when does trolling become bullying and...

myofibril
myofibril Posts: 4,489 Member
edited October 2024 in Chit-Chat
harrassment?

I don't know if any of you have been following the story of Jessi Slaughter. In short, she was an 11 year old girl who got embroiled in an internet flame war leading to her being harrassed online and in real life. Matters escalated when her father became involved making various legal threats online. In the last few days it has been reported that her father has died of a massive heart attack. Presumably this is wholly or partially related to his daughter's treatment.

Full story is here: http://ohinternet.com/Jessi_Slaughter

How do you deal with trolls? Do you rise above it or engage them? Have you ever felt intimidated, bullied or victimised by the actions of a group online? Do you think trolling is just harmless fun? Does it bother you when a group of people who clearly know each other flood a thread because one of their gang has been slighted....

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  • angelicdisgrace
    angelicdisgrace Posts: 2,071 Member
    It is sad when it's taken to that level. Many individuals now a days take online harassment and insults more serious than in real life. It depends on the individuals emotional strength. For me if I get harassed I simply click the off button but for others it's more serious. All in all it is very sad and upsetting.
  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,489 Member
    I think that anonymity and the ease in which people can get sucked into "herd" mentality online can bring out the worst in people.

    If people online treated others as they do in real life then stories like this then there would be less chance of this type reoccuring.
  • thegymbunny
    thegymbunny Posts: 602 Member
    I think that anonymity and the ease in which people can get sucked into "herd" mentality online can bring out the worst in people.

    If people online treated others as they do in real life then stories like this then there would be less chance of this type reoccuring.

    I totally agree.

    People take it to an insane and hurtful level. I've seen it happen and I'll never understand. lol I could tell some horror stories.
  • Scorpiomom222
    Scorpiomom222 Posts: 1,462 Member
    I've been a victim of harrassment online, and it usually helps to rise above it. The online bullying even came to an extent of women referring to me as "as bad as Casey Anthony". It's hard to ignore when people hate you, but famous people do it all the time so why NOT rise above it?
  • FearAnLoathing
    FearAnLoathing Posts: 4,852 Member
    think it all comes down to people being WAY to sensitive now days,if we stopped placeing so much of our self worth in what others think of us I dont think there would be as many problems.Im trying to teach my kids this outlook. I really dont care what anyone thinks or says about me on line or in real life.
    I also act no diffrently online than I do in real life
  • millerll
    millerll Posts: 873 Member
    I'm sorry he died, but this whole family was trashy. His daughter's being bullied online? Just call the parents of the bulliers and discuss it like mature adults. And take her off-line until the dust settles. Instead, he goes online and posts some ridiculous profanity-laced rant making himself and his daughter look like trailer park rejects. Nice. I just with this whole family would shut up and go away.
  • LeeKetty1176
    LeeKetty1176 Posts: 881 Member
    hmmm hard to say.

    I think im right in says a number of children (young teens) who lived in a small town in South Wales, have taken their lives through online bullying etc.....

    I guess its a sad fact of life that there will always be people out there that will not see things in the same way. The trouble being that online "lives" can feel very real and online bully can be relentless, and its open to the world to see.

    I say ignore if you can for as long as you can............. then................ if all else fails then its time to fight fire with fire
  • Qarol
    Qarol Posts: 6,159 Member
    Bullying has always been around. The internet was not around when I grew up, and I got some serious bullying. So much that I would just like to blot out junior high altogether. I almost would have preferred internet bullying b/c at least that doesn't hurt physically. Where someone ever gets the idea that they're entitled to put their hands on another is beyond me. You don't like me, that's fine. Call me names all you want. But don't hit me. And telling a teacher? Please! Like that helps.
  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,489 Member
    I also act no diffrently online than I do in real life

    Which I think is a healthy mindset.

    However, some people hide behind a manufactured personality online. If they do not feel their will be any real consequences to their actions, if they feel invulnerable it makes them behave in a way they simply would not do in real life.

    Yes, some people are overly sensitive and need to toughen up. However, is it always the victim's fault?
  • ShrinkingNinja
    ShrinkingNinja Posts: 460 Member
    think it all comes down to people being WAY to sensitive now days,if we stopped placeing so much of our self worth in what others think of us I dont think there would be as many problems.Im trying to teach my kids this outlook. I really dont care what anyone thinks or says about me on line or in real life.
    I also act no diffrently online than I do in real life

    I think it is a combo of both. Some are too sensitive and some are not sensitive enough.
  • MrBrown72
    MrBrown72 Posts: 407 Member
    I think in general Trolling is harmless. Yes, someone is deliberately trying to get a rise out of you. It is however up to you weather you let them or not.

    There are times, even here, that the only helpful response is a brisk smack to the back of the head. Luckily it can only be done verbally.
  • iAMaPhoenix
    iAMaPhoenix Posts: 1,038 Member
    It is called an off button...
  • FearAnLoathing
    FearAnLoathing Posts: 4,852 Member
    I also act no diffrently online than I do in real life

    Which I think is a healthy mindset.

    However, some people hide behind a manufactured personality online. If they do not feel their will be any real consequences to their actions, if they feel invulnerable it makes them behave in a way they simply would not do in real life.

    Yes, some people are overly sensitive and need to toughen up. However, is it always the victim's fault?


    I never said it was the victims fault,but honestly if people stopped caring so much what everyone thinks of them we wouldnt have these problems.My teenage son has had a few bully come after him in real life and online and he laughed them off so it lost steam pretty fast and they moved on.I feel that we give people far to much power over us....someone calls me ugly and fat..um ok so what? They people in my life that truely matter would never say such things about me.I stick by my opinion that words only have the power over us we give them.
  • _beachgirl_
    _beachgirl_ Posts: 3,865 Member
    I think this is a serious issue and only seems to be getting worse.

    Believe it or not, at least in my school system, bullying in the schools has decreased dramatically because they are taking it to the internet, where it is much, much easier to get away with it.

    I think a big part of the issue of cyberbullying is the pack mentality, bullying at school tends to be a one-on-one issue, whereas on the internet they can easily get their friends involved.

    In my system, students can be punished for offenses occuring outside of the school, during the weekends, school breaks, even summer vacations if it is "distracting to the educational process." Luckily, cyberbullying falls under that.

    We have a cyberbullying program every year for students and parents. The number one rule the police officer tells everyone is, "Do not allow children to have a computer in their room. Computers should be in the room with the most traffic."

    I discuss this issues often with my kids, they know that if they are on the computer, I will be glancing at where they are, and that if they leave anything open like Facebook, I will read it!
  • otr12
    otr12 Posts: 632 Member
    How do you deal with trolls? Depends on if I can come up with something clever to say.

    Do you rise above it or engage them? What does that mean "rise above it"? Do you mean ignore it? If I'm not entertained I'll ignore it.

    Have you ever felt intimidated, bullied or victimised by the actions of a group online? No. I have never felt intimidated, bullied or victimized BY A COLLECTION OF LETTERS no matter how they are arranged.

    Do you think trolling is just harmless fun? Sometimes,.... but usually it's just stupid.

    Does it bother you when a group of people who clearly know each other flood a thread because one of their gang has been slighted.... I admit I'm a little jealous. Must feel awesome having that kind of backup.
  • ShrinkingNinja
    ShrinkingNinja Posts: 460 Member
    This was a classic case of the parents not monitoring their childs activities though. Sad all the way around.
  • FearAnLoathing
    FearAnLoathing Posts: 4,852 Member
    This was a classic case of the parents not monitoring their childs activities though. Sad all the way around.

    Yeah the videos that 11 year old was posting were crazy,talking about blowing peoples brains out.Seriously my kids would never get away with posting crap like that
  • DizzieLittleLifter
    DizzieLittleLifter Posts: 1,010 Member
    harrassment?

    I don't know if any of you have been following the story of Jessi Slaughter. In short, she was an 11 year old girl who got embroiled in an internet flame war leading to her being harrassed online and in real life. Matters escalated when her father became involved making various legal threats online. In the last few days it has been reported that her father has died of a massive heart attack. Presumably this is wholly or partially related to his daughter's treatment.

    Full story is here: http://ohinternet.com/Jessi_Slaughter

    How do you deal with trolls? Do you rise above it or engage them? Have you ever felt intimidated, bullied or victimised by the actions of a group online? Do you think trolling is just harmless fun? Does it bother you when a group of people who clearly know each other flood a thread because one of their gang has been slighted....
    This is a hot issue for me :)
    If my child were being bullied online, the internet would go. Period. As far as IRL bullies, I was bullied in my early teens and I can tell you I would do everything and I mean EVERYTHING in my power. Including going the school board, parents, and police and public embarrassment of the bully. I hate that our society pushes to removes the victim from the system and not the bully. The bully should be the outcast.


    I wanted to add that I feel terrible for the family involved. Many prayers for them.
  • fteale
    fteale Posts: 5,310 Member
    I have encountered a few trolls, and a few more really nasty pieces of work online. My policy is once someone gets personal to the point where it impinges on real life, I leave the forum. I once had someone follow me around several forums and report me to the NCPCC to get at me, so I don't take chances these days.
  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,489 Member
    This was a classic case of the parents not monitoring their childs activities though. Sad all the way around.

    Yep.

    The worrying thing though is given the number of ways available to access the internet keeping track of your kids activities can be a tricky business. Sure you can monitor them when they are at home but what about at school where they have online access? Internet cafes? Through a smartphone. At friends' houses...

    "Sticks and stones may break my bones but name will never hurt me..." True for some but not for others. It IS possible to mentally abuse someone without ever laying a finger on them. It is just as destructive as physical abuse in some cases. There have been a number of cases where women have simply snapped after years of mental and emotional abuse and hurt their husbands. Where they justified in doing so?
  • TK421NotAtPost
    TK421NotAtPost Posts: 512 Member
    I think that anonymity and the ease in which people can get sucked into "herd" mentality online can bring out the worst in people.

    If people online treated others as they do in real life then stories like this then there would be less chance of this type reoccuring.

    It's a similar dynamic to the way people behave behind the wheel of a car. Normally polite individuals turn into monsters behind the wheel because of the perceived anonymity afforded to them by being barricaded behind steel and glass.

    Internet rage, road rage... it's the phenomenon that exposes one's true maturity level.

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  • FearAnLoathing
    FearAnLoathing Posts: 4,852 Member
    This was a classic case of the parents not monitoring their childs activities though. Sad all the way around.

    Yep.

    The worrying thing though is given the number of ways available to access the internet keeping track of your kids activities can be a tricky business. Sure you can monitor them when they are at home but what about at school where they have online access? Internet cafes? Through a smartphone. At friends' houses...

    "Sticks and stones may break my bones but name will never hurt me..." True for some but not for others. It IS possible to mentally abuse someone without ever laying a finger on them. It is just as destructive as physical abuse in some cases. There have been a number of cases where women have simply snapped after years of mental and emotional abuse and hurt their husbands. Where they justified in doing so?

    No at all justified,you always have the option to leave if someone is treating you bad.I would never keep someone in my life that was abusive to me in anyway.Unless a woman hurts her husband in self defense it is not at all justified
  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,489 Member
    you always have the option to leave if someone is treating you bad.I would never keep someone in my life that was abusive to me in anyway.

    True, but physically leaving an abusive situation isn't quite as simple as it sounds. What if after years of abuse, your confidence has been reduced to such a low level that you are in a mental state of abject fear. "He will find me and hurt me" "He's always controlled the money, I wouldn't know how to look after myself" "He will do something to our kids if I leave" "He says he loves me, maybe he will change."

    Saying just up and leave is trite. I do agree that violence isn't justified. I sure can understand why some women do it though...
  • FearAnLoathing
    FearAnLoathing Posts: 4,852 Member
    you always have the option to leave if someone is treating you bad.I would never keep someone in my life that was abusive to me in anyway.

    True, but physically leaving an abusive situation isn't quite as simple as it sounds. What if after years of abuse, your confidence has been reduced to such a low level that you are in a mental state of abject fear. "He will find me and hurt me" "He's always controlled the money, I wouldn't know how to look after myself" "He will do something to our kids if I leave" "He says he loves me, maybe he will change."

    Saying just up and leave is trite. I do agree that violence isn't justified. I sure can understand why some women do it though...

    How did we go from cyber bulling to abusive relationships which are a whole diffrent thing entierly?
  • myofibril
    myofibril Posts: 4,489 Member
    How did we go from cyber bulling to abusive relationships which are a whole diffrent thing entierly?

    Lol - yeah, how did that happen? Anyway this topic is beginning to depress me. That's just not right for a Friday....
  • FearAnLoathing
    FearAnLoathing Posts: 4,852 Member
    How did we go from cyber bulling to abusive relationships which are a whole diffrent thing entierly?

    Lol - yeah, how did that happen? Anyway this topic is beginning to depress me. That's just not right for a Friday....


    it was an interesting topic thanks for posting it. I need to get off my butt and go to the gym though lol
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