Arms
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Yeh, science is the holy grail, right! Except "science" changes its mind every generation. And every generation seems to know less and less about training and rely more and more on diet "magic". Toning may be an old fashioned word but it just means lightly working the muscle to retain a little functional strength, and muscle firmness, with a minimum amount of muscle building. I know firming muscle means muscle gain but If her arms are big, she dosnt want them at all noticeably bigger. My advice, get your jogging shoes on, run/walk, work hard in the gym, on areas that will help balance out your arms in relation to the rest of the body and get advice from people who have walked the walk instead of just talking it.
So, instead the OP should ignore all the research from the last 40 years and take advice from a random person on the internet who appears to be stuck in a time warp and espouses thing totally disproved like set point and somatypes?16 -
Yeh, science is the holy grail, right! Except "science" changes its mind every generation. And every generation seems to know less and less about training and rely more and more on diet "magic". Toning may be an old fashioned word but it just means lightly working the muscle to retain a little functional strength, and muscle firmness, with a minimum amount of muscle building. I know firming muscle means muscle gain but If her arms are big, she dosnt want them at all noticeably bigger. My advice, get your jogging shoes on, run/walk, work hard in the gym, on areas that will help balance out your arms in relation to the rest of the body and get advice from people who have walked the walk instead of just talking it.
So, instead the OP should ignore all the research from the last 40 years and take advice from a random person on the internet who appears to be stuck in a time warp and espouses thing totally disproved like set point and somatypes?
And if I go to the doctor for an infected cut, I should ask for leeches instead of antibiotics?6 -
Oh yeh, your'e so much better now than the dark ages, 70's or 80's crowd. You know it all (you think), and it shows by your use of demeaning language. Hows it working for y'all, knowing "how things work".
It is working pretty well. Bodybuilders are larger than ever (even the naturals). Powerlifters are moving more weight than ever. Sports records are broken every day. People are living longer than ever before (despite the opioid epidemic influencing the most recent US stats). Technological progress is soaring. You should try some sciencing, it is neat. It is not about demeaning language, it is just about correcting misinformation so people can make the progress they are hoping to achieve.12 -
If only I could get bulky arms by lifting heavy weights. I have puny little girl arms, I'd love to get some muscle on there.5
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"Lifting in a caloric deficit is not going to magically give her crazy biceps, it is simply going to preserve any muscle that she already has while losing weight".
Hey, if she gains weight on her arms easily, as Im sure she does (hereditary - dads side- probably a good % of muscle), and not knowing how much of her arm mass is muscle, right!, then she may gain muscle easily on her arms. Some people are genetically enabled to do that. What do you want her to do, train arms like everything else?? What do you suggest she does apart from lift "in a calorific deficit" ??
Yeah, that is exactly what I would want her to do: train her arms just like everything else. Why should she exclude her arms? I'm fairly certain she uses them everyday, and preserving muscle while losing fat is a good idea. It is up to OP what she wants to do besides lift in a caloric deficit. Any form of exercise is a good idea in my opinion as long as it is safe and she enjoys it. If she wants her arms to get smaller, then she needs to focus on losing fat, and exercise and a caloric deficit will help her do that.
I just have to say, I think a lot of the reason that people on this site get frustrated easily and believe this process is harder than it should be, is because they get such ignorant advice like the type that you have been giving. You think you know better than people who have been highly successful in reaching all sorts of fitness goals, and you blatantly ignore the science behind it all. You say science changes its mind every generation and that statement again just shows your ignorance. Science doesn't change, opinions do. You are giving advice based on your opinions which directly contradict proven science, and even when presented with facts you stand more resolute in your crazy beliefs. You are not helping anyone. If you want to believe what you do, then that is fine, but don't be spouting off your nonsense to others who are actually looking for real help because you are just causing them more confusion.
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I've been reading this thread because it's in my genetics to get big arms.. and I don't want them..My dad's were like 🌲 trunks when he was young. And I just wanna say good for grambo54 for sticking up for himself and not disappearing with so many attacking his advice. I see nothing wrong with op training arms twice a week with a low weight which is where she'd start anyway and at the same time training everything else and meeting her calorie goals. Maybe I missed something or read too fast...I dunno16
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Spoilascanb wrote: »I have just gotten into loosing weight, eating healthy, and exercising. However, my arms are extremely large. They don’t seem to go with my body. My arms are hereditary. Everyone on my dad’s side have extremely large arms.
I have heard I needed to do extreme weight lifting, but as large as my arms are I have no strength in them. I can barely do the minimum.
Help!
Hey OP, sorry your thread got hijacked :flowerforyou:
Since you know they are hereditary, unfortunately what that probably means is they will be one of the last things to go. Sorry. So the most important advice would be to log accurately and consistently, hit your calorie goal, and be patient as the fat will come off in whatever order your body is programmed to lose it. Frustrating, but it is what it is.
Meanwhile, full body strength training will help preserve the muscle you have as you lose fat. Plus, it can make you stronger without actually building muscle. You just want to do some program that is "progressive" - start with as much as you can do, then as it gets easier either lift heavier or do a more difficult move. Here is a link to recommended strength training programs:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
When I first started strength training, my arms were embarrassingly weak, and took longer to progress. Just stick with it and you will get stronger, and eventually those arms will improve visually as well. Good luck!8 -
flowerhorsey wrote: »I've been reading this thread because it's in my genetics to get big arms.. and I don't want them..My dad's were like 🌲 trunks when he was young. And I just wanna say good for grambo54 for sticking up for himself and not disappearing with so many attacking his advice. I see nothing wrong with op training arms twice a week with a low weight which is where she'd start anyway and at the same time training everything else and meeting her calorie goals. Maybe I missed something or read too fast...I dunno
Yes, you clearly missed something. Regardless of the weight that OP lifts, her arms are not going to magically get bigger while lifting in a calorie deficit. She needs to focus on losing fat, and lifting is simply going to preserve muscle as she does that.10 -
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Carlos_421 wrote: »
Ditto.
Due to the things said in this thread, I feel the need to say that my profile pic is sarcastic. Lift all the heavy things.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Ditto.
Due to the things said in this thread, I feel the need to say that my profile pic is sarcastic. Lift all the heavy things.
Your socks are awesome-sauce.5 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Ditto.
Due to the things said in this thread, I feel the need to say that my profile pic is sarcastic. Lift all the heavy things.
Your socks are awesome-sauce.
They have skulls and cross-bones on the back, too!6 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Ditto.
Due to the things said in this thread, I feel the need to say that my profile pic is sarcastic. Lift all the heavy things.
OMG! How did you do that without getting suppa bulky???
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Ditto.
Due to the things said in this thread, I feel the need to say that my profile pic is sarcastic. Lift all the heavy things.
OMG! How did you do that without getting suppa bulky???
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Ditto.
Due to the things said in this thread, I feel the need to say that my profile pic is sarcastic. Lift all the heavy things.
OMG! How did you do that without getting suppa bulky???
It's the pink hand weights, silly.4 -
To those who says things are working "pretty well" or something like that. Well GREAT! Thats why I asked. If what you do works for you, keep doing it. But dont call what I say "garbage" because what I do and have done, worked exceptionally well for me and others Ive trained. I have learnt over the years what I believe works. I was not genetically blessed to build muscle. I had zero good body parts to begin with and extremely weak legs, arms and chest. I was called "chicken legs for several years. But built a contest winning physique in 2 1/2 years. Argue with what I say all you want but you cant argue with that! Good luck to the OP. Find someone whos done what you want to do, and get their advice.16
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snickerscharlie wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Ditto.
Due to the things said in this thread, I feel the need to say that my profile pic is sarcastic. Lift all the heavy things.
OMG! How did you do that without getting suppa bulky???
It's the pink hand weights, silly.
That's gotta be it!1 -
To those who says things are working "pretty well" or something like that. Well GREAT! Thats why I asked. If what you do works for you, keep doing it. But dont call what I say "garbage" because what I do and have done, worked exceptionally well for me and others Ive trained. I have learnt over the years what I believe works. I was not genetically blessed to build muscle. I had zero good body parts to begin with and extremely weak legs, arms and chest. I was called "chicken legs for several years. But built a contest winning physique in 2 1/2 years. Argue with what I say all you want but you cant argue with that! Good luck to the OP. Find someone whos done what you want to do, and get their advice.
People like Brad Schoenfeld, Layne Norton, and Eric Helms are also successful competitors and have trained many people. They also happen to have relevant PhDs, know their facts, and can back up their arguments with appropriate peer-reviewed research. If you are going to disagree with all of them, then you should develop a better argument than just anecdotal results. You should at least demonstrate a rationale of why your beliefs may extend to a general audience beyond what you and a handful of others may have experienced sans any supporting data.9 -
To those who says things are working "pretty well" or something like that. Well GREAT! Thats why I asked. If what you do works for you, keep doing it. But dont call what I say "garbage" because what I do and have done, worked exceptionally well for me and others Ive trained. I have learnt over the years what I believe works. I was not genetically blessed to build muscle. I had zero good body parts to begin with and extremely weak legs, arms and chest. I was called "chicken legs for several years. But built a contest winning physique in 2 1/2 years. Argue with what I say all you want but you cant argue with that! Good luck to the OP. Find someone whos done what you want to do, and get their advice.
People like Brad Schoenfeld, Layne Norton, and Eric Helms are also successful competitors and have trained many people. They also happen to have relevant PhDs, know their facts, and can back up their arguments with appropriate peer-reviewed research. If you are going to disagree with all of them, then you should develop a better argument than just anecdotal results. You should at least demonstrate a rationale of why your beliefs may extend to a general audience beyond what you and a handful of others may have experienced sans any supporting data.
Lol! Ya think?
Yeah, personally, I'll listen to the guys who have done it, gotten the results and have the education over a rando on the interwebs any day. Call me crazy!2 -
Gotta say it: It wouldn't be an MFP women's weight training thread without a group of guys getting in a dispute about what the women ought to do. (Expertise knows no genger, but neither does irony.)
OP, running a reasonable, well-designed weight training program while you lose weight is a good idea. You can pick one with a rep range that fits your goals best, for strength or endurance vs. gaining mass. Any good program will have you start at a weight that's achievable for you, and progress gradually as you're able. You'll for sure get stronger, if you stick with it. Learn about programs here:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you
As a woman you're unlikely to add bulk quickly under any circumstances, so you can always back off and maintain when you get strong enough (whatever that is to you) or if you feel like you're slowly starting to add more mass than you prefer.
However, for weight loss you'll be in a calorie deficit, and that will further limit any chances of gaining mass (intentionally or by accident
), so that really shouldn't be a big worry for quite some time. You might want to be aware that you can retain a little water weight in muscles you've worked hard (for muscle repair), so you could temporarily get a little bit of an extra fullness of appearance, but it's neither fat nor muscle, so not worth worrying about. As time passes and fat loss continues, it will reduce.
I predict that even if your arms are naturally a little meatier, genetically speaking, you'll find that they slim down as you lose overall body fat, though they may be among the last areas to lose much fat if that's how your personal genetic program works.
This will be a bit of a slow process on both strength and weight loss fronts, but I'll predict you can get gratifyingly stronger, and achieve an appearance you can be proud of.
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