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I don't support the fat acceptance/plus size movement.
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By the world's standards I am obese. I can physically outwork anyone half my age. My blood pressure, cholesterol, triglycerides and a1c are amazing. I will never nor do I want to be the weight that society and bmi charts say I should be.
I want to be healthy, strong and happy. I have never been below a ladies size 12. I am fine with that. If you accept that I am comfortable with being a plus sized person or not doesn't matter to me. How I feel about me is what matters.
Body shaming is the same as bullying. If someone is comfortable with themselves, it is not your business to agree or disagree. Worry about yourself, not anyone else.10 -
SimplyAdia wrote: »Worry about yourself. Problem solved.
Unfortunately in the US where government pays over half the cost of healthcare it's all taxpayers problem..7 -
bobshuckleberry wrote: »By the world's standards I am obese. I can physically outwork anyone half my age.
If you mean your body has to work a lot harder for the same output as a fit normal weight person, sure.My blood pressure, cholesterol, triglycerides and a1c are amazing.
For now, maybe. Then again, why are you getting them checked so frequently if you don't have a health problem?I will never nor do I want to be the weight that society and bmi charts say I should be.
I want to be healthy, strong and happy. I have never been below a ladies size 12. I am fine with that. If you accept that I am comfortable with being a plus sized person or not doesn't matter to me. How I feel about me is what matters.
How are you going to feel about you when the arthritis starts? When the wear and tear on your feet and knees make it hard to stand up and walk around? When you're winded from climbing a single flight of stairs?Body shaming is the same as bullying. If someone is comfortable with themselves, it is not your business to agree or disagree. Worry about yourself, not anyone else.
As long as you never expect anyone else to ever deal with any aspect of your weight, fine. But when you start encroaching on my seat on the airplane, we're going to have an issue.16 -
Packerjohn wrote: »SimplyAdia wrote: »Worry about yourself. Problem solved.
Unfortunately in the US where government pays over half the cost of healthcare it's all taxpayers problem..
There are worst things than tax dollars going to healthcare.13 -
SimplyAdia wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »SimplyAdia wrote: »Worry about yourself. Problem solved.
Unfortunately in the US where government pays over half the cost of healthcare it's all taxpayers problem..
There are worst things than tax dollars going to healthcare.
Even when some of those $ going to health care could be avoided by individuals showing some individual responsibility and doing some table push-aways?7 -
ErinMichelle31 wrote: »The body positivity movement isn't about promoting being heavy, it's about teaching women to love themselves, and rejecting impossible body standards.
Unless you're handicapped, there's no such thing as "impossible body standards." At its core, HAES is about giving up and accepting the status quo.
I'll stop striving to look like Arnold circa 1980 when I'm dead. Similarly, I'll stop striving for better education, better fitness level, better communication (and other) skills, and better overall health when I'm dead.ErinMichelle31 wrote: »You hear about super models eating 500 calories a day because a size 2 is too big, and that's not healthy either.
I only hear about this from the FA movement. I know models; they eat plenty and stay active.
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Packerjohn wrote: »SimplyAdia wrote: »Worry about yourself. Problem solved.
Unfortunately in the US where government pays over half the cost of healthcare it's all taxpayers problem..
You know this is true in every major Western country, right? And that we pay far more than any of them because we don't have single payer?18 -
Guess what? I went to the doctor today to review my blood workup, turns out them adjusting my thyroid meds for my Grave disease, coupled with the onset of menopause has made it impossible for my weight to budge despite following a strict diet for over a year. I eat really healthy, my LDL is 114. My blood sugar is a 6.6. My blood pressure was 117/76. But I am 212 pounds by his scale today. He said there are a few medications that might help me shed a few pounds, but the side effects could be devastating to my health, and he would not recommend me taking them. Turns out my risk factors are higher using this medication, and being at a lower weight, than me remaining the same weight I am now, and continuing to eat a healthy diet.
So what does that mean? That means I better get on board with fat acceptance, and learn how to love myself at this size, and continue to take care of myself as I have been.
Sometimes I think it's important to think before one speaks about such things. You don't agree with fat acceptance for yourself, well and fine by me, don't be fat then. But don't be putting it off on other folks. You don't know what a person's story is, or why they are fat, and running that anti fat acceptance speech is very unhelpful to folks like me just trying to make it through the day by eating healthy, and keeping the calories down so the scale does not go higher. Think before you speak why don't you!9 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »SimplyAdia wrote: »Worry about yourself. Problem solved.
Unfortunately in the US where government pays over half the cost of healthcare it's all taxpayers problem..
You know this is true in every major Western country, right? And that we pay far more than any of them because we don't have single payer?
Understand. With our system, the government is likely paying a smaller % of healthcare costs than most other western countries with some form of single payer.
Personally don't think single payer fixes all the problems. We, by law, can't negotiate prices for drugs for Medicare, our malpractice laws are "interesting", we have state insurance law, instead of national, etc, etc. We have to look at all the cost/process differences between the US and benchmark countries to determine the most effective health delivery system from a clinical results and cost standpoint. Oh and pass appropriate legislation through the political process.3 -
purebredpolly wrote: »Guess what? I went to the doctor today to review my blood workup, turns out them adjusting my thyroid meds for my Grave disease, coupled with the onset of menopause has made it impossible for my weight to budge despite following a strict diet for over a year. I eat really healthy, my LDL is 114. My blood sugar is a 6.6. My blood pressure was 117/76. But I am 212 pounds by his scale today. He said there are a few medications that might help me shed a few pounds, but the side effects could be devastating to my health, and he would not recommend me taking them. Turns out my risk factors are higher using this medication, and being at a lower weight, than me remaining the same weight I am now, and continuing to eat a healthy diet.
So what does that mean? That means I better get on board with fat acceptance, and learn how to love myself at this size, and continue to take care of myself as I have been.
Sometimes I think it's important to think before one speaks about such things. You don't agree with fat acceptance for yourself, well and fine by me, don't be fat then. But don't be putting it off on other folks. You don't know what a person's story is, or why they are fat, and running that anti fat acceptance speech is very unhelpful to folks like me just trying to make it through the day by eating healthy, and keeping the calories down so the scale does not go higher. Think before you speak why don't you!
You're telling me that even if you eat at a deficit it's impossible for you to lose weight?
I'm telling you that you are not the exception to the laws of physics.16 -
heiliskrimsli wrote: »purebredpolly wrote: »Guess what? I went to the doctor today to review my blood workup, turns out them adjusting my thyroid meds for my Grave disease, coupled with the onset of menopause has made it impossible for my weight to budge despite following a strict diet for over a year. I eat really healthy, my LDL is 114. My blood sugar is a 6.6. My blood pressure was 117/76. But I am 212 pounds by his scale today. He said there are a few medications that might help me shed a few pounds, but the side effects could be devastating to my health, and he would not recommend me taking them. Turns out my risk factors are higher using this medication, and being at a lower weight, than me remaining the same weight I am now, and continuing to eat a healthy diet.
So what does that mean? That means I better get on board with fat acceptance, and learn how to love myself at this size, and continue to take care of myself as I have been.
Sometimes I think it's important to think before one speaks about such things. You don't agree with fat acceptance for yourself, well and fine by me, don't be fat then. But don't be putting it off on other folks. You don't know what a person's story is, or why they are fat, and running that anti fat acceptance speech is very unhelpful to folks like me just trying to make it through the day by eating healthy, and keeping the calories down so the scale does not go higher. Think before you speak why don't you!
You're telling me that even if you eat at a deficit it's impossible for you to lose weight?
I'm telling you that you are not the exception to the laws of physics.
I feel so sorry for you being so ignorant of medical conditions, including those chemically induced to lower one's metabolism to prevent the thyroid from causing the heart to beat until it explodes. Which is exactly what the doctor had to do as I nearly died from my heart beating too fast. I've been diagnosed with stage 3 congestive heart failure, with uncontrolled a-fib that must be kept under control. They lower my metabolism to a snail's pace. You are ignorant, and it's ignorant people like you that make nice folks like me to lose patience and speak rudely. You have no idea what you are talking about, and need to stop thinking you know it all. I am 1 stage away from getting on the list for a heart transplant. Think before you speak!3 -
purebredpolly wrote: »I feel so sorry for you being so ignorant of medical conditions, including those chemically induced to lower one's metabolism to prevent the thyroid from causing the heart to beat until it explodes. Which is exactly what the doctor had to do as I nearly died from my heart beating too fast. I've been diagnosed with stage 3 congestive heart failure, with uncontrolled a-fib that must be kept under control. They lower my metabolism to a snail's pace. You are ignorant, and it's ignorant people like you that make nice folks like me to lose patience and speak rudely. You have no idea what you are talking about, and need to stop thinking you know it all. I am 1 stage away from getting on the list for a heart transplant. Think before you speak!
There is no medical condition that can violate the law of conservation of matter. It can't be done. Your "lower metabolism" means that your deficit might require you to eat fewer calories than someone else, but it doesn't mean you are the exception to physics. There are no humans who can defy physics. It's not possible.
If you eat in a deficit, you will lose weight. This is a fact, whether you like it or not. Speaking factually is not "ignorant.11 -
heiliskrimsli wrote: »purebredpolly wrote: »I feel so sorry for you being so ignorant of medical conditions, including those chemically induced to lower one's metabolism to prevent the thyroid from causing the heart to beat until it explodes. Which is exactly what the doctor had to do as I nearly died from my heart beating too fast. I've been diagnosed with stage 3 congestive heart failure, with uncontrolled a-fib that must be kept under control. They lower my metabolism to a snail's pace. You are ignorant, and it's ignorant people like you that make nice folks like me to lose patience and speak rudely. You have no idea what you are talking about, and need to stop thinking you know it all. I am 1 stage away from getting on the list for a heart transplant. Think before you speak!
There is no medical condition that can violate the law of conservation of matter. It can't be done. Your "lower metabolism" means that your deficit might require you to eat fewer calories than someone else, but it doesn't mean you are the exception to physics. There are no humans who can defy physics. It's not possible.
If you eat in a deficit, you will lose weight. This is a fact, whether you like it or not. Speaking factually is not "ignorant. Be as rude as you want, but it won't entitle you to alternate facts.
Today my endocrinologist told me I needed to start eating more calories because my reduction of calories is so low that my createen (spelling?) Was too low as a result of my lowering my calories so far down that I am not getting enough protein, and that I am in dangerous waters because my calories were too low. I suppose I could lower my calories further and could eventually lower them enough to lose weight, but according to the endocrinologist I am risking organ failure by having my calories as low as I have been. But you are right, and my specialist is wrong, of that I'm sure. You just forgot to tell me have a medical degree, and specialize in my medical condition. I stand corrected. How about you assist the doctors when I get the heart transplant, and you can tell them what they are doing wrong?9 -
Body acceptance can help people love themselves, it has created a space of communication between those who had suffered discrimination or feel shamed because of their bodies but when it's a unhealthy fat/obesity acceptance it crosses the limit of the sanity, that's the problem.
I think that certain characters that have strong voice in the media have turned it from a movement that promotes selflove and confidence to a movement that attempts to normalize obesity ignoring its health risks. HAES is not right justifying unhealthy lifestyles the same as smokers or drug users shouldn't.
They ignore the health risk and live in the present, you won't see in their files old people or people who is already harshly affected by the obesity but young people who still haven't experienced the consecuences. The worst of them are very close minded, try to spread a sick mentality with no scientific ground like "cico doesn't work, you can't lose weight not matter the mean, accept you're going to be fat and love it" and ignore you in case you don't agree with them, they've banned followers that just claimed to lose weight. For example the self proclaimed athlete Ragen Chastain told a girl facing blindess to ignore her doctor's medical advice of losing weight.
Those toxic people and enviroments are the part that draws most attention but that's not a majority, I think most folks know that fat is unhealthy, their doctors and the media are constant reminders but that doesn't make them less worthy of respect. We can't stop the media but we can contribute our grain of sand giving the proper nutrition information when required and being an example of good health.5 -
I support every human's right to feel comfortable in their own skin regardless of weight, height, race, faith, gender, sexual orientation, health, disability, eye colour, hair colour, teeth straightness, favourite sports team etc.
I don't support the fat acceptance movement - and the same rhetoric espoused by the fat acceptance movement has also crept into the body positivity movement - because it has turned into a cause filled with hypocrisy, entitlement and promotes an unhealthy lifestyle, often resorting to naming SCIENTIFIC FACT as 'fatphobia.' (see post above regarding Ragen Chastain telling a girl to ignore her doctor in the face of blindness)
The hypocrisy of the FA movement is what gets me.
Fat Acceptance/Body Positivity advocates will claim "My food intake has no bearing on my weight" while telling women under 200lbs to "eat a cheeseburger."
FA/BP advocates will claim that "You're not a doctor, you can't make assumptions on my health based on my weight" while instantly diagnosing any woman under 200lbs with anorexia nervosa. Not only can they make a 100% accurate assumption on their health based on a photo, they can also judge their mental state, too. A FA/BP advocate posts a stream of selfies describing themselves as a "perfect, fierce, beautiful warrior Goddess" - perfectly fine. A slimmer woman posts a pic and she's "vain/shallow/stuck-up/conceited/attention seeking."
FA/BP claim that fatphobia is lurking in every corner, but it's perfectly OK to call somebody a "skinny b*tch/twig/anorexic/body of a 12 year-old boy." Tearing others down to make yourself feel better? Really? If it's health at every size, then shouldn't that include people.....you know, of EVERY size?
Posting all kinds of memes about "Real men" who will love every inch. All of said memes contain an overweight woman with a slimmer man. Dare to ask why they wouldn't date a man equally as overweight as they are and without a hint of irony, the reply will be "We shouldn't have to lower our standards." Do you what? They are right. Everybody IS entitled to their preferences, but when those preferences include a REQUIREMENT for people to bring qualities to the table that you yourself have no intention of displaying then it becomes unrealistic and reeks of entitlement. Again, the notion of "We deserve fit partners, but people as fat as me? They can go jump off a cliff onto a bed of spikes" highlights the hypocrisy of the fat acceptance/body positivity movement.
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purebredpolly wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »purebredpolly wrote: »I feel so sorry for you being so ignorant of medical conditions, including those chemically induced to lower one's metabolism to prevent the thyroid from causing the heart to beat until it explodes. Which is exactly what the doctor had to do as I nearly died from my heart beating too fast. I've been diagnosed with stage 3 congestive heart failure, with uncontrolled a-fib that must be kept under control. They lower my metabolism to a snail's pace. You are ignorant, and it's ignorant people like you that make nice folks like me to lose patience and speak rudely. You have no idea what you are talking about, and need to stop thinking you know it all. I am 1 stage away from getting on the list for a heart transplant. Think before you speak!
There is no medical condition that can violate the law of conservation of matter. It can't be done. Your "lower metabolism" means that your deficit might require you to eat fewer calories than someone else, but it doesn't mean you are the exception to physics. There are no humans who can defy physics. It's not possible.
If you eat in a deficit, you will lose weight. This is a fact, whether you like it or not. Speaking factually is not "ignorant. Be as rude as you want, but it won't entitle you to alternate facts.heiliskrimsli wrote: »purebredpolly wrote: »I feel so sorry for you being so ignorant of medical conditions, including those chemically induced to lower one's metabolism to prevent the thyroid from causing the heart to beat until it explodes. Which is exactly what the doctor had to do as I nearly died from my heart beating too fast. I've been diagnosed with stage 3 congestive heart failure, with uncontrolled a-fib that must be kept under control. They lower my metabolism to a snail's pace. You are ignorant, and it's ignorant people like you that make nice folks like me to lose patience and speak rudely. You have no idea what you are talking about, and need to stop thinking you know it all. I am 1 stage away from getting on the list for a heart transplant. Think before you speak!
There is no medical condition that can violate the law of conservation of matter. It can't be done. Your "lower metabolism" means that your deficit might require you to eat fewer calories than someone else, but it doesn't mean you are the exception to physics. There are no humans who can defy physics. It's not possible.
If you eat in a deficit, you will lose weight. This is a fact, whether you like it or not. Speaking factually is not "ignorant. Be as rude as you want, but it won't entitle you to alternate facts.heiliskrimsli wrote: »purebredpolly wrote: »I feel so sorry for you being so ignorant of medical conditions, including those chemically induced to lower one's metabolism to prevent the thyroid from causing the heart to beat until it explodes. Which is exactly what the doctor had to do as I nearly died from my heart beating too fast. I've been diagnosed with stage 3 congestive heart failure, with uncontrolled a-fib that must be kept under control. They lower my metabolism to a snail's pace. You are ignorant, and it's ignorant people like you that make nice folks like me to lose patience and speak rudely. You have no idea what you are talking about, and need to stop thinking you know it all. I am 1 stage away from getting on the list for a heart transplant. Think before you speak!
There is no medical condition that can violate the law of conservation of matter. It can't be done. Your "lower metabolism" means that your deficit might require you to eat fewer calories than someone else, but it doesn't mean you are the exception to physics. There are no humans who can defy physics. It's not possible.
If you eat in a deficit, you will lose weight. This is a fact, whether you like it or not. Speaking factually is not "ignorant. Be as rude as you want, but it won't entitle you to alternate facts.
Today my endocrinologist told me I needed to start eating more calories because my reduction of calories is so low that my createen (spelling?) Was too low as a result of my lowering my calories so far down that I am not getting enough protein, and that I am in dangerous waters because my calories were too low. I suppose I could lower my calories further and could eventually lower them enough to lose weight, but according to the endocrinologist I am risking organ failure by having my calories as low as I have been. But you are right, and my specialist is wrong, of that I'm sure. You just forgot to tell me have a medical degree, and specialize in my medical condition. I stand corrected. How about you assist the doctors when I get the heart transplant, and you can tell them what they are doing wrong?
RDA for protein is ~50 grams, that's 200 calories. No one's metabolism is that low that they couldn't possibly get in that much if they tried.8 -
I support every human's right to feel comfortable in their own skin regardless of weight, height, race, faith, gender, sexual orientation, health, disability, eye colour, hair colour, teeth straightness, favourite sports team etc.
I don't support the fat acceptance movement - and the same rhetoric espoused by the fat acceptance movement has also crept into the body positivity movement - because it has turned into a cause filled with hypocrisy, entitlement and promotes an unhealthy lifestyle, often resorting to naming SCIENTIFIC FACT as 'fatphobia.' (see post above regarding Ragen Chastain telling a girl to ignore her doctor in the face of blindness)
The hypocrisy of the FA movement is what gets me.
Fat Acceptance/Body Positivity advocates will claim "My food intake has no bearing on my weight" while telling women under 200lbs to "eat a cheeseburger."
FA/BP advocates will claim that "You're not a doctor, you can't make assumptions on my health based on my weight" while instantly diagnosing any woman under 200lbs with anorexia nervosa. Not only can they make a 100% accurate assumption on their health based on a photo, they can also judge their mental state, too. A FA/BP advocate posts a stream of selfies describing themselves as a "perfect, fierce, beautiful warrior Goddess" - perfectly fine. A slimmer woman posts a pic and she's "vain/shallow/stuck-up/conceited/attention seeking."
FA/BP claim that fatphobia is lurking in every corner, but it's perfectly OK to call somebody a "skinny b*tch/twig/anorexic/body of a 12 year-old boy." Tearing others down to make yourself feel better? Really? If it's health at every size, then shouldn't that include people.....you know, of EVERY size?
Posting all kinds of memes about "Real men" who will love every inch. All of said memes contain an overweight woman with a slimmer man. Dare to ask why they wouldn't date a man equally as overweight as they are and without a hint of irony, the reply will be "We shouldn't have to lower our standards." Do you what? They are right. Everybody IS entitled to their preferences, but when those preferences include a REQUIREMENT for people to bring qualities to the table that you yourself have no intention of displaying then it becomes unrealistic and reeks of entitlement. Again, the notion of "We deserve fit partners, but people as fat as me? They can go jump off a cliff onto a bed of spikes" highlights the hypocrisy of the fat acceptance/body positivity movement.
I totally agree with you. My teen daughter is naturally very slim. She is constantly bombarded with nasty messages, especially the body of a twelve year old boy thing. She thinks her shoulders are bony and disgusting...hello shoulders are meant to be sculpted and are naturally going to be a bit bony because fat doesn't gather there unless you are overweight. But she's constantly being told by the FA militants that she's too skinny and therefore will never find a man who find her attractive. It's really damaging to young women and no different imho than espousing a size 00, heroin chic look. Both are unhealthy extremes. I wish that fashion and media would just show healthy BMI bodies....athletic and no athletic because healthy range is what is most attractive and what girls should aspire to.6 -
I support positive image yes, love yourself at every stage. I do not support any type of fit shaming or fat shaming. Surprisingly when I was fat nobody said a thing. When I got fit, everyone said I needed to eat, I am too skinny, I don't look normal and everyone is constantly trying to shove food down your throat. It's more normal to be overweight than fit. I do support speaking with friends and family about leading a healthier lifestyle. I have a friend who is obese and he always claimed he was in the perfect bill of health (even though he walked with a cane from knee problems) and that his doctor said he was healthy and fit. 3 months after talking to him about this he ended up in the ER and had to have an emergency triple bi-pass. Just be aware, the problems of being obese don't always show up in a test. Thankfully my friend is on the road to recovery and now making better food choices. We visited this week and he is no longer walking with a cane since he has lost some weight
Also just because someone appears to be thin doesn't make them healthy either. I know a number of fit people that have high cholesterol. 12 -
helenrenee007 wrote: »I support positive image yes, love yourself at every stage. I do not support any type of fit shaming or fat shaming. Surprisingly when I was fat nobody said a thing. When I got fit, everyone said I needed to eat, I am too skinny, I don't look normal and everyone is constantly trying to shove food down your throat.
I had the same thing when I lost weight, in fact I had the people who used to tease me for being fat telling me that I needed to eat more. It was almost as if me being overweight gave them a sense of superiority over me and losing weight robbed them of that.
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