Done with it!

in and it's not even Friday yet...

cityruss wrote: »

So to sum up.

Everyone can have an opinion, but no one can have an opinion. All opinions, which we cant have, no matter how terrible, must be welcomed with butterflies and unicorns. No points must be debated or questioned. No advice is to be given that flies in the face of the original opinion, which we can't have in the first place. Everything must be encouraged.

Gotcha.

Anyone tried ACV?

careful you are gonna be accused of being muscle bound young man who knows it all and is being snide...

but yes that is what some want...me on the other hand appreciate those who told me in no uncertain terms that the "diet" I was doing in 2013 was going to help me lose weight but wouldn't help me keep it off...

Saved me another yo yo from 165-205...

If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen so yes perhaps those in this thread who find these forums to abrupt should just use the diary and groups...

DEBOO7 wrote: »

I totally agree with what you're saying and will recount something I encountered just this week.
A discussion thread was posted by a person who felt they were a sugar addict. I made a comment with just a few sentences about perhaps starting out easy by removing common complex carbs, eating more above ground than low ground veggies and for fruit perhaps berries or rockmelon. Not once did I mention that I myself follow a LCHF way of eating. My view is that people will either take something from the comments or not.. it is their choice.
Well.... ping goes my inbox.
A member PM'd me about my comment and saying 'clueless about loosing weight, huh', my response was that perhaps their opinion should be posted on the thread rather than being sent as a PM. That resulted in name calling.
Couple of things about this,
a) If I were just starting out this type of behaviour would likely have been enough to scare me off... however I've lost 83lbs with only 7lb to go... think I know after nearly 3 years what works for me
b) what gives anyone the right to go on a personal attack because they hold a contrary view?
We're mostly all here for the same reason... to lose weight, get healthy, share ideas and opinions and look for support.

Personal attacks and name calling are wrong, and should be reported and dealt with.

Open forthright debate between adults is perfectly fine and a healthy endeavour.

I'm a 54 year old woman with medical conditions who thinks it's all CICO. Can I comment?

And yeah, I started this whole thing to improve my health. I did that most dramatically losing weight. I was already eating well, I was just eating too much. I'd already been down the road of believing that eating a certain way would save me from myself.

It hadn't worked. The only thing that has worked has been restricting calories. Learning that has led to me easing up on the reigns of my dietary choices a little bit. If I want some candy or cookies every now and then, I have them.

That is the point the muscle bound people are trying to make. Food choice isn't the issue where weight management is concerned. Calorie intake is. If someone wants to undertake a certain way of eating for health issues, that's a separate matter.

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

I'm a 54 year old woman with medical conditions who thinks it's all CICO.

50 year old women here ... yep, all CICO.

allenpriest wrote: »

Hey OP
I get it.
Me too.
trigdon1991 you exemplify the problem

Bye

What about us other middle aged women on the post chiming in agreeing with Trigden? Don't we count?

I've lost 94 pounds agreeing with Trigden.

Machka9 wrote: »

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

I'm a 54 year old woman with medical conditions who thinks it's all CICO.

50 year old women here ... yep, all CICO.

You do have to figure out how you want to approach CICO ... obviously we're going to eat different things ... personally, I made the decision to eat only foods I like ... but it's all CICO. Or more specifically CI<CO.

50 lbs lost.

Lol, OP won't respond on this anymore, as she mentioned " I'm done with reading these forums."

Back to the topic/OP's post:

Izzy62 wrote: »

Every post which mentions an alternative diet choice is promptly and efficiently, put down with a comment such as "why cut it out?" "It's all a matter of CICO" .

As someone who has cut things out for a period of time and tried different dietary choices (and eats somewhat low carb or lowish carb now, as well as being quite focused on nutrition), I don't understand what's wrong with these questions. Weight loss IS about CICO, but of course that's not the only thing you might be concerned about, and that's easy to explain (and personally I don't think those comments come when someone says "I am trying to eat a healthier diet" but "I am doing a juice fast" or the like, or "I am drinking ACV," which really AREN'T about health, IMO). As for why cut it out, when I choose to cut something out I have a reason and am generally happy to explain or just say "I have reasons, I know it's not necessary for weight loss, but none of your business." IME with these threads, most people who react badly to those questions assume it IS necessary for weight loss, that it obviously is, and dislike the idea that it is not. And that so many people think such things are necessary is why -- for the readers generally -- it's valuable to point out that it is not.

There is nothing "wrong" with trying a low carb diet, it may or may not be right for you. Try low fat, try just eating less of everything. Just try until you find what works for you.

Totally agree with all this, and have never said otherwise. Nor do I see people in general saying otherwise, so I wonder why you think you are seeing that.

What I see is people making assertions (like "do a low carb diet, it's the best way to lose weight" and others saying "no, it's a fine way to lose if you want to, but NOT the only or best way for all"). Yet sometimes people are so into their current diet that they misinterpret "you don't have to do that to lose" or "you don't have to do that to be healthy" or "I disagree that eating that way is inherently more healthy" for intolerance for them choosing that diet. But that's obviously not the case and complaining that someone is upset with your personal choices because they disagree they are the best ones for everyone is, well, odd and suggests a problem with hearing information that disagrees with your own views, i.e., a problem with discussion in general.

Ultimately, yes it boils down to CICO, but they way people get to that is their own business and they are here because they are looking for advice on the choice they have made. It is not inherently unhealthy to eat paleo, nor low carb, nor low fat, it is definitely unhealthy to remain overweight.

Mostly agree, but if someone asks about paleo and I give advice on being paleo and also give my reasons (gently) for not being paleo anymore and for thinking it's claims are bunk, while still thinking it can be a decent choice for some, I don't think that's inappropriate or mean. You seem to want to protect people from any ideas that they don't already hold, which I find puzzling. If I posted a question or started a thread I'd certainly not expect not to have to hear anything I disliked or disagreed with. (If I wanted only to hear that paleo or whatever is the best and only way, there are certainly forums for that and even groups here.)

Just give people a bit of a break and try encouraging their decision to help themselves by losing the weight, not always putting down the way they choose to do it.

As someone else said, it's ironic that the people getting slammed in these kinds of threads ARE the people who devote a lot of time to trying to help others. Almost always the people complaining about how others post never post help themselves, or at least not that I've seen. (Or sometimes they are the people who pop into numerous threads to tell the OP to give up sugar or do keto or eat "clean" or stop eating back exercise calories or some such when the OP has not expressed such a desire.)