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"Drink Shakeology because protein turns to fat"
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all you need to LOSE WEIGHT is a calorie deficit.
to BE HEALTHY you need to consider a lot more than just calorie deficit
Honestly, this doesn't seem like it should need repeated as often as it seems to around here.13 -
all you need to LOSE WEIGHT is a calorie deficit.
to BE HEALTHY you need to consider a lot more than just calorie deficit
Honestly, this doesn't seem like it should need repeated as often as it seems to around here.
It needs to be repeated because sadly, too many people take that first sentence to mean, "Eat all the [insert "junk" food of choice] you want and don't worry about anything but calories!"
It doesn't seem to matter how many times we add the disclaimer that health and nutrition are about more than purely calorie intake and we're only talking about weight loss, someone will jump on the all-or-nothing Twinkie bandwagon.9 -
Honestly, I'd be more concerned with the levels of lead in Shakeology.
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xmichaelyx wrote: »Shakeology is a scam, Beachbody is for the weak, and yes, excess calories are stored as fat even if they come from protein.
I'm confused, how is Beachbody for the weak? I've lost 40lbs following different workout programs they have and I'm very far from weak. Enlighten me.
AH! We found the beachbody salesman! Welcome to the logic zone where all you need is a calorie deficit to lose 40 pounds! *queue twilight theme*
If all you needed was a calorie deficit I wouldn't be getting my butt up and working out as hard as I do six days a week. I'm not a coach, I'm not affiliated with them at all, I have not purchased a single shake or supplement. It was a simple question so if YOU have been unsuccessful do not play yourself and take that out on me with your attitude.
All you need is a calorie deficit.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
When you're all out of insight but you can't admit you're wrong, just make it personal
Disagreeing with someone and choosing not to pursue the subject does not mean I'm wrong. I don't know if you're aware of this but you're not obligated to travel down every path you come across.13 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »Shakeology is a scam, Beachbody is for the weak, and yes, excess calories are stored as fat even if they come from protein.
I'm confused, how is Beachbody for the weak? I've lost 40lbs following different workout programs they have and I'm very far from weak. Enlighten me.
AH! We found the beachbody salesman! Welcome to the logic zone where all you need is a calorie deficit to lose 40 pounds! *queue twilight theme*
If all you needed was a calorie deficit I wouldn't be getting my butt up and working out as hard as I do six days a week. I'm not a coach, I'm not affiliated with them at all, I have not purchased a single shake or supplement. It was a simple question so if YOU have been unsuccessful do not play yourself and take that out on me with your attitude.
All you need is a calorie deficit.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
When you're all out of insight but you can't admit you're wrong, just make it personal
Disagreeing with someone and choosing not to pursue the subject does not mean I'm wrong. I don't know if you're aware of this but you're not obligated to travel down every path you come across.
You're right, choosing not to pursue a subject and disagreeing with someone doesn't make you wrong. Believing that weight loss is not effectively approached by maintaining a calorie deficit and that intense exercise is necessary for weightloss is what makes you wrong.17 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »Shakeology is a scam, Beachbody is for the weak, and yes, excess calories are stored as fat even if they come from protein.
I'm confused, how is Beachbody for the weak? I've lost 40lbs following different workout programs they have and I'm very far from weak. Enlighten me.
AH! We found the beachbody salesman! Welcome to the logic zone where all you need is a calorie deficit to lose 40 pounds! *queue twilight theme*
If all you needed was a calorie deficit I wouldn't be getting my butt up and working out as hard as I do six days a week. I'm not a coach, I'm not affiliated with them at all, I have not purchased a single shake or supplement. It was a simple question so if YOU have been unsuccessful do not play yourself and take that out on me with your attitude.
All you need is a calorie deficit.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
When you're all out of insight but you can't admit you're wrong, just make it personal
Disagreeing with someone and choosing not to pursue the subject does not mean I'm wrong. I don't know if you're aware of this but you're not obligated to travel down every path you come across.
You're right, choosing not to pursue a subject and disagreeing with someone doesn't make you wrong. Believing that weight loss is not effectively approached by maintaining a calorie deficit and that intense exercise is necessary for weightloss is what makes you wrong.
Intense exercise (or exercise of any kind, for that matter) is not necessary for weight loss. Weight loss is achieved through calorie deficit. Exercise can help create that deficit and it's a good idea for a lot of other reasons, but it is not a requirement for weight loss in any way, shape or form.12 -
lucerorojo wrote: »I don't know but the idea that you can't get fat from alcohol doesn't make sense, with CICO. It's still calories. The sugar in it would be used as sugar from any food source, wouldn't it? What does a beer belly come from?
If you are a heavy drinker you can still gain weight a shot of liqueur (1.5 fl oz) is 97 calories - that would mean 4 shots would be 380 calories. A calorie is a calorie and 4 shots is a meal.0 -
lucerorojo wrote: »I don't know but the idea that you can't get fat from alcohol doesn't make sense, with CICO. It's still calories. The sugar in it would be used as sugar from any food source, wouldn't it? What does a beer belly come from?
If you are a heavy drinker you can still gain weight a shot of liqueur (1.5 fl oz) is 97 calories - that would mean 4 shots would be 380 calories. A calorie is a calorie and 4 shots is a meal.
Actually no - as long as you are not drinking beer/wine (which have significant amounts of carbs) or the sweet mixed drinks (i.e. drinks that contain sugars), or eating a ton of food along with the drinks - straight liquor such as whisky/vodka/scotch/etc. is not converted to fat and is simply eliminated from the body.
See this article for a fairly good explanation of what happens with alcohol:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle.html2 -
lucerorojo wrote: »I don't know but the idea that you can't get fat from alcohol doesn't make sense, with CICO. It's still calories. The sugar in it would be used as sugar from any food source, wouldn't it? What does a beer belly come from?
If you are a heavy drinker you can still gain weight a shot of liqueur (1.5 fl oz) is 97 calories - that would mean 4 shots would be 380 calories. A calorie is a calorie and 4 shots is a meal.
Actually no - as long as you are not drinking beer/wine (which have significant amounts of carbs) or the sweet mixed drinks (i.e. drinks that contain sugars), or eating a ton of food along with the drinks - straight liquor such as whisky/vodka/scotch/etc. is not converted to fat and is simply eliminated from the body.
See this article for a fairly good explanation of what happens with alcohol:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle.html
Oh good god, there is so much wrong with this it makes me feel dumber even reading it.0 -
lucerorojo wrote: »I don't know but the idea that you can't get fat from alcohol doesn't make sense, with CICO. It's still calories. The sugar in it would be used as sugar from any food source, wouldn't it? What does a beer belly come from?
If you are a heavy drinker you can still gain weight a shot of liqueur (1.5 fl oz) is 97 calories - that would mean 4 shots would be 380 calories. A calorie is a calorie and 4 shots is a meal.
Actually no - as long as you are not drinking beer/wine (which have significant amounts of carbs) or the sweet mixed drinks (i.e. drinks that contain sugars), or eating a ton of food along with the drinks - straight liquor such as whisky/vodka/scotch/etc. is not converted to fat and is simply eliminated from the body.
See this article for a fairly good explanation of what happens with alcohol:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle.html
Oh good god, there is so much wrong with this it makes me feel dumber even reading it.
So, please, point out what's wrong with the article?0 -
lucerorojo wrote: »I don't know but the idea that you can't get fat from alcohol doesn't make sense, with CICO. It's still calories. The sugar in it would be used as sugar from any food source, wouldn't it? What does a beer belly come from?
If you are a heavy drinker you can still gain weight a shot of liqueur (1.5 fl oz) is 97 calories - that would mean 4 shots would be 380 calories. A calorie is a calorie and 4 shots is a meal.
Actually no - as long as you are not drinking beer/wine (which have significant amounts of carbs) or the sweet mixed drinks (i.e. drinks that contain sugars), or eating a ton of food along with the drinks - straight liquor such as whisky/vodka/scotch/etc. is not converted to fat and is simply eliminated from the body.
See this article for a fairly good explanation of what happens with alcohol:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle.html
Oh good god, there is so much wrong with this it makes me feel dumber even reading it.
So, please, point out what's wrong with the article?
I didn't say there was anything wrong with the article, but there is definitely something wrong with your assertion that you will can't possibly gain weight drinking whisky/vodka/scotch because it is "simply eliminated from the body. Unless you can point me to a whisky, vodka, or scotch that contains zero calories then you are absolutely incorrect. When it comes to weight loss, a calorie is still a calorie and any calories consumed from vodka are not miraculously immune to CICO.1 -
Actually. current research is showing that alcohol might actually be an exception because of the way that the body metabolizes the alcohol:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/11135838/Is-booze-making-you-fat-Not-necessarily.html
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa35.htm
http://drinks.seriouseats.com/2013/10/cocktail-science-do-alcohol-calories-count-digesting-spirits.html
I know, the third one is not a real serious article, but he does have links out to papers and research that backs up his claims.0 -
But, if the alcohol is being used for energy, then fat isn't. So while alcohol may not be stored in any way, having it in your system means other fuel sources are not used. So the impact is still based on the number of calories.6
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I don't think it is used as energy. Alcohol breaks down in the liver to acetate which is dumped into the blood stream for the kidneys to filter and excrete. Some portion of the acetate gets converted to Acetylcarnitine (but it's not known how much) which is a pre-cursor to the l-carnitine amino acid (not an energy source in and of itself). These is some breakdown into fatty acids, but the liver would only create .8 grams of fat acids from 24 grams of pure alcohol - which means that you would have to drink a toxic amount of alcohol to have any meaningful effect on energy production or weight. Oh, there is also no biological pathway to convert alcohol to sugar, so no energy production there.
Which explains a lot - ever notice how you feel wiped out and your *kitten* is dragging the ground after a night of drinking? Since energy production is basically put on hold until all of the alcohol is removed from your system, depending on much you drank and how long of a period you drank, you are running on stored reserves. After the alcohol has been removed from your system, the body goes into overtime to replenish the stores - thus making you feel tired and lethargic.
So basically, yes there are calories in hard liquor, but the vast majority of those calories are not biologically available to the human body.2 -
I don't think it is used as energy. Alcohol breaks down in the liver to acetate which is dumped into the blood stream for the kidneys to filter and excrete. Some portion of the acetate gets converted to Acetylcarnitine (but it's not known how much) which is a pre-cursor to the l-carnitine amino acid (not an energy source in and of itself). These is some breakdown into fatty acids, but the liver would only create .8 grams of fat acids from 24 grams of pure alcohol - which means that you would have to drink a toxic amount of alcohol to have any meaningful effect on energy production or weight. Oh, there is also no biological pathway to convert alcohol to sugar, so no energy production there.
Which explains a lot - ever notice how you feel wiped out and your *kitten* is dragging the ground after a night of drinking? Since energy production is basically put on hold until all of the alcohol is removed from your system, depending on much you drank and how long of a period you drank, you are running on stored reserves. After the alcohol has been removed from your system, the body goes into overtime to replenish the stores - thus making you feel tired and lethargic.
So basically, yes there are calories in hard liquor, but the vast majority of those calories are not biologically available to the human body.
This is really interesting, and I had no idea it worked this way. I'll have to look into it further. I always thought that being tired was due to physical exertion; for me, drinking tends to go hand-in-hand with dancing.
I always thought "stored reserves" referred to fat.0 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »But, if the alcohol is being used for energy, then fat isn't. So while alcohol may not be stored in any way, having it in your system means other fuel sources are not used. So the impact is still based on the number of calories.
That is/was my thinking, but the nih link seems to refute that. I didn't read all of it, but it seemed to show that even though (some) people consumed extra Calories - by way of alcohol consumption - they weren't actually any heavier/fatter than those who didn't drink, but had the same number of non-alcoholic Calories. Or something to that effect, anyway.
eta: I'm not entirely sure we can truly conclude that alcohol doesn't contribute to fat/weight gain, based off of that. But, probably at least that it doesn't contribute nearly as much as one might expect.0 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »But, if the alcohol is being used for energy, then fat isn't. So while alcohol may not be stored in any way, having it in your system means other fuel sources are not used. So the impact is still based on the number of calories.
That is/was my thinking, but the nih link seems to refute that. I didn't read all of it, but it seemed to show that even though (some) people consumed extra Calories - by way of alcohol consumption - they weren't actually any heavier/fatter than those who didn't drink, but had the same number of non-alcoholic Calories. Or something to that effect, anyway.
eta: I'm not entirely sure we can truly conclude that alcohol doesn't contribute to fat/weight gain, based off of that. But, probably at least that it doesn't contribute nearly as much as one might expect.
yeah dont think drinking alcohol makes you fat as my mom is an alcoholic,she drinks beer all day and eats maybe once a day. its a small meal because she was always thin and ate smaller meals. she is now maybe 70 lbs if that. now for her not eating much is why she is so thin. but if alcohol made you fat or was stored as fat then she should have fat or be fat, she literally has a very small % of fat on her body. even when she ate more food she wasnt fat.2 -
I just wanted to say a big thank you, @Gallowmere1984. That site is wonderfully informative.
+1. I bookmarked that site and will be going back there to learn more.
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lucerorojo wrote: »I don't know but the idea that you can't get fat from alcohol doesn't make sense, with CICO. It's still calories. The sugar in it would be used as sugar from any food source, wouldn't it? What does a beer belly come from?
If you are a heavy drinker you can still gain weight a shot of liqueur (1.5 fl oz) is 97 calories - that would mean 4 shots would be 380 calories. A calorie is a calorie and 4 shots is a meal.
Actually no - as long as you are not drinking beer/wine (which have significant amounts of carbs) or the sweet mixed drinks (i.e. drinks that contain sugars), or eating a ton of food along with the drinks - straight liquor such as whisky/vodka/scotch/etc. is not converted to fat and is simply eliminated from the body.
See this article for a fairly good explanation of what happens with alcohol:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle.html
Oh good god, there is so much wrong with this it makes me feel dumber even reading it.
So, please, point out what's wrong with the article?
I didn't say there was anything wrong with the article, but there is definitely something wrong with your assertion that you will can't possibly gain weight drinking whisky/vodka/scotch because it is "simply eliminated from the body. Unless you can point me to a whisky, vodka, or scotch that contains zero calories then you are absolutely incorrect. When it comes to weight loss, a calorie is still a calorie and any calories consumed from vodka are not miraculously immune to CICO.
Alcohol is the one macronutrient which has a 100% oxidation rate and there is zero storage in the body - unlike proteins, fats and carbohydrates, all of which are (or at least can be) stored. The body regards alcohol as a poison, and will (oversimplification, but....) put the oxidation of all other macronutrients aside while it eliminates the alcohol. It "sees" the alcohol as priority #1.
With that said, whiskey, vodka, rum, etc. aren't 100% ethyl alcohol. Most hard liquors are somewhere around 40%-45% (80-90 proof), and beer/wine is way lower than that (3% - 15%'ish) - so there are other ingredients besides pure ethyl alcohol in them, which are mostly carbohydrate. So if you were to drink 16 oz. of straight vodka which is 86 proof (43% alcohol), about 43% of those calories are pure ethyl alcohol and will be oxidized rather than stored. But that leaves 57% of the calories that come from other sources, which could be stored (still keeping in mind that there is no net fat storage while you're in a caloric deficit). And once you get into beer/wine or mixed drinks, you're throwing a significant amount of calories into the mix which aren't alcohol and won't be immediately oxidized. Creamy coffee drinks and fruity umbrella drinks can have a ton of sugar/fat calories in addition to the alcohol content.
So the bottom line is that if your diet consisted entirely of Everclear liquor (which is 99% alcohol/198 proof), you could pretty safely say that even if you're in a caloric surplus there isn't going to be any fat storage because you're going to oxidize all those alcohol calories. But that's one of those ridiculous extremist hypothetical scenarios because you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what would happen to you if your diet consisted of 1200-1800 calories of Everclear liquor on a daily basis.11 -
That's definitely false. Some people who do beach body and call themselves coaches that really don't have a clue should start looking into nutrition and fitness more. Or they should start a course for people to learn. Others I'm sure have great knowledge and use the program as something added into their lifestyle.
I think it's a the whole idea of what people believe work for their bodies. I personally like smoothies and shakes. I find a lot of the ones out there have too much other added stuff in them so I usually make a shake with hemp powder, chia seed powder or a vegan shake (because I can't do dairy). A lot of them have stevia in them and I can't stand that taste! We don't need to have mega amounts of protein. Our bodies know how much we need.
I tried shakeology once and know people who drink it daily. I didn't like it at all. It has stevia and I'm assuming that's why I didn't like it. It's outrageously expensive, which is ridiculous. I'm sure it's beneficial for some people because the workouts are great. I mean I like them, but I love a ton of DVD programs that I get off Amazon too and YouTube.
I would never want to offend anyone who swears by shakeology, but I feel like they are all "drinking the coolade"
Any healthy protein shake you have replacing a meal or having as a snack while following any program will work I'm sure. It's all about eating healthy and keeping active.
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