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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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singingflutelady wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »tiffaninghs wrote: »unpopular opinion.. protein is overrated.. we dont have protein deficiencies here in the US... its all a marketing scheme..
I have actually had protein deficiency (very low albumin)
My sister was hospitalized for protein deficiency once -- she was a teenage vegetarian who ate very few nutrient-dense foods. It can happen.
For me it was when my crohn's was very very severe and I wasn't absorbing anything. I was hospitalized for over a month on tpn and was getting blood transfusions because of it
That's why I don't understand people making blanket statements like that. You have people who are ill and can't eat much, people who are having absorption issues, people who are very picky eaters, and people who restrict their diets without making appropriate replacements for the foods they're eliminating. All these people potentially could have protein deficiencies.
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My most unpopular "opinion" is that you need to eat more to lose weight, because science. Mention I'm eating 800 calories per day to lose weight? Cheers, praise, questions on how I'm doing it, what I'm eating, etc. Tell them I'm actually eating 2800 calories per day to lose weight? *crickets* Then the storm.
Science? .... /music... strange science!
I'm eating more than 4K cals a day. I've gained about 25# in the last 6 months and it's been a royal pain. Eating has become a job and not fun.
... so you are saying that I'd be better off eating 800 on my bulk? 
ForecasterJason wrote: »
I never claimed to be able to tell exactly how much weight anyone gained. I said I could tell a difference between a little extra weight and a ton.WinoGelato wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I did not ask. But I also know other pregnant women who did not gain excessively. There's obviously a noticeable difference between a few extra pounds and a ton extra.Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
IRL, I would say that more than half of women I know who have become pregnant gained substantially more weight than they needed to. I don't know if that represents the population as a whole, but among those I actually know, it seems to me like it's a very common (and preventable) issue.lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »Regarding women and pregnancy weight gain, I think it's fair to say this. There are a lot of women out there who gain a lot more than what they really need to. Regardless of whatever amount of weight that is, there are a lot of women who gain excessively.
So do non pregnant men. What's your point?
Exactly what I was wondering in response to that statement.
Perhaps the point being made was not that non pregnant people also gain too much, but that there are women who use the pregnancy as an excuse to gain too much.
People use lots of things as an excuse for weight gain, so again I'm not sure what JasonForecaster's point was in singling out -- indeed, concern trolling, or so it seemed to me -- about pregnant women doing this. I found it rather humorous (in a way) that he did so. After all, no one asserted that pregnant women never gain too much, there's no particular reason to see pregnant women gaining weight with a pregnancy as the driving force of the obesity problem, which is much broader, and it seems odd that Jason, who is a normal or underweight single guy, last I recall, would be particularly concerned about how all these pregnant women are packing on the pounds. Well, not odd, exactly, but something.
Did you ask these friends of yours how much they gained or you just assumed they gained more than necessary? Curious.
In pregnant women, you can tell just by looking at them how much weight they've put on? That's quite a talent. I wonder how you would have pegged me, who has fibroid tumors that grow to tennis ball/baseball size during pregnancy due to all the excess hormones and gave the distinct appearance that I was carrying twins even though I had only gained 22 lbs and 27 lbs with my pregnancies and gave birth to single, healthy weight, babies each time.
Seriously dude, stop digging your hole. You have no idea how much weight any of those women gained, what their doctors advised them was healthy, etc.
And since this thread is about unpopular opinions, what I'm saying is still valid.
Next up: The women of MFP start advising ForecasterJason about how to handle the negative side effects of higher testosterone . . . .
( . . . wait, how many winkies wazzat for sarcasm? . . )
You can't have too many winkies in this thread. lol.
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Only a small percentage of people truly benefit from being "gluten free." There's an annoying coworker who's very smug about going "gluten free" when she is not a celiac, and honestly, she should know better. But I just keep my mouth shut.
On the other hand, cutting out the empty carbs (like sugary drinks and snacks) and focusing on more whole grains, etc., has done me a world of good - and I've got the scientific data (cholesterol, liver enzymes, fasting glucose, blood pressure) to prove it.7 -
Espresso345 wrote: »Only a small percentage of people truly benefit from being "gluten free." There's an annoying coworker who's very smug about going "gluten free" when she is not a celiac, and honestly, she should know better. But I just keep my mouth shut.
On the other hand, cutting out the empty carbs (like sugary drinks and snacks) and focusing on more whole grains, etc., has done me a world of good - and I've got the scientific data (cholesterol, liver enzymes, fasting glucose, blood pressure) to prove it.
those results can be a function of weight loss and getting to a healthier weight and not reducing a specific macro.
see "the twinkie diet"3 -
Espresso345 wrote: »Only a small percentage of people truly benefit from being "gluten free." There's an annoying coworker who's very smug about going "gluten free" when she is not a celiac, and honestly, she should know better. But I just keep my mouth shut.
On the other hand, cutting out the empty carbs (like sugary drinks and snacks) and focusing on more whole grains, etc., has done me a world of good - and I've got the scientific data (cholesterol, liver enzymes, fasting glucose, blood pressure) to prove it.
those results can be a function of weight loss and getting to a healthier weight and not reducing a specific macro.
see "the twinkie diet"
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cmriverside wrote: »
But to your point, most of the studies I recall seeing made it clear that women gaining more than around 25lbs during pregnancy is completely unnecessary.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »But 20 lbs is a completely arbitrary choice to throw out there, even if you do admit it's completely arbitrary.
They are not "eating for two."
My wife gained so little weight that she didn't know she was pregnant until she went to the hospital with a kidney stone.
But it wasn't a kidney stone; she delivered our perfectly healthy daughter not long afterwards.
Yes, she was still having her period.
Malnourished women in Third-World countries make new humans all the time without becoming unnecessarily fat in the process.
They do it without eating whole boxes of crackers, tubs of ice cream, or anything else.
No need to eat like a piggy -pregnant or not- just because you are "craving" something, eh?
Now that is an "unpopular opinion" but the science backs my statement.
It blows my mind that someone (and I know it happens) doesn't know they're pregnant until the baby comes.
Was your wife overweight? I can't even.
This has always baffled me. I've been pregnant 3 times. I understand that not all women experience the same exact signs but..... How do you not feel it move?! It's more than just feeling like you have the "bubble guts." It's kinda like something has invaded your body type of feeling! Aren't your breast really sore and don't you pee every hour? (FWIW- I gained 30-40lbs during pregnancies, max weight at full term was 170lbs with #3).
Aside to this: Mrs Jruzer didn't know she was expecting until several months into pregnancy #1. It was a very stressful time for us, there was a lot going on, and there were some confusing, uh, indicators. It was a few months in before she really noticed that something unusual was going on and peed on a stick to confirm. Apprently this is more common than I knew. There's no way she wouldn't have known he was in there for all 9 months, though!
Surprise baby is now 19, a college sophomore and an Eagle Scout.19 -
My most unpopular "opinion" is that you need to eat more to lose weight, because science. Mention I'm eating 800 calories per day to lose weight? Cheers, praise, questions on how I'm doing it, what I'm eating, etc. Tell them I'm actually eating 2800 calories per day to lose weight? *crickets* Then the storm.
I really think you have this backwards. I rarely if ever see people praised for eating under 1200 calories, and often see the opposite, with people jumping on the poster without knowing the whys. The only time I've seen negative about eating more is when the poster complains they can't lose weight.3 -
My most unpopular "opinion" is that you need to eat more to lose weight, because science. Mention I'm eating 800 calories per day to lose weight? Cheers, praise, questions on how I'm doing it, what I'm eating, etc. Tell them I'm actually eating 2800 calories per day to lose weight? *crickets* Then the storm.
I really think you have this backwards. I rarely if ever see people praised for eating under 1200 calories, and often see the opposite, with people jumping on the poster without knowing the whys. The only time I've seen negative about eating more is when the poster complains they can't lose weight.
She's talking about out there in the world. I think that was the premise of the thread. "Unpopular opinions."
I agree that eating more is the solution to a lot of peoples' yo-yo dieting. I've stopped talking about food or nutrition or "diet" with anyone outside this site.1 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »I can't decide whether my popcorn or my facepalm gif would be more appropriate in here.
Is the popcorn salted?
Yup, I'm ded. May as well wash it down with some milk and be done with it!
I think you can be revived if the milk is in the form of yogurt.
Rub some coconut oil on your face, that will revive you.6 -
cmriverside wrote: »My most unpopular "opinion" is that you need to eat more to lose weight, because science. Mention I'm eating 800 calories per day to lose weight? Cheers, praise, questions on how I'm doing it, what I'm eating, etc. Tell them I'm actually eating 2800 calories per day to lose weight? *crickets* Then the storm.
I really think you have this backwards. I rarely if ever see people praised for eating under 1200 calories, and often see the opposite, with people jumping on the poster without knowing the whys. The only time I've seen negative about eating more is when the poster complains they can't lose weight.
She's talking about out there in the world. I think that was the premise of the thread. "Unpopular opinions."
I agree that eating more is the solution to a lot of peoples' yo-yo dieting. I've stopped talking about food or nutrition or "diet" with anyone outside this site.
@Leigh14 apologies if I read that wrong. I've lost track of whether people are posting their own unpopular opinions, other people's unpopular opinions, or unpopular opinions encountered IRL.
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cmriverside wrote: »My most unpopular "opinion" is that you need to eat more to lose weight, because science. Mention I'm eating 800 calories per day to lose weight? Cheers, praise, questions on how I'm doing it, what I'm eating, etc. Tell them I'm actually eating 2800 calories per day to lose weight? *crickets* Then the storm.
I really think you have this backwards. I rarely if ever see people praised for eating under 1200 calories, and often see the opposite, with people jumping on the poster without knowing the whys. The only time I've seen negative about eating more is when the poster complains they can't lose weight.
She's talking about out there in the world. I think that was the premise of the thread. "Unpopular opinions."
I agree that eating more is the solution to a lot of peoples' yo-yo dieting. I've stopped talking about food or nutrition or "diet" with anyone outside this site.
@Leigh14 apologies if I read that wrong. I've lost track of whether people are posting their own unpopular opinions, other people's unpopular opinions, or unpopular opinions encountered IRL.
To be fair, lots of people on this site think 1200 is the only way and they don't believe us when we say, "eat more."
Unfortunately, it does work. Until it doesn't, and then where do you go?
I've lost weight on 1200, 1600, 1800, 2000. Today at maintenance I eat 1800-2300 net and I do fine maintaining. Context, I guess. 1 -
I think most people look older after losing a substantial amount of weight. But everyone always comments WOW YOU LOOK SO MUCH YOUNGER. Are they just being nice, or do they really associate fatness with age so strongly that they can't see the effects of gravity on looser skin?
Similarly, I usually think the 'before' picture looks more like someone I'd like to know. Kinder, more fun. I'm aware that this is my own prejudices based on how fat people have treated me better than thin people. Because I am fat.
This having been said, I'm still super proud of everyone who loses a lot of weight, including myself! It's not all about looking younger, after all!13 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »My most unpopular "opinion" is that you need to eat more to lose weight, because science. Mention I'm eating 800 calories per day to lose weight? Cheers, praise, questions on how I'm doing it, what I'm eating, etc. Tell them I'm actually eating 2800 calories per day to lose weight? *crickets* Then the storm.
I really think you have this backwards. I rarely if ever see people praised for eating under 1200 calories, and often see the opposite, with people jumping on the poster without knowing the whys. The only time I've seen negative about eating more is when the poster complains they can't lose weight.
She's talking about out there in the world. I think that was the premise of the thread. "Unpopular opinions."
I agree that eating more is the solution to a lot of peoples' yo-yo dieting. I've stopped talking about food or nutrition or "diet" with anyone outside this site.
@Leigh14 apologies if I read that wrong. I've lost track of whether people are posting their own unpopular opinions, other people's unpopular opinions, or unpopular opinions encountered IRL.
To be fair, lots of people on this site think 1200 is the only way and they don't believe us when we say, "eat more."
Unfortunately, it does work. Until it doesn't, and then where do you go?
I've lost weight on 1200, 1600, 1800, 2000. Today at maintenance I eat 1800-2300 net and I do fine maintaining. Context, I guess.
Oh, I'm not disputing that 1200 calories or fewer is certainly appropriate for some people (me, for instance ), I was just commenting on the fact that I thought she meant that people on these boards generally applaud lower-calorie diets and disapprove of higher-calorie ones, which is opposite what (in my opinion - ha!) generally happens.
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thewindandthework wrote: »I think most people look older after losing a substantial amount of weight. But everyone always comments WOW YOU LOOK SO MUCH YOUNGER. Are they just being nice, or do they really associate fatness with age so strongly that they can't see the effects of gravity on looser skin?
Similarly, I usually think the 'before' picture looks more like someone I'd like to know. Kinder, more fun. I'm aware that this is my own prejudices based on how fat people have treated me better than thin people. Because I am fat.
This having been said, I'm still super proud of everyone who loses a lot of weight, including myself! It's not all about looking younger, after all!
Agreed. I KNOW I look older. I'm much more jowelly.3 -
GMOs are actually safe to eat, and can often provide more nutrients than their 'organic' (all life is organic) counterparts.
inb4 I get called a shill.
No, I am simply a poor student studying agricultural genetics. If I was being paid off by Big Pharma, I'd have my own dietitian and chef preparing my meals, and a personal trainer working with me in my own private gym. I wouldn't need MFP.
inb4 "that's what a shill would say!"12 -
On pregnancy:
You're not eating for 2; you're eating for 1.1.3 -
Calorie counting is exhausting and for some people who are prone to it, like me, can lead to disordered eating and/or thought patterns once a normal BMI has been achieved. I stumbled on this YT vid recently and realized this woman was describing to a T how I saw food and lived my life around it. I went nearly two years without a period (despite my BMI never dropping under 19), was food obsessed - I could completely relate to her saying that everything she did was a way to distract herself from thinking about food - and probably had a form of exercise bulimia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oF-sdANLJ4&t=10s
I had to also learn to relax and let go of control. I don't weigh my food anymore. I had to tone down my workouts. I stopped weighing myself. I likely gained 5-10lbs, but it was very necessary as I now finally have my period back. I am not on my way to be being 600lbs. Not surprisingly enough, if you eat what your body actually needs to eat, you don't completely obsess about food anymore and it loses it's binge appeal. Some days I eat more than others and it balances out in the end. I finally feel like I am starting to have a normal and healthy relationship with food. I have not completely thrown in the towel with calorie counting. I still try to save where I can and makes sense, but I am not as strict about it and am somewhat more open to eating foods where I don't really know or can guess what the calorie count is.
Anyway, be aware that this is a thing for some people. They really take the whole idea of calorie counting and run it into the ground to the complete detriment to their own health. It's not discipline. It's disorder.5 -
cmriverside wrote: »
But to your point, most of the studies I recall seeing made it clear that women gaining more than around 25lbs during pregnancy is completely unnecessary.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »But 20 lbs is a completely arbitrary choice to throw out there, even if you do admit it's completely arbitrary.
They are not "eating for two."
My wife gained so little weight that she didn't know she was pregnant until she went to the hospital with a kidney stone.
But it wasn't a kidney stone; she delivered our perfectly healthy daughter not long afterwards.
Yes, she was still having her period.
Malnourished women in Third-World countries make new humans all the time without becoming unnecessarily fat in the process.
They do it without eating whole boxes of crackers, tubs of ice cream, or anything else.
No need to eat like a piggy -pregnant or not- just because you are "craving" something, eh?
Now that is an "unpopular opinion" but the science backs my statement.
It blows my mind that someone (and I know it happens) doesn't know they're pregnant until the baby comes.
Was your wife overweight? I can't even.
This has always baffled me. I've been pregnant 3 times. I understand that not all women experience the same exact signs but..... How do you not feel it move?! It's more than just feeling like you have the "bubble guts." It's kinda like something has invaded your body type of feeling! Aren't your breast really sore and don't you pee every hour? (FWIW- I gained 30-40lbs during pregnancies, max weight at full term was 170lbs with #3).
Aside to this: Mrs Jruzer didn't know she was expecting until several months into pregnancy #1. It was a very stressful time for us, there was a lot going on, and there were some confusing, uh, indicators. It was a few months in before she really noticed that something unusual was going on and peed on a stick to confirm. Apprently this is more common than I knew. There's no way she wouldn't have known he was in there for all 9 months, though!
Surprise baby is now 19, a college sophomore and an Eagle Scout.
I am so jealous of women like your wife. I knew within weeks of being pregnant both times. If you get bad "morning" sickness and pregnancy-style acid reflux, you can't not know. I can see getting to the 4-6 month point without knowing if you didn't have to deal with those side effects though.3 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »On pregnancy:
You're not eating for 2; you're eating for 1.1.
you're actually eating to sustain your normal bodily functions and energy expenditures plus the extra energy expended in creating and growing a baby. which, by the way, is *kitten* exhausting. and, surprise, varies a bit by individual.15 -
SusanMFindlay wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
But to your point, most of the studies I recall seeing made it clear that women gaining more than around 25lbs during pregnancy is completely unnecessary.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »But 20 lbs is a completely arbitrary choice to throw out there, even if you do admit it's completely arbitrary.
They are not "eating for two."
My wife gained so little weight that she didn't know she was pregnant until she went to the hospital with a kidney stone.
But it wasn't a kidney stone; she delivered our perfectly healthy daughter not long afterwards.
Yes, she was still having her period.
Malnourished women in Third-World countries make new humans all the time without becoming unnecessarily fat in the process.
They do it without eating whole boxes of crackers, tubs of ice cream, or anything else.
No need to eat like a piggy -pregnant or not- just because you are "craving" something, eh?
Now that is an "unpopular opinion" but the science backs my statement.
It blows my mind that someone (and I know it happens) doesn't know they're pregnant until the baby comes.
Was your wife overweight? I can't even.
This has always baffled me. I've been pregnant 3 times. I understand that not all women experience the same exact signs but..... How do you not feel it move?! It's more than just feeling like you have the "bubble guts." It's kinda like something has invaded your body type of feeling! Aren't your breast really sore and don't you pee every hour? (FWIW- I gained 30-40lbs during pregnancies, max weight at full term was 170lbs with #3).
Aside to this: Mrs Jruzer didn't know she was expecting until several months into pregnancy #1. It was a very stressful time for us, there was a lot going on, and there were some confusing, uh, indicators. It was a few months in before she really noticed that something unusual was going on and peed on a stick to confirm. Apprently this is more common than I knew. There's no way she wouldn't have known he was in there for all 9 months, though!
Surprise baby is now 19, a college sophomore and an Eagle Scout.
I am so jealous of women like your wife. I knew within weeks of being pregnant both times. If you get bad "morning" sickness and pregnancy-style acid reflux, you can't not know. I can see getting to the 4-6 month point without knowing if you didn't have to deal with those side effects though.
Oh, I managed to not know for nearly 3 months, despite being sick! I was studying for a notoriously difficult financial services exam; normally I am a really good test taker but I was getting 60s on the practice exams and was freaking the freak out, stressed, feeling sick, not eating, exhausted...and I would occasionally wonder, why am I being so weird about this test?! Well...I aced the test (89%...same difference)...and...was STILL sick, stressed, not eating, exhausted. And I finally put two and two together.
Also, apparently getting pregnant immediately after going off the pill is very common. Don't listen to the old wives tales. Although I think I could probably get pregnant if my husband just gives me a devilish glance.6
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