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I'm within the obese range (I weigh 200lbs) and I disagree with the fat acceptance movement!
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misshoneyz2dab
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The fat acceptance movement encourages unhealthy lifestyles. When Tess Holliday reaches her 40s, she is going to suffer from a lot of health problems and find it very very hard to lose weight because of reduced bone density.
If you criticise obese social media celebrities, you get labelled as a 'bully' or a 'fat shamer'. You can't be fit and obese at the same time.
I weigh 200lbs and want to lose weight. I do find it a bit hard to exercise because I haven't got good knees. I know that losing weight will solve the problem.
If you criticise obese social media celebrities, you get labelled as a 'bully' or a 'fat shamer'. You can't be fit and obese at the same time.
I weigh 200lbs and want to lose weight. I do find it a bit hard to exercise because I haven't got good knees. I know that losing weight will solve the problem.
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Okay, then.
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ummmm congratulations?7
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I think a lot of it comes down to loving yourself as you are. I started out at 205 pounds (so obese), successfully lost 55 pounds and subsequently gained back 15. Through all my highs and lows, let me tell you the most important piece of wisdom I can impart upon you is to love yourself throughout the process.14
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Why do you feel the need to critisize ANYONE at all?34
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There's a 73 page discussion on this topic on the first page in the Debate section, if you are interested:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10376680/fat-acceptance-movement/p1
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Why put someone down just to bring yourself up?18
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misshoneyz2dab wrote: »The fat acceptance movement encourages unhealthy lifestyles. When Tess Holliday reaches her 40s, she is going to suffer from a lot of health problems and find it very very hard to lose weight because of reduced bone density.
If you criticise obese social media celebrities, you get labelled as a 'bully' or a 'fat shamer'. You can't be fit and obese at the same time.
I weigh 200lbs and want to lose weight. I do find it a bit hard to exercise because I haven't got good knees. I know that losing weight will solve the problem.
Just curious, why do you say she will suffer health problems in her 40’s? She should be admired for being happy with herself, and for being a positive roll model for others. Acceptance and tolerance are good things.
I’m in my 60’s and have been overweight most of my adult life. I’m on no medications, no hospitalizations and have not had anything more serious than a cold in all those years.
BTW, I had no problem losing 140 pounds in my 60’s either.
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misshoneyz2dab wrote: »The fat acceptance movement encourages unhealthy lifestyles. When Tess Holliday reaches her 40s, she is going to suffer from a lot of health problems and find it very very hard to lose weight because of reduced bone density.
If you criticise obese social media celebrities, you get labelled as a 'bully' or a 'fat shamer'. You can't be fit and obese at the same time.
I weigh 200lbs and want to lose weight. I do find it a bit hard to exercise because I haven't got good knees. I know that losing weight will solve the problem.
I think I hear where you're coming from: A strong impulse to improve yourself, and a nearly religious zeal for that, at the moment, that makes you want to spiritedly reject all counterforces. That's good.
In the long run, I think you'll be better served by ignoring silly pop culture nonsense, and focusing on what you can actually personally control or influence, which is . . . yourself, and your own behavior, mostly.
Real weight loss is more about diligent persistence than revolutionary zeal, IMO.
Also, you're wrong on the facts: It is possible to be obese and fit. I was obese and reasonably fit (competing athletically even, mostly middle of the pack results, the occasional medal) for about a decade. I just wasn't healthy. Since losing weight 3+ years ago, down to a healthy weight, I'm no more fit than I was before (resting heart rate, PR pace, strength, etc.). But I'm much healthier.
(I still have bad knees, though: Depending on what's wrong with yours, there are exercises that can work. I've found via experimentation that impact and torque bother mine. I row (boats, machines) and cycle (spin classes, bike). Things like water aerobics or swimming are good candidates (but I don't like to swim), as is weight training (though you might need to avoid certain specific exercises). Losing weight, by itself, materially improved my knee pain.)
Stop worrying about mass movements and other people, start figuring out how to work around your limitations and within your strengths to accomplish your goals in a practical way, and you'll do fine.
Best wishes!23 -
Listen... I am willing to be overweight again to feel slightly normal. I lost a monkey ton of weight and got super lean. I am willing to gain 40lbs just to feel better. So... is that fat acceptance? Huh....7
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I see nothing wrong with people wanting to feel comfortable in their own skin. I don't think we should put down anyone for that. Being overweight is not healthy, but neither is putting people down.17
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Personally I feel there is a difference between health at any size, which to me means accepting and loving yourself but subbing for the healthiest version of yourself regardless of where you're at, and the extremist versions of the fat acceptance movement. Generally it's the extremists if any belief system, or way of living in general, that tend to be the loudest and most alienating. Just because you don't agree with Tess Holiday doesn't mean that she should be you're down or bullied. But also, no one should be turn down or bullied regardless of what your weight is and how you feel about (or what you are doing) that weight.
Finding peace within yourself is difficult and getting to a certain size doesn't always equate to gaining that inner peace. Life is difficult. Why try and make it even harder on someone else?6 -
My problem is how some people treat obese people. If some people are finally excepting obese people as a person like them no matter what size they are. I applaud them. I've had some people that are adults that will say unkind remarks. The looks are terrible and some look violent. Most of these are strangers. Maybe I miss understanding the discussion if so I apologize.2
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To those wanting to debate body positivity/"Healthy at Every Size"(HAES)/fat acceptance, may I suggest that there's a wonderful sandbox to play in called the 'Debate: Health and Fitness' part of the forum?
Here's the perfect thread over there:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10376680/fat-acceptance-movement
It would be good etiquette to read the entire 73 pages (or so) of the ongoing debate before diving in . . . since, y'know, the ground may've already been covered. Maybe 8 times.
Just a thought.
(Yeah, this thread started in the "wrong" place; it happens. That could change, but why start anew, even over there?)
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People smoke - *nothing*
People drink alcohol - *nothing*
People eat like crap - *nothing*
People do drugs - *nothing*
Fat person *breathes - Everyone "Watch your health."25 -
ShayCarver89 wrote: »People smoke - *nothing*
People drink alcohol - *nothing*
People eat like crap - *nothing*
People do drugs - *nothing*
Fat person *breathes - Everyone "Watch your health."
Ex-smoker here, this is deeply false.
People say *kitten* to you as a smoker, as an alcoholic, as a drug user.
Hell, Elon Musk, a wildly successful man once publicly smoked pot in a legal state and caught *kitten* about it.
There's really plenty of judgment for everybody.
Seriously, if you're catching *kitten* for being fat, know that you'll probably catch *kitten* for something else if you lose weight so don't let that be a factor in anything.14 -
Fat shaming is wrong and people shouldnt do it to others, however encouraging people to reduce their risk of CAD is completely different6
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Ha. This reminds me of when I used to be obese (and very large in size). People still complimented me and encouraged me to be happy with who I am and that I looked great, etc.
As someone with PCOS, Hypothyroidism, and with T2 diabetes running in my family, if I were to have just listened to them and not lost 50+ pounds and dropped over 8 sizes, I guarantee I would've been diabetic by now. The lower my weight/size, the less severe my PCOS and hypothyroidism symptoms.
"Health at every size" my *kitten* lol.17 -
ShayCarver89 wrote: »People smoke - *nothing*
People drink alcohol - *nothing*
People eat like crap - *nothing*
People do drugs - *nothing*
Fat person *breathes - Everyone "Watch your health."
Ex-smoker here, this is deeply false.
People say *kitten* to you as a smoker, as an alcoholic, as a drug user.
Hell, Elon Musk, a wildly successful man once publicly smoked pot in a legal state and caught *kitten* about it.
There's really plenty of judgment for everybody.
Seriously, if you're catching *kitten* for being fat, know that you'll probably catch *kitten* for something else if you lose weight so don't let that be a factor in anything.
Plus, isnt it also the case that health insurance premiums go up if you're a smoker? That hardly seems like the "nothing" the other commenter claims.5 -
dragon_girl26 wrote: »ShayCarver89 wrote: »People smoke - *nothing*
People drink alcohol - *nothing*
People eat like crap - *nothing*
People do drugs - *nothing*
Fat person *breathes - Everyone "Watch your health."
Ex-smoker here, this is deeply false.
People say *kitten* to you as a smoker, as an alcoholic, as a drug user.
Hell, Elon Musk, a wildly successful man once publicly smoked pot in a legal state and caught *kitten* about it.
There's really plenty of judgment for everybody.
Seriously, if you're catching *kitten* for being fat, know that you'll probably catch *kitten* for something else if you lose weight so don't let that be a factor in anything.
Plus, isnt it also the case that health insurance premiums go up if you're a smoker? That hardly seems like the "nothing" the other commenter claims.
No one said anything to me when I smoked. In fact I got extra breaks at work for it. At 22 I was told I looked cool for it. No one says anything at all to me about the amount of alcohol I consume. In fact they think its kind of cool and they're impressed by it even tho alcoholism runs in my family and I've almost died of poisoning a half a dozen times. When I was using heroin no one gave a *kitten*, I actually was complimented a lot on how thin I was...it was honestly from forgetting to eat and puking so much.
And the thing is too, my smoking hurt other people. Strangers walking past me, my kids. My alcohol consumption could of killed me and left my children motherless, so could of my heroin use. But me being fat only hurts me. I'm the only one that would have to deal with diabetes and whatever else *kitten* would come from it. You could argue that my death would hurt my kids but we're talking about things like I would be the one dealing with having a hard time walking up stairs. The worst thing a fat person is to you is an eyesore. Everyone just needs to get over themselves.15 -
ShayCarver89 wrote: »People smoke - *nothing*
People drink alcohol - *nothing*
People eat like crap - *nothing*
People do drugs - *nothing*
Fat person *breathes - Everyone "Watch your health."
Ex-smoker here, this is deeply false.
People say *kitten* to you as a smoker, as an alcoholic, as a drug user.
Hell, Elon Musk, a wildly successful man once publicly smoked pot in a legal state and caught *kitten* about it.
There's really plenty of judgment for everybody.
Seriously, if you're catching *kitten* for being fat, know that you'll probably catch *kitten* for something else if you lose weight so don't let that be a factor in anything.
Agreed. I quit smoking almost ten years ago, but I got waaaaaaaaay more grief about that than I ever did about being overweight!3
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