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Company tests for and will not hire smokers
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TheRoadDog wrote: »TheRoadDog wrote: »I'll stop smoking cigars, when you take them from my cold, dead fingers.
Ok...and? You'll still smell like cigar smoke and I can't imagine your lungs (among other organs) will thank you. Of course it's not as if riding motorcycles is especially safe either.
I'll keep on not smoking. Better for my health, my bank account, and the health and wellbeing of those around me.
Personal choice. I've never smoked a cigarette and you don't inhale cigars. At least I don't. Also, I don't smoke at work. Only when I am with the guys I ride with or when I am hiking. I'm aware some people don't like the smell of cigars. My wife does does though. I usually smell of cigars, bourbon and BBQ. Have a nice day.
I'm just not understanding the "I'm going to tell you multiple times that I'm going to do what!" it reminds me of a defiant child or teenager. You are in charge of your actions and you can (or can't) live with the consequences of them. Why you think it's important to post multiple pictures of you in reference to smoking is mind boggling to me but such is life, I've seen worse and wonder about more interesting/pressing things.
As far as how healthy or not cigars are, a really quick google search brings up these links from the CDC and NIH (among others):
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/tobacco_industry/cigars/index.htm
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/cigars-fact-sheet
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Epidemiologists and other people who work in public health are certainly concerned with the "but so what?...life choices". I'd also like to think that at least some of us who don't work in public health do actually care about it, regardless of whether or not it effects us.Motorsheen wrote: »TheRoadDog wrote: »I'll stop smoking cigars, when you take them from my cold, dead fingers.
Ok...and? You'll still smell like cigar smoke and I can't imagine your lungs (among other organs) will thank you. Of course it's not as if riding motorcycles is especially safe either.
I suppose life isn't safe..... No-one here gets out alive.
Cigar Smoking seems like one of the more benign habits one could have & if it's part of a social scene & enjoyable, even better.
As for motorcycles. Dangerous? Yeah, sure.. I guess, but 'so what?'..... life choices.
Yes, we all take risks - to think that you're immune to them, however, is a different matter.6 -
What silly comments lol my friend eats too many twinkies and she's 350 pounds and has to take meds to control, or my other friend has unprotected sex and is giving birth to her 12th kid, both are strains, so given those all are all legal things should companies be allowed to test for pregnancy or diabetes or obesity? Make smoking illegal and then you have a discussion. Perhaps companies should only hire statistically intelligent nationalities or people who have a gym membership. Stop believing the crap put out there, any right taken away is another rung up the ladder to your compliance. Enjoy your supremacist future...1
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Epidemiologists and other people who work in public health are certainly concerned with the "but so what?...life choices". I'd also like to think that at least some of us who don't work in public health do actually care about it, regardless of whether or not it effects us.Motorsheen wrote: »TheRoadDog wrote: »I'll stop smoking cigars, when you take them from my cold, dead fingers.
Ok...and? You'll still smell like cigar smoke and I can't imagine your lungs (among other organs) will thank you. Of course it's not as if riding motorcycles is especially safe either.
I suppose life isn't safe..... No-one here gets out alive.
Cigar Smoking seems like one of the more benign habits one could have & if it's part of a social scene & enjoyable, even better.
As for motorcycles. Dangerous? Yeah, sure.. I guess, but 'so what?'..... life choices.
Yes, we all take risks - to think that you're immune to them, however, is a different matter.
Were did anyone say that we are immune to risks?
Do you really want to lead a risk free life?
.... Or are we just discussing degrees of risk?
.... Or risks that make you personally uncomfortable ?
Please just don't place your values on others who don't, because frankly, where does it end?
(for the record, I don't ride motorcycles, smoke cigars (or anything else), do drugs, or drink alcohol etc..... just not my thing.)
What is the end game?
More laws?
More restrictions on personal freedoms? ..... just so others feel better about their choices in life ?
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zamirasoni wrote: »I guess there are really *kitten* places to work for out there. My job does not care and I appreciate that. My husband's job cares but it only does positive enforcement, like insurance discount for getting your blood work done. Just for taking the blood test, independent of the results. Good luck to everyone with a crummy job.
So not forcing one's office mates to smell stale cigarette smoke all day makes someplace a *kitten* place to work?
Guess what, if one chooses not to get their blood work and has to pay more that is a punishment, i.e. negative reinforcement. Some worthless HR consultant is trying to convince people its a reward and benefit.3 -
It appears that quite a lot of I've said has gone way over your head. That and you're reading more into what I wrote than I (potentially) read into what TheRoadDog wrote. I could vear down your path of "personal freedoms vs laws" but it's simply not worth it. I'm not willing to entertain that topic with you right now.Motorsheen wrote: »
Epidemiologists and other people who work in public health are certainly concerned with the "but so what?...life choices". I'd also like to think that at least some of us who don't work in public health do actually care about it, regardless of whether or not it effects us.Motorsheen wrote: »TheRoadDog wrote: »I'll stop smoking cigars, when you take them from my cold, dead fingers.
Ok...and? You'll still smell like cigar smoke and I can't imagine your lungs (among other organs) will thank you. Of course it's not as if riding motorcycles is especially safe either.
I suppose life isn't safe..... No-one here gets out alive.
Cigar Smoking seems like one of the more benign habits one could have & if it's part of a social scene & enjoyable, even better.
As for motorcycles. Dangerous? Yeah, sure.. I guess, but 'so what?'..... life choices.
Yes, we all take risks - to think that you're immune to them, however, is a different matter.
Were did anyone say that we are immune to risks?
Do you really want to lead a risk free life?
.... Or are we just discussing degrees of risk?
.... Or risks that make you personally uncomfortable ?
Please just don't place your values on others who don't, because frankly, where does it end?
(for the record, I don't ride motorcycles, smoke cigars (or anything else), do drugs, or drink alcohol etc..... just not my thing.)
What is the end game?
More laws?
More restrictions on personal freedoms? ..... just so others feel better about their choices in life ?4 -
Epidemiologists and other people who work in public health are certainly concerned with the "but so what?...life choices". I'd also like to think that at least some of us who don't work in public health do actually care about it, regardless of whether or not it effects us.Motorsheen wrote: »TheRoadDog wrote: »I'll stop smoking cigars, when you take them from my cold, dead fingers.
Ok...and? You'll still smell like cigar smoke and I can't imagine your lungs (among other organs) will thank you. Of course it's not as if riding motorcycles is especially safe either.
I suppose life isn't safe..... No-one here gets out alive.
Cigar Smoking seems like one of the more benign habits one could have & if it's part of a social scene & enjoyable, even better.
As for motorcycles. Dangerous? Yeah, sure.. I guess, but 'so what?'..... life choices.
Yes, we all take risks - to think that you're immune to them, however, is a different matter.
That's cool, no worries.
It's just what you typed earlier that had me wondering.
If it doesn't affect you, then why worry about the behaviors that were discussed ?
.... and no, nothing you said went over my head and it was a nice try at an insult, but your previous post speaks for itself.
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@Theoldguy1 It's ok if you love to get your rights trampled on. Stay at your *kitten* job. I like the right to choose how to live my life and as long they are not blowing smoke on my face.. Smokers can do whatever they want.3
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »zamirasoni wrote: »I guess there are really *kitten* places to work for out there. My job does not care and I appreciate that. My husband's job cares but it only does positive enforcement, like insurance discount for getting your blood work done. Just for taking the blood test, independent of the results. Good luck to everyone with a crummy job.
So not forcing one's office mates to smell stale cigarette smoke all day makes someplace a *kitten* place to work?
My two cents....
If a company doesn't want to hire smokers, fine; don't hire smokers.
If you want to smoke, smoke. ( Odds are, you'll be saving Social Security with an early death; Thank You. )
If the smell of cigarette smoke on someone's clothing is offensive, that's my problem, not theirs.
I hate cigarette smoke. It makes me sick to my stomach. I've never smoked a cigarette and I never will. But if I'm in public and someone rolls up next to me smoking, I don't act like a little *kittten*, I just move away from the smoke.
If I hated working at a job where a co-worker's cigarette smoke was overbearing, I wouldn't report him/her to H.R. Instead, I would just man-up and mention it to them.
On the topic of motorcycles, I wouldn't ride one (nor have I ever). Heck, riding a bicycle is scary enough and yes, I've been clipped a couple of times by cars (their fault, not mine). If you ride long enough, something negative is bound to happen. If you want to ride a motorcycle, ride a motorcycle.... just don't expect me to pay for your funeral.
The end question on both of these topics is: ' What to do about them ? '
Let's look at cigar smoking....
Are you going to ban cigar smoking in public?
Why? Because it offends your delicate sensibilities?
Or it an issue of expanding healthcare costs ?
( and the political power and control grab that comes along for the ride.)
Then next, do you ban cigar smoking on one's private property?
... In their own home ? Completely? Slippery Slope.
What vice ( I use the term loosely ) comes after that?
.... and after that ??
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Or because of the effects of secondhand smoke? Mind you the "are you going to ban...?" isn't really a question in various places globally. The are plenty of countries and cities where smoking in places like restaurants (which are considered public) is not legal. I suppose you could make the health care cost claim (though these bans aren't unique to countries with exceedingly high costs of healthcare), but there's also that whole public health piece.Motorsheen wrote: »Let's look at cigar smoking....
Are you going to ban cigar smoking in public?
Why? Because it offends your delicate sensibilities?
Or it an issue of expanding healthcare costs ?
( and the political power and control grab that comes along for the ride.)1 -
Motorsheen wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »zamirasoni wrote: »I guess there are really *kitten* places to work for out there. My job does not care and I appreciate that. My husband's job cares but it only does positive enforcement, like insurance discount for getting your blood work done. Just for taking the blood test, independent of the results. Good luck to everyone with a crummy job.
So not forcing one's office mates to smell stale cigarette smoke all day makes someplace a *kitten* place to work?
My two cents....
If a company doesn't want to hire smokers, fine; don't hire smokers.
If you want to smoke, smoke. ( Odds are, you'll be saving Social Security with an early death; Thank You. )
If the smell of cigarette smoke on someone's clothing is offensive, that's my problem, not theirs.
I hate cigarette smoke. It makes me sick to my stomach. I've never smoked a cigarette and I never will. But if I'm in public and someone rolls up next to me smoking, I don't act like a little *kittten*, I just move away from the smoke.
If I hated working at a job where a co-worker's cigarette smoke was overbearing, I wouldn't report him/her to H.R. Instead, I would just man-up and mention it to them.
On the topic of motorcycles, I wouldn't ride one (nor have I ever). Heck, riding a bicycle is scary enough and yes, I've been clipped a couple of times by cars (their fault, not mine). If you ride long enough, something negative is bound to happen. If you want to ride a motorcycle, ride a motorcycle.... just don't expect me to pay for your funeral.
The end question on both of these topics is: ' What to do about them ? '
Let's look at cigar smoking....
Are you going to ban cigar smoking in public?
Why? Because it offends your delicate sensibilities?
Or it an issue of expanding healthcare costs ?
( and the political power and control grab that comes along for the ride.)
Then next, do you ban cigar smoking on one's private property?
... In their own home ? Completely? Slippery Slope.
What vice ( I use the term loosely ) comes after that?
.... and after that ??
To be honest, I could give a *kitten* if someone smells like an ashtray around me. My point was, IMO, outlawing smoking for employees doesn't make someplace a *kitten* place to work0 -
TheRoadDog wrote: »TheRoadDog wrote: »I'll stop smoking cigars, when you take them from my cold, dead fingers.
Ok...and? You'll still smell like cigar smoke and I can't imagine your lungs (among other organs) will thank you. Of course it's not as if riding motorcycles is especially safe either.
I'll keep on not smoking. Better for my health, my bank account, and the health and wellbeing of those around me.
Personal choice. I've never smoked a cigarette and you don't inhale cigars. At least I don't. Also, I don't smoke at work. Only when I am with the guys I ride with or when I am hiking. I'm aware some people don't like the smell of cigars. My wife does does though. I usually smell of cigars, bourbon and BBQ. Have a nice day.
I'm just not understanding the "I'm going to tell you multiple times that I'm going to do what!" it reminds me of a defiant child or teenager. You are in charge of your actions and you can (or can't) live with the consequences of them. Why you think it's important to post multiple pictures of you in reference to smoking is mind boggling to me but such is life, I've seen worse and wonder about more interesting/pressing things.
As far as how healthy or not cigars are, a really quick google search brings up these links from the CDC and NIH (among others):
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/tobacco_industry/cigars/index.htm
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/cigars-fact-sheet
Don't know why we had to make it personal. I withdraw.4 -
Lots of kittens being thrown around here.
Poor kittens.4 -
josh2452180 wrote: »Lots of kittens being thrown around here.
Poor kittens.
Kitten abuse!
(Or profanity filter, take your pick.)0 -
No one seems to have mentioned that this also cuts out people who have quit smoking but are using NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) or vaping to quit or stay off cigarettes. The huge net cast by these policies does not take that in to consideration. Assuming anyone with nicotine in their system is a smoker is ridiculous in this day and age. I can see wanting to prevent exposure to smells, but policy and no-smoking on premises rules can address this. I have Tourette’s and haven’t smoked in years. NRT helps me on bad tic days to stay in control and keep my pain from mounting. I’d be denied a job under these policies despite not being a smoker!3
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If you were in the US, I suspect that would be covered under the ADA. I mean you would have to have the energy and resources to fight it if it came up which is a bear and then some, but I would assume that'd be an ADA issue.lalepepper wrote: »No one seems to have mentioned that this also cuts out people who have quit smoking but are using NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) or vaping to quit or stay off cigarettes. The huge net cast by these policies does not take that in to consideration. Assuming anyone with nicotine in their system is a smoker is ridiculous in this day and age. I can see wanting to prevent exposure to smells, but policy and no-smoking on premises rules can address this. I have Tourette’s and haven’t smoked in years. NRT helps me on bad tic days to stay in control and keep my pain from mounting. I’d be denied a job under these policies despite not being a smoker!0
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