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Keto diet = good or bad
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Keto_Vampire wrote: »soufauxgirl wrote: »Some of the posts here read like templates
My thoughts exactly on this topic of labeling & simplifying keto as "good" or "bad"
When I see these "good or bad" things, I always think, for what? I used to post that question but no one ever answered it....5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@wmd1979 calories have never been the 'root' cause of obesity nor will become the root cause. No calories have ever jumped into my mouth. They are not like evil and we have to do battle with them daily.
The question is more like why do I overate calories. What about the things in our gut that is telling our brain what they want us to eat. Keto has been breaking cravings for the macros that are bad for our health longer than any of us have been alive.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5496172/
"....By revisiting the causes for obesity, especially those stated by the leading health organisms, this article makes the case to view obesity as a consequence of disturbing the auto-regulation of hormones related to fat production and accumulation by diet composition, in particular that produced by industrialized processed food...."
What macros are bad for health?
The ones that make you health worse
This is why ones own n=1 results are mission critical.
and those are...?
That's going to be highly individual and based on an individual's health. Someone with IR may do better with low carbs. Someone with autoimmune diseases or arthritis may find their symptoms are improved with very few carbs and worsened with more carbs. The n=1 is the key. What works for Gale, or me, may not work for you.
True but Gale said, "Keto has been breaking cravings for the macros that are bad for our health longer than any of us have been alive..."
He turned an "I" into an "our"...
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charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
The diet she described was absolutely not Keto. She said she eats a lot of vegetables, tries to avoid sugar, and targets more protein than fat. That is not the Keto diet.
The Keto diet is:
1. A fixed, extremely low carb amount, regardless of source.
2. Moderate protein intake
3. High fat intake
If someone is not doing that, then it is not the Keto diet.
These plates have 20g of carbs on them. A keto'er could eat one, two or even three of these plates a day and stay in ketosis. Or none, like me.
And I'm a few years into this woe.
I actually question thr accuracy of those pictures. Mainly because i regularly eat peppers, which average 150-200g which is around 7-10g of carb. If you add in tomatoes and a zucchini, (my average zucchini was 9-12oz at 12g) it would probably be over 20g. Or did they mean net carbs? But even then i would question it.
Maybe i need to do an experiment to see the accuracy and take a picture. I suspect its a bit deceiving.
Good point. I've never checked it out. They do look like small plates...janejellyroll wrote: »charlene77 wrote: »My husband just lost 70 pounds on Keto! He was supposed to start blood pressure medication in March. His blood pressure is down to 125/70.
He walked in the doctors office today and the doctor was thrilled as soon as he saw him. When he told him what he did, he said he is excited to see his blood work as he thinks his numbers are going to be good.
I’ve started Keto. I am down 31 pounds.
Don’t listen to everyone that says Keto is all about eating bacon.
I eat a ton of veggies everyday. I am actually aiming for higher protein than fat, unlike like many Keto people. I just stay away from sugar and don’t stress about it.
Maybe I should be considered low carb instead of Keto, since I am not into fatty meats.
You both lost weight not because of Keto. You simply lost weight due to calorie deficit. Its that simple.
So predictable, when someone has success with a keto WOE a flurry of following post will claim keto had nothing to do with it. For the record keto has nothing to do with my 22 pound loss and it was effortless with no calorie counting.
The diet she described was absolutely not Keto. She said she eats a lot of vegetables, tries to avoid sugar, and targets more protein than fat. That is not the Keto diet.
The Keto diet is:
1. A fixed, extremely low carb amount, regardless of source.
2. Moderate protein intake
3. High fat intake
If someone is not doing that, then it is not the Keto diet.
These plates have 20g of carbs on them. A keto'er could eat one, two or even three of these plates a day and stay in ketosis. Or none, like me. And I'm a few years into this woe.
Nobody who truly eats a lot of vegetables would consider one of those plates to be "lots of vegetables." That's like the salad that someone who actually eats a lot of vegetables eats before eating the rest of their vegetables.
Not knocking keto, but it's not a lifestyle that is compatible with eating lots of vegetables.
If someone is coming from a diet pattern of not really eating vegetables, getting 20 grams of carbohydrates from vegetables may seem like a lot of vegetables. That's what I suspect is happening when keto people self-describe as eating a lot of vegetables. But I added 20 grams of carbohydrates from vegetables to just my dinner last night on a whim (cabbage and cucumber salad) and that was in addition to the carrots, onion, tomato, and lettuce I was already eating so I am not buying that keto people are truly eating vegetables in abundance.
That could be.
I used to try to follow the food pyramid. It was a high carb diet but mainly because I tried to get my 6-12 servings of grain a day. Moderate or high carb diets that are not heavy in grains, would have a LOT more veggies.
A higher carb person could eat all four plates in a day and (even if the carb totals are too low) be barely over 100g-150g.2 -
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10703146/keto-how-do-we-feel-about-it/p1
The OP in this thread is doing Keto and not losing any weight... she doesn't need to stop Keto if she likes eating that way, but should probably start counting calories since her goal is to drop some pounds. 14 -
@dmcnur It is good to hear the medical community is once again getting behind and in some cases even prescribing it to resolve/prevent health issues.
While I have been in at state of nutritional ketosis for four years now I never did it to lose weight because I gave up the goal of weight loss at the age of 63 after 40 years of nothing but failure.
The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again. The last three years I have maintained a 50 pound weight loss without even thinking about how many calories I am eating daily.
Keto was not invented as a weight loss took per se but it evolved as an medical Rx for serious health issues. If someone wants to use Keto to lose weight that is fine by me but the side effects may do so much more to improve their quality of life as one can read below.
https://healthline.com/nutrition/15-conditions-benefit-ketogenic-diet20 -
It concerns me that the rate of cheating is pretty high, and that has to play a part in the mental aspect of fitness... but I have friends that swear by it. Though, they aren't working out, which worries me.1
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I am personally a bigger fan of paleo with seasonal bursts of ketogenic influences. By that I mean eat clean healthy foods to be nutritionally full and when you are ready to drop a few lbs then go to ketosis but make sure you cycle out of ketosis In a healthy way. ketosis should be done in temporary bouts or cycles.
Ketogenic influences to me means low carb vegetables (temporaily avoiding starchy veggies) and eating high quality protein. I don't agree with eating dairy or cheese as a primary food group for keto because most people have issues with digesting dairy.
Eat clean!
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Weight loss = CI<CO.
How one choose to facilitate that is up to the user.
Period, end of story...17 -
I am personally a bigger fan of paleo with seasonal bursts of ketogenic influences. By that I mean eat clean healthy foods to be nutritionally full and when you are ready to drop a few lbs then go to ketosis but make sure you cycle out of ketosis In a healthy way. ketosis should be done in temporary bouts or cycles.
Ketogenic influences to me means low carb vegetables (temporaily avoiding starchy veggies) and eating high quality protein. I don't agree with eating dairy or cheese as a primary food group for keto because most people have issues with digesting dairy.
Eat clean!
Eating clean means as many things as the number of people that use the term. There is no universally accepted definition of "eat clean". And it's not really necessary. https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10348650/cico-still-skeptical-come-inside-for-a-meticulous-log-that-proves-it/p110 -
ketosis should be done in temporary bouts or cycles.
Why?I don't agree with eating dairy or cheese as a primary food group for keto because most people have issues with digesting dairy.
I've never seen any evidence suggesting that "most people" with the genetics for lactase persistence (high 90s for people from Northern and Western Europe, among other places) have trouble digesting dairy (especially common sources such as yogurt or cheese). I don't think eating loads of cheese is really ideal (although I eat a little most days), but it has nothing to do with digestion.Eat clean!
I focus on eating a nutritionally-sound diet especially vegetables and protein and good sources of fat. I also like a well-rounded diet that doesn't cut out foods for no reason relevant to me (I think keto can be a good choice for other people, and tend to prefer slightly low carb when losing and moderate when not). I don't particularly find it beneficial for me to focus on cutting out foods 100% vs. just filling up my diet with nutrient dense foods and adding in other foods as they fit in (whether this means cheese or skin on the chicken or an occasional fish and chips or some delicious curry at an Indian place or Ethiopian food on occasion, or even, gasp, occasional ice cream or some pie and mashed potatoes with lots of butter at Thanksgiving). I don't think my diet is nutritionally-worse or worse for my health than someone who cuts out specific foods and claims to "eat clean." IMO, "clean" doesn't really have any sensible meaning when it comes to food -- it's essentially a purity concept that doesn't hold up to examination.
Anyway, I did paleo for a little while in 2014 and liked it okay (I cook, so it was easy), but ultimately the logic for cutting out super healthy foods like beans and lentils, avoiding meat alternatives like yogurt, tofu/tempeh, and beans and lentils, again, and the anti potato stuff (which seems no longer to be necessarily the rule) made no sense to me, nor did the idea that I should avoid oats and rice and other grains or dairy as a whole, when neither gives me issues and I don't tend to overeat either (I used to overeat cheese back in the day, but that's been controlled).
Eat a good diet that works for you!9 -
I wouldn't say its good or bad, but it is unneccessary for the majority of the population.4
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GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...13 -
My friends husband eats a keto diet. She says it makes him feel better from some health condition of his (I forgot what that was lol). For weight loss, eating keto is not necessary and more of a preference.1
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GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...
Why do you think that?11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...
Why do you think that?
Zebra14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...
Why do you think that?
In my experience, that is typically how it happens. Most people underestimate the profound health benefits losing weight in and of itself can have.
Now, back to my question for you. How did you measure which came first?7 -
I agree that keto is just Adkins relabeled. I’m a fan of low carb ,high protein and fat . How we choose our macro numbers is completely up to each individual.
I have to say that with the help of fat bombs I have lost more weight then I ever have and I feel satisfied and even full most of the time 🌸
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...
Why do you think that?
In my experience, that is typically how it happens. Most people underestimate the profound health benefits losing weight in and of itself can have.
Now, back to my question for you. How did you measure which came first?
Interesting. Most people I know do understand the profound health benefits losing weight in and of itself can have and is why they do it.
As to your chicken/egg question I have answered it many times over the past 4 years.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »The funny part is while I was doing Keto to slow down my rate of premature death (which is working out nicely) weight loss did occur after my health started to become more normal again.
How did you measure which came first? Personally, I think the weight loss improved your health, and not the other way around...
Why do you think that?
In my experience, that is typically how it happens. Most people underestimate the profound health benefits losing weight in and of itself can have.
Now, back to my question for you. How did you measure which came first?
Interesting. Most people I know do understand the profound health benefits losing weight in and of itself can have and is why they do it.
As to your chicken/egg question I have answered it many times over the past 4 years.
I waited one week for that?
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