parties and when making nasty.

    Fairlife milk. No lactose. More calcium and protein. I make pumpkin spice tea lattes with it every morning. Best breakfast ever.

    What do you make it with (other than the milk). That sounds like an amazing breakfast, particularly now that we're under snow :frowning:
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    edited October 2016
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    dn0pes wrote: »
    If lactose intolerant it can cause gas and offend other people at parties and when making nasty.

    Fairlife milk. No lactose. More calcium and protein. I make pumpkin spice tea lattes with it every morning. Best breakfast ever.

    What do you make it with (other than the milk). That sounds like an amazing breakfast, particularly now that we're under snow :frowning:

    Nothing fancy. Just pumpkin pie spice and liquid splenda. I have an electric milk frother that heats the milk and froths it and was worth every penny. It was about $30 on Amazon. I put a little maple extract in the milk sometimes.

    I find milk to be very filling. I also have another one for an afternoon snack with an apple, and that keeps me really full too.
  • BoxerBrawler
    BoxerBrawler Posts: 2,032 Member
    Food product for humans (Wiki)

    The Holstein Friesian cattle is the dominant breed in quintessential industrialized dairy farms today
    In many cultures of the world, especially the West, humans continue to consume milk beyond infancy, using the milk of other animals (especially cattle, goats and sheep) as a food product. Initially, the ability to digest milk was limited to children as adults did not produce lactase, an enzyme necessary for digesting the lactose in milk. Milk was therefore converted to curd, cheese and other products to reduce the levels of lactose. Thousands of years ago, a chance mutation spread in human populations in Europe that enabled the production of lactase in adulthood. This allowed milk to be used as a new source of nutrition which could sustain populations when other food sources failed.[16] Milk is processed into a variety of dairy products such as cream, butter, yogurt, kefir, ice cream, and cheese. Modern industrial processes use milk to produce casein, whey protein, lactose, condensed milk, powdered milk, and many other food-additives and industrial products.

    Whole milk, butter and cream have high levels of saturated fat.[17][18] The sugar lactose is found only in milk, forsythia flowers, and a few tropical shrubs. The enzyme needed to digest lactose, lactase, reaches its highest levels in the small intestine after birth and then begins a slow decline unless milk is consumed regularly.[19] Those groups who do continue to tolerate milk, however, often have exercised great creativity in using the milk of domesticated ungulates, not only of cattle, but also sheep, goats, yaks, water buffalo, horses, reindeer and camels. The largest producer and consumer of cattle and buffalo milk in the world is India.[20]
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    edited October 2016
    Food product for humans (Wiki)

    The Holstein Friesian cattle is the dominant breed in quintessential industrialized dairy farms today
    In many cultures of the world, especially the West, humans continue to consume milk beyond infancy, using the milk of other animals (especially cattle, goats and sheep) as a food product. Initially, the ability to digest milk was limited to children as adults did not produce lactase, an enzyme necessary for digesting the lactose in milk. Milk was therefore converted to curd, cheese and other products to reduce the levels of lactose. Thousands of years ago, a chance mutation spread in human populations in Europe that enabled the production of lactase in adulthood. This allowed milk to be used as a new source of nutrition which could sustain populations when other food sources failed.[16] Milk is processed into a variety of dairy products such as cream, butter, yogurt, kefir, ice cream, and cheese. Modern industrial processes use milk to produce casein, whey protein, lactose, condensed milk, powdered milk, and many other food-additives and industrial products.

    Whole milk, butter and cream have high levels of saturated fat.[17][18] The sugar lactose is found only in milk, forsythia flowers, and a few tropical shrubs. The enzyme needed to digest lactose, lactase, reaches its highest levels in the small intestine after birth and then begins a slow decline unless milk is consumed regularly.[19] Those groups who do continue to tolerate milk, however, often have exercised great creativity in using the milk of domesticated ungulates, not only of cattle, but also sheep, goats, yaks, water buffalo, horses, reindeer and camels. The largest producer and consumer of cattle and buffalo milk in the world is India.[20]

    Yep. We got lucky and now it's perfectly fine for most of us.
  • BoxerBrawler
    BoxerBrawler Posts: 2,032 Member
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Food product for humans (Wiki)

    The Holstein Friesian cattle is the dominant breed in quintessential industrialized dairy farms today
    In many cultures of the world, especially the West, humans continue to consume milk beyond infancy, using the milk of other animals (especially cattle, goats and sheep) as a food product. Initially, the ability to digest milk was limited to children as adults did not produce lactase, an enzyme necessary for digesting the lactose in milk. Milk was therefore converted to curd, cheese and other products to reduce the levels of lactose. Thousands of years ago, a chance mutation spread in human populations in Europe that enabled the production of lactase in adulthood. This allowed milk to be used as a new source of nutrition which could sustain populations when other food sources failed.[16] Milk is processed into a variety of dairy products such as cream, butter, yogurt, kefir, ice cream, and cheese. Modern industrial processes use milk to produce casein, whey protein, lactose, condensed milk, powdered milk, and many other food-additives and industrial products.

    Whole milk, butter and cream have high levels of saturated fat.[17][18] The sugar lactose is found only in milk, forsythia flowers, and a few tropical shrubs. The enzyme needed to digest lactose, lactase, reaches its highest levels in the small intestine after birth and then begins a slow decline unless milk is consumed regularly.[19] Those groups who do continue to tolerate milk, however, often have exercised great creativity in using the milk of domesticated ungulates, not only of cattle, but also sheep, goats, yaks, water buffalo, horses, reindeer and camels. The largest producer and consumer of cattle and buffalo milk in the world is India.[20]

    Yep. We got lucky and now it's perfectly fine for most of us.

    Luck has nothing to do with it.

  • French_Peasant
    French_Peasant Posts: 1,639 Member
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Food product for humans (Wiki)

    The Holstein Friesian cattle is the dominant breed in quintessential industrialized dairy farms today
    In many cultures of the world, especially the West, humans continue to consume milk beyond infancy, using the milk of other animals (especially cattle, goats and sheep) as a food product. Initially, the ability to digest milk was limited to children as adults did not produce lactase, an enzyme necessary for digesting the lactose in milk. Milk was therefore converted to curd, cheese and other products to reduce the levels of lactose. Thousands of years ago, a chance mutation spread in human populations in Europe that enabled the production of lactase in adulthood. This allowed milk to be used as a new source of nutrition which could sustain populations when other food sources failed.[16] Milk is processed into a variety of dairy products such as cream, butter, yogurt, kefir, ice cream, and cheese. Modern industrial processes use milk to produce casein, whey protein, lactose, condensed milk, powdered milk, and many other food-additives and industrial products.

    Whole milk, butter and cream have high levels of saturated fat.[17][18] The sugar lactose is found only in milk, forsythia flowers, and a few tropical shrubs. The enzyme needed to digest lactose, lactase, reaches its highest levels in the small intestine after birth and then begins a slow decline unless milk is consumed regularly.[19] Those groups who do continue to tolerate milk, however, often have exercised great creativity in using the milk of domesticated ungulates, not only of cattle, but also sheep, goats, yaks, water buffalo, horses, reindeer and camels. The largest producer and consumer of cattle and buffalo milk in the world is India.[20]

    Yep. We got lucky and now it's perfectly fine for most of us.

    Luck has nothing to do with it.

    We got *busy* and now it is perfectly fine for most of us.

    Gives a new meaning to...

    Brown chicken brown cowwwwww!!!
  • siraphine
    siraphine Posts: 185 Member
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    This was a question about effects on YOUR BODY. Please don't derail with your beliefs. We are all here to take care of our bodies in the ways we think are best for it, and it is not your place to tell anyone what they should or should not eat.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited October 2016
    In many cultures of the world, especially the West, humans continue to consume milk beyond infancy, using the milk of other animals (especially cattle, goats and sheep) as a food product.

    So how is it "unnatural" or something we are not "meant" to consume?
    Initially, the ability to digest milk was limited to children as adults did not produce lactase, an enzyme necessary for digesting the lactose in milk.

    This is common knowledge. If you think it's news you are mistaken. But the point is, well, so what? Many of us (including a significant majority of those who happen to have ancestry primarily from northern and western Europe, as I do) DO produce lactase as adults, so if the presence of lactase is what determines if we are "meant" to drink/eat dairy or not, well, I guess I am. Thanks for pointing that out.
    Those groups who do continue to tolerate milk, however, often have exercised great creativity in using the milk of domesticated ungulates, not only of cattle, but also sheep, goats, yaks, water buffalo, horses, reindeer and camels. The largest producer and consumer of cattle and buffalo milk in the world is India.

    Yep, I'm quite fond of goat's milk, cheese, and yogurt, and enjoy sheep's cheese. Haven't tried any of the other ones (other than cow's, of course).
  • Dnarules
    Dnarules Posts: 2,081 Member
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Food product for humans (Wiki)

    The Holstein Friesian cattle is the dominant breed in quintessential industrialized dairy farms today
    In many cultures of the world, especially the West, humans continue to consume milk beyond infancy, using the milk of other animals (especially cattle, goats and sheep) as a food product. Initially, the ability to digest milk was limited to children as adults did not produce lactase, an enzyme necessary for digesting the lactose in milk. Milk was therefore converted to curd, cheese and other products to reduce the levels of lactose. Thousands of years ago, a chance mutation spread in human populations in Europe that enabled the production of lactase in adulthood. This allowed milk to be used as a new source of nutrition which could sustain populations when other food sources failed.[16] Milk is processed into a variety of dairy products such as cream, butter, yogurt, kefir, ice cream, and cheese. Modern industrial processes use milk to produce casein, whey protein, lactose, condensed milk, powdered milk, and many other food-additives and industrial products.

    Whole milk, butter and cream have high levels of saturated fat.[17][18] The sugar lactose is found only in milk, forsythia flowers, and a few tropical shrubs. The enzyme needed to digest lactose, lactase, reaches its highest levels in the small intestine after birth and then begins a slow decline unless milk is consumed regularly.[19] Those groups who do continue to tolerate milk, however, often have exercised great creativity in using the milk of domesticated ungulates, not only of cattle, but also sheep, goats, yaks, water buffalo, horses, reindeer and camels. The largest producer and consumer of cattle and buffalo milk in the world is India.[20]

    Yep. We got lucky and now it's perfectly fine for most of us.

    Luck has nothing to do with it.

    It is luck. Mutations are random. The fact that many of us can use milk as a source of nutrients seems lucky to me.
  • billglitch
    billglitch Posts: 538 Member
    There are no good or bad foods...just bad habits....JMO
  • CorneliusPhoton
    CorneliusPhoton Posts: 965 Member
    The lactase persistent mutation led to the increased survival of earlier Europeans - Milk was something that was in good and constant supply and provided valuable protein and calories, not to mention something to drink that was not contaminated. The spread of the gene followed the spread of dairy farming. This gene is believed to be favored especially in northern latitudes because it allows a constant supply of vitamin D (difficult to get in northern climates) and calcium. Just because we are humans that drink milk does not mean it is any different from any other advantageous trait of the animal world. The reason many have lost the ability to digest lactose is because it is no longer such an advantage -- we have plenty of other things to eat.

  • xmichaelyx
    xmichaelyx Posts: 883 Member
    rankinsect wrote: »
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    Those cows would be in a lot of pain if they were unmilked. Dairy cows are upset with you if you fail to milk them on schedule.

    Totally wrong.
    Cows are forcefully inseminated and the moment they give birth the baby calf is ripped away before it can even walk or open it's eyes. The babies are put into cages (some) for veal and the mother cows are milked, for their milk. The entire process is painful and unethical. But yeah... keep listening to the multi-billion dollar dairy industry when they tell you milk does a body good.

    Oh, and momma cows are also upset when their babies are taken away from them.

    The words Ethical farming and slaughter just don't make sense.

    You're either lying or have never been on a farm. Literally everything here is incorrect, other than the part about mama cows getting upset when the babies are taken from them. That's why they aren't.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    xmichaelyx wrote: »
    rankinsect wrote: »
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    Those cows would be in a lot of pain if they were unmilked. Dairy cows are upset with you if you fail to milk them on schedule.

    Totally wrong.
    Cows are forcefully inseminated and the moment they give birth the baby calf is ripped away before it can even walk or open it's eyes. The babies are put into cages (some) for veal and the mother cows are milked, for their milk. The entire process is painful and unethical. But yeah... keep listening to the multi-billion dollar dairy industry when they tell you milk does a body good.

    Oh, and momma cows are also upset when their babies are taken away from them.

    The words Ethical farming and slaughter just don't make sense.

    You're either lying or have never been on a farm. Literally everything here is incorrect, other than the part about mama cows getting upset when the babies are taken from them. That's why they aren't.

    At some point calves are separated from the cows, at least on some farms. Most veal comes from the male offspring of dairy cows. Bob veal (meat from calves who are a month old at most) is still available and a lot of calves who are used for veal are finished on formula. Free-raised calves (those who have access to their mother's milk until they are slaughtered) do exist, but other calves only have from a few hours to a few weeks with their mother until they are removed. Crate confinement is still legal for calves in the US (only eight states ban it), it's still used by some farmers.

    All sorts of farm practices exist. It's as inaccurate to say that calves who are used for veal are always allowed to stay with their mother until slaughter as it is to say that none of them are allowed to stay. The dairy and veal industry have a variety of practices.
  • WishfulShrinking331
    WishfulShrinking331 Posts: 244 Member
    Not your mom, not your milk.