Saxenda does not work

manchester4 wrote: »

kommodevaran wrote: »

manchester4 wrote: »

crzycatlady1 wrote: »

manchester4 wrote: »

You know how someone asks you something very elementary, and you have been doing your job for 20 years so it's kind of insulting? I count calories, protein, sugars, carbs and fiber and sodium. Drink my water. I'm not looking for an easy fix. I'm looking for a medical fix at this point because my body fat level just reached obesity and I've always been in shape. Not a thyroid issue. Not a hormonal issue. Blood work is fine. I mix up my cardio. I do strength training. I'm never on my couch. Am I supposed to live off 1200 cals a day and stay active? No. I go between 1500-1800 and no sugar ever. I'm not looking for nutrition advice. I'm looking to see if anyone had taken this particular drug and experienced no hunger reduction, no side effects at all.

Have you ever thought to ask those who've actually been successful at this whole thing for their input? Seems like that would be a good place to start. But sounds like you're not interested in advice or help so yeah, good luck

I would love to hear what you are doing that is different from calorie deficit, no sugar, no processed carbs, portion control, no alcohol, high fiber, lots of water, 5 workouts per week including cardio and strength training, plus walking my dogs 30 mins a day every week. Plus weekend hikes. Please tell me.

(Did you see the flowchart posted above?)

Counting calories accurately and consistently. Weighing everything on an electronic food scale. Checking every database entry, or making my own. Using the recipe builder the same way. Eating food I like. Hitting calorie goal every day. No cheating, no forgetting, no giving up.

I have never paid any particular attention to sugar, processed carbs (what's that), fiber, water, (I don't drink alcohol), I don't exercise except walking every day.

Well evidently this thread didn't and up being about me. Please whatever you do, pay attention to sugar. Studies have shown it's similar to a cocaine addiction. It wrecks havoc on your metabolism and can lead to insulin resistance and diabetes. It breaks down the collagen in your skin, leading to early aging. Sugar is one of the most horrible "natural" substances there are. It's in everything. You have to read every label.

Processed carbs are carbs that are no longer in their true form and have been changed in a factory somewhere. Boxed rice, boxed mash potatoes, most breads. Cake. Cookies. Have a real potato, real rice.

Also as a female, add strength training. This and weights or machines or your own body weight. This will rev up your resting metabolic rate so you burn more cals. It will give you a tighter look. It will help prevent osteoporosis. You won't look like a body builder, you will look leaner.

confused as to why you're giving the advice now? i thought you came looking for advice.

manchester4 wrote: »

You know how someone asks you something very elementary, and you have been doing your job for 20 years so it's kind of insulting? I count calories, protein, sugars, carbs and fiber and sodium. Drink my water. I'm not looking for an easy fix. I'm looking for a medical fix at this point because my body fat level just reached obesity and I've always been in shape. Not a thyroid issue. Not a hormonal issue. Blood work is fine. I mix up my cardio. I do strength training. I'm never on my couch. Am I supposed to live off 1200 cals a day and stay active? No. I go between 1500-1800 and no sugar ever. I'm not looking for nutrition advice. I'm looking to see if anyone had taken this particular drug and experienced no hunger reduction, no side effects at all.

First of all.....calm down. Jeez.

What is your TDEE? Do you use a food scale or measuring ups, or just eyeball portions? Have you been logging your food on here or at all?

You may get insulted, but step back for a minute here. You see these wonderful people responding to you? They've ALL lost a LOT of weight AND maintained their weight. Some of them have science/dietitian (not nutritionist)/personal trainer jobs...some have been doing it for longer than 20 years, some less. They've posted here because they want to help you. It is TRUE that a calorie deficit is the only way to lose weight. If the balance of CI and CO gets disturbed by not being accurate with calorie counting, then weight loss will NOT occur. Obviously, something you're doing is messing up the CICO energy balance because basic physiology dictates that you should be losing weight, even with medical conditions, if you're accurate with your calorie counting.

Everyone's trying to tell you that saxenda won't work if you're not in a calorie deficit.

And, it's not about the food you eat...it's ALL about calories. I've lost close to 100lbs and eat sugar every single day.

manchester4 wrote: »

crzycatlady1 wrote: »

manchester4 wrote: »

You know how someone asks you something very elementary, and you have been doing your job for 20 years so it's kind of insulting? I count calories, protein, sugars, carbs and fiber and sodium. Drink my water. I'm not looking for an easy fix. I'm looking for a medical fix at this point because my body fat level just reached obesity and I've always been in shape. Not a thyroid issue. Not a hormonal issue. Blood work is fine. I mix up my cardio. I do strength training. I'm never on my couch. Am I supposed to live off 1200 cals a day and stay active? No. I go between 1500-1800 and no sugar ever. I'm not looking for nutrition advice. I'm looking to see if anyone had taken this particular drug and experienced no hunger reduction, no side effects at all.

Have you ever thought to ask those who've actually been successful at this whole thing for their input? Seems like that would be a good place to start. But sounds like you're not interested in advice or help so yeah, good luck

I would love to hear what you are doing that is different from calorie deficit, no sugar, no processed carbs, portion control, no alcohol, high fiber, lots of water, 5 workouts per week including cardio and strength training, plus walking my dogs 30 mins a day every week. Plus weekend hikes. Please tell me.

I eat 300 less than my TDEE.

• I eat sugar.
• I eat LOTS of processed carbs
• I do practice portion control, but if I am low in protein, you betchya I will munch on a large steak if it fits my calories.
• Sometimes I don't do cardio at ALL. I mostly lift weights.
• I drink water, coffee, soda and diet soda.
• I like pie, wine, chocolate and cheesy poofs...and I still eat them and lose weight.
  
  Aaaaannnd, almost 100lbs down.
  
  Carbs and sugar do not cause obesity, too many calories do. It's scientifically proven. I used to weigh close to 280lbs. All I did was eat what mfp told me to, but I also used a food scale.
  
  
  By the way....weight gain does NOT happen in a deficit, ever...No one is exempt from science. You mentioned having no illnesses and that all your blood work was clear, yet you are self-diagnosing yourself with some metabolic issue that no doctor has ever found? There are many here with diagnosed metabolic illnesses and thyroid conditions that manage to lose weight just fine. And, if your body truly isn't metabolizing fats and sugars, you would in fact lose weight.
  
  If you started gaining weight while you were injured and stopped doing your exercise, you obviously kept the same amount of calories...you energy balance changed and this is why you gained weight. You were giving your inactive body the same amount of calories than your active body required.

manchester4 wrote: »

kommodevaran wrote: »

But what you are doing, is it working?

Nope! It all changed after my back to back gallbladder and neck surgeries. That amount of downtime caused 40 lbs weight gain. I've been very strict. Saxenda only came into my life because I'm officially obese now. I used to be a personal trainer and Pilates instructor. I'm back to to my normal level of training and nutrition and I've not budged since April of 2016.

The only thing I haven't tried yet is a 1200 cal a day diet, heavy HIIT cardio six times a week, heavy weight training six hours a week. So training like a competitive fitness and figure athlete, no I've not tried that but I shouldn't have to. Those people train like that for 9 percent fat body levels and professional competitions.

why do you think your body cant process fats and sugars? those people who train like that eat more than 1200 calories a day though. if you do all the above on 1200 calories you will put yourself into a negative amount of calories which would be like not eating much at all. you will also burn out,lose energy and so on.so yeah. for me I weigh everything(I learned that the hard way,I stopped losing and started gaining even though I thought I was eating less,I wasnt),I basically eat what I want in moderation as well. I have a metabolic disorder that makes it harder to lose weight,but I still do its just very slowly for me.

If you dont weigh your food(I dont mean measuring cups as they are not accurate),then you are eating more than you think,that was the real eye opener for me. what I thought was half a cup of oatmeal was actually a cup or a little more,my protein bar that claims is was 88g on the package? it was over 100g. if you dont weigh your oils that you cook with that can add another 100 or more calories per day.peanut butter is another one thats often off, 2 tbsp if not weighed ends up being more in the long run usually. all those calories add up over time.right now Im eating 1700 calories,Im 5'6 1/2 and Im 42.

Get a food scale and weigh all solids and semi solids in grams, and do that for a month and see if you lose anything. also put into MFP you want to lose 1lb a week(if will give you more calories,but a slower rate of loss),if you havent already.also only eat back 25-50% (you can even try 50-75%)of your exercise calories you burn back to allow for any over estimations.heck If I can lose weight with my health issue then anyone can.exercise just makes a bigger deficit,a deficit is all that is needed for most people to lose weight.

manchester4 wrote: »

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Well evidently this thread didn't and up being about me. Please whatever you do, pay attention to sugar. Studies have shown it's similar to a cocaine addiction. It wrecks havoc on your metabolism and can lead to insulin resistance and diabetes. It breaks down the collagen in your skin, leading to early aging. Sugar is one of the most horrible "natural" substances there are. It's in everything. You have to read every label.

Processed carbs are carbs that are no longer in their true form and have been changed in a factory somewhere. Boxed rice, boxed mash potatoes, most breads. Cake. Cookies. Have a real potato, real rice.

Also as a female, add strength training. This and weights or machines or your own body weight. This will rev up your resting metabolic rate so you burn more cals. It will give you a tighter look. It will help prevent osteoporosis. You won't look like a body builder, you will look leaner.

You have GOT to be *kitten* joking, right? There is no way in hell sugar is similar to cocaine. NOPE. Anyone who says this has absolutely no idea what drugs an actually do to the body. Appalling and absolutely insulting.

• Also, sugar does not 'wreak havoc' on the metabolism.
• Sugar does NOT cause diabetes! Have you read anything on diabetes.org? It states that 'sugar causes diabetes' is a complete MYTH.
• It doesn't break down collagen in your skin. Sugar does not emit UV radiation.
• No, sugar is not a horrible natural substance. Oh, guess what...it is in FRUIT too! OH NOES.
  
  If you mentioned 'processed carbs' are bad for you shows exactly the level of nutrition knowledge you truly have. I believe in a DIETITIAN.
  
  And weights machines? :laugh: come on now. Barbells/dumbbells or bodyweight exercises are more natural.
  
  Where in the heck are you getting your wooformation from? Everything you posted about sugar is a blatant lie and obviously not from any scientific study. You haven't even provided any of those scientific studies you mention.

manchester4 wrote: »

kommodevaran wrote: »

manchester4 wrote: »

crzycatlady1 wrote: »

manchester4 wrote: »

You know how someone asks you something very elementary, and you have been doing your job for 20 years so it's kind of insulting? I count calories, protein, sugars, carbs and fiber and sodium. Drink my water. I'm not looking for an easy fix. I'm looking for a medical fix at this point because my body fat level just reached obesity and I've always been in shape. Not a thyroid issue. Not a hormonal issue. Blood work is fine. I mix up my cardio. I do strength training. I'm never on my couch. Am I supposed to live off 1200 cals a day and stay active? No. I go between 1500-1800 and no sugar ever. I'm not looking for nutrition advice. I'm looking to see if anyone had taken this particular drug and experienced no hunger reduction, no side effects at all.

Have you ever thought to ask those who've actually been successful at this whole thing for their input? Seems like that would be a good place to start. But sounds like you're not interested in advice or help so yeah, good luck

I would love to hear what you are doing that is different from calorie deficit, no sugar, no processed carbs, portion control, no alcohol, high fiber, lots of water, 5 workouts per week including cardio and strength training, plus walking my dogs 30 mins a day every week. Plus weekend hikes. Please tell me.

(Did you see the flowchart posted above?)

Counting calories accurately and consistently. Weighing everything on an electronic food scale. Checking every database entry, or making my own. Using the recipe builder the same way. Eating food I like. Hitting calorie goal every day. No cheating, no forgetting, no giving up.

I have never paid any particular attention to sugar, processed carbs (what's that), fiber, water, (I don't drink alcohol), I don't exercise except walking every day.

Well evidently this thread didn't and up being about me. Please whatever you do, pay attention to sugar. Studies have shown it's similar to a cocaine addiction. It wrecks havoc on your metabolism and can lead to insulin resistance and diabetes. It breaks down the collagen in your skin, leading to early aging. Sugar is one of the most horrible "natural" substances there are. It's in everything. You have to read every label.

Processed carbs are carbs that are no longer in their true form and have been changed in a factory somewhere. Boxed rice, boxed mash potatoes, most breads. Cake. Cookies. Have a real potato, real rice.

Also as a female, add strength training. This and weights or machines or your own body weight. This will rev up your resting metabolic rate so you burn more cals. It will give you a tighter look. It will help prevent osteoporosis. You won't look like a body builder, you will look leaner.

It's ironic that you're telling others what to do, when you're failing at your own weight loss goals. It looks like you're new to MFP, so maybe you don't know this-but there's a lot of people here who are very successful with their weight, health and fitness goals. It sounds like you're not at a place where you're ready to actually figure out what's going on, and that's ok. But, its rude to start a post asking for help, and when people take the time to offer you solid advice you respond with bro-science nonsense. It's becoming pretty clear why you're not succeeding at your weight loss goals.

You don't need to eat 1200 calories, you just need to eat less than TDEE and more than BMR. It's going to take a long time to lose 40 extra pounds but you can do it with a caloric deficit and no drugs. 1500 to 1800 is a big range and might not be enough deficit for you- but maybe you just need to stick to like 1550 and not go up to 1800. Or 1600 or 1440 or whatever is the CORRECT amount of calories for you based on your own stats and activity level. Why does everyone think they either need to eat 1800 calories or 1200?? There's a big range in between that might work well for you. Just because moderate to high calories isn't working doesn't mean you have to drop to the bare minimum!

manchester4 wrote: »

kommodevaran wrote: »

manchester4 wrote: »

crzycatlady1 wrote: »

manchester4 wrote: »

You know how someone asks you something very elementary, and you have been doing your job for 20 years so it's kind of insulting? I count calories, protein, sugars, carbs and fiber and sodium. Drink my water. I'm not looking for an easy fix. I'm looking for a medical fix at this point because my body fat level just reached obesity and I've always been in shape. Not a thyroid issue. Not a hormonal issue. Blood work is fine. I mix up my cardio. I do strength training. I'm never on my couch. Am I supposed to live off 1200 cals a day and stay active? No. I go between 1500-1800 and no sugar ever. I'm not looking for nutrition advice. I'm looking to see if anyone had taken this particular drug and experienced no hunger reduction, no side effects at all.

Have you ever thought to ask those who've actually been successful at this whole thing for their input? Seems like that would be a good place to start. But sounds like you're not interested in advice or help so yeah, good luck

I would love to hear what you are doing that is different from calorie deficit, no sugar, no processed carbs, portion control, no alcohol, high fiber, lots of water, 5 workouts per week including cardio and strength training, plus walking my dogs 30 mins a day every week. Plus weekend hikes. Please tell me.

(Did you see the flowchart posted above?)

Counting calories accurately and consistently. Weighing everything on an electronic food scale. Checking every database entry, or making my own. Using the recipe builder the same way. Eating food I like. Hitting calorie goal every day. No cheating, no forgetting, no giving up.

I have never paid any particular attention to sugar, processed carbs (what's that), fiber, water, (I don't drink alcohol), I don't exercise except walking every day.

Well evidently this thread didn't and up being about me. Please whatever you do, pay attention to sugar. Studies have shown it's similar to a cocaine addiction. It wrecks havoc on your metabolism and can lead to insulin resistance and diabetes. It breaks down the collagen in your skin, leading to early aging. Sugar is one of the most horrible "natural" substances there are. It's in everything. You have to read every label.

Processed carbs are carbs that are no longer in their true form and have been changed in a factory somewhere. Boxed rice, boxed mash potatoes, most breads. Cake. Cookies. Have a real potato, real rice.

Also as a female, add strength training. This and weights or machines or your own body weight. This will rev up your resting metabolic rate so you burn more cals. It will give you a tighter look. It will help prevent osteoporosis. You won't look like a body builder, you will look leaner.

I can't contain my amazement.

Sued0nim wrote: »

Your mind is so full of things you think you know that there's no room for knowledge that will help

Get rid of everything you think you know

It's a great place to start

None of it has helped you, that's why you're pushing obese

Get rid of every single "fact" in your head about weight loss.

It's what I did 3 years ago

Then I started logging calories accurately by weight using a digital scale

Just calories

To a defecit

And I moved more

Try it

Just for 6 weeks

Then come back

Take this advice OP. It's spot on.