Carbs are bad. Yes or no?
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No. Eating too much of anything is bad. The body needs the right amount of carbs period. Remember. Vegetables are carbs. And if you are using net carbs in your diary it doesnt mean you arent still eating those carbs.1
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I think that video is a bit of a cheap shot. There are many low carb advocates and authors who are very lean and fit. That should not be the deciding factor. The deciding factor is as simple as it gets: people who eat too much get fat, and people who don't, don't.7
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amusedmonkey wrote: »I think that video is a bit of a cheap shot. There are many low carb advocates and authors who are very lean and fit. That should not be the deciding factor. The deciding factor is as simple as it gets: people who eat too much get fat, and people who don't, don't.
Bingo.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »I think that video is a bit of a cheap shot. There are many low carb advocates and authors who are very lean and fit.
I disagree, obviously. It's like Kiai martial artists who claim to be extremely deadly, to have a 200:0 fight record, who make a ton of money teaching suggestible students, but when they enter the ring, the truth comes out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
OK, some might be advocating low-carb diets and be thin, but why so few (if their ideas are good)? Is this only while they are young? What happens when they follow their diets for years? What happens when they stop spending 3 hours a day on cardio?
The same thing that happens when a plant-based eater stops spending 3 hours a day on cardio: they'll gain weight if they keep eating the same way, and they don't gain weight if they reduce their intake to match their expenditure. I'm someone who eats predominantly starchy foods because I like them and they fill me up. I ate that way when I was very fat, and I eat the same way now that I'm thinner. The only difference is "how much".5 -
Carbs growing above or below ground are perfect. Carbs which come in powder form in a cardboard box? the box might be healthier...17
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First misread as "cats are bad" and was gonna read you the riot act.
Carbs are bad for me. My satiety detector doesn't seem to register them as food. So if I try to go low fat I'm ravenous all the time no matter how many complex carbs I'm eating, and I wind up binging.
Meanwhile if I restrict carbs I merely resent not having as much fruit as I'd like (never been much into bread so cutting it out is a non-sacrifice, just inconvenient because you can't have a sammie for lunch).
I've done Atkins before but this time around I'm just doing calories and biasing a bit toward fats and away from carbs.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »I think that video is a bit of a cheap shot. There are many low carb advocates and authors who are very lean and fit.
I disagree, obviously. It's like Kiai martial artists who claim to be extremely deadly, to have a 200:0 fight record, who make a ton of money teaching suggestible students, but when they enter the ring, the truth comes out...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
OK, some might be advocating low-carb diets and be thin, but why so few (if their ideas are good)? Is this only while they are young? What happens when they follow their diets for years? What happens when they stop spending 3 hours a day on cardio?
just an aside from a low-level aikidoka--I've never heard of Kiai, but it looks like what we'd call a 'stupid ki trick'.
It is genuinely possible to knock someone down without hitting them--but only if the person you are trying to fell is unwilling to get hit.
The way it works is that when you go to strike, you give your target barely enough time to move out of the way, but limit his or her choices as to where they can go to avoid being hit. You can use this to manipulate their physical position and balance so that for the last attempted strike, as a result of trying to not get hit by prior strikes, the only way to avoid the hit from their current situation is to fall.
This relies on several factors. First, you have to legitimately be trying to hit them, so that if they don't move, they *do* get hit hard enough to hurt so they want to avoid it. But you can adjust the pace of your strike to allow them to evade, since your true goal is to manipulate their evasions until they fall. Second, they need to have to have the skill to evade your hit. And third--and this is where that sort of thing fails in MMA--they have to *care* whether they get hit or not.
If they're willing to take a punch or two (knowing how your method is supposed to work) then your non-contact fighting-method isn't going to work. MMA fail.
Also, for those of you about to jump me and say "aikido isn't a real martial art" or "it can't protect you in a street fight"--that's not really why people study aikido. A lot of it is de-escalation so it never gets to a street fight, but in terms of physical conflict, I can use it to take the keys from my drunk pal without hurting him, or to restrain my adult-autistic nephew if he freaks out. And it's probably adequate to escape your average mugger who isn't expecting it. But it's not meant for street fighting or warfare.2 -
And just FTR, the MA movie is negligible irrelevance of an analogy, in a diversity of ways. I'm not even going to bother going into the reasons why, it's so inane from all perspectives. Not even as plausible, rational, logical or well-founded as the very implausible, irrational, illogical, ill-founded video about low carb.
And I'm not a low-carber, BTW, not at all. I'm a high carb balanced-nutrition vegetarian. And a former martial arts practitioner. But not a "kiai martial arts" practitioner, either, since that's not a serious grown-up term sane, actually-knowledgeable people use to talk about any actual traditional martial arts. (And in the style I did, there wasn't kiai at all: It was not part of that tradition.) I freely admit that a good MMA person could kill me. And a good one could kill the MMA guy in the video, too, at least from what one can see in that snippet. Lame, lame, lame.
Yes, my post is off topic. So was the initial MA movie. And commenting on that MA analogy is on topic, in the sense that the nature of arguments, and the evidence given, bear on the overall quality of a line of argumentation. D- for the low-carb video (maybe lower), F- for the MA video (maybe lower).
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Before I found this video, this would be an interesting topic for me, but after I found it, it settled the debate for me.
You could still argue about WHY low-carb fails for many/most in the long-term, or about why these diets are popular despite their ineffectiveness. But it's not so interesting to me.
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You could still argue about WHY low-carb fails for many/most in the long-term, or about why these diets are popular despite their ineffectiveness. But it's not so interesting to me.
Most diets fail for most people in the long term - especially if they are too different from their regular WOE.
That's not a low carb thing, its just a sad fact of all diets thing.
Long term success is the exception, not the norm.
Says nothing about low carb - more about the factors in our society that make eating more than you burn the norm.
another topic entirely.
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Before I found this video, this would be an interesting topic for me, but after I found it, it settled the debate for me.
You could still argue about WHY low-carb fails for many/most in the long-term, or about why these diets are popular despite their ineffectiveness. But it's not so interesting to me.
Then why are you debating it in the debate section if it's not so interesting to you and you have no desire to debate it?3 -
I think the people with the most significant longevity are somewhere in Japan eating a lot of sweet potatoes and a high high amount of carbohydrate. I haven't found the scientific evidence that points to a high fat, high protien diet as a good way to eat over a full lifetime. Nor is a very high carbohydrate diet been proven to be a good way to eat into older age.
I don't think carbs are evil and I like them. I don't feel well when I over indulge in a high amount of carbohydrates combined with a lot of fat.
I vary my food quite a lot. I like vegetables and fruit and basically a vegetarian way of eating, but a lot of my days are lowish in carbohydrates. I'm becoming way more attentive to how I feel and energy levels because I am quite active for my age and its important to me that what I eat works to give me a healthy, good feeling and plenty of energy with a good nights sleep.
So many carbohydrate debates!
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I think the people with the most significant longevity are somewhere in Japan eating a lot of sweet potatoes and a high high amount of carbohydrate. I haven't found the scientific evidence that points to a high fat, high protien diet as a good way to eat over a full lifetime. Nor is a very high carbohydrate diet been proven to be a good way to eat into older age.
I don't think carbs are evil and I like them. I don't feel well when I over indulge in a high amount of carbohydrates combined with a lot of fat.
I vary my food quite a lot. I like vegetables and fruit and basically a vegetarian way of eating, but a lot of my days are lowish in carbohydrates. I'm becoming way more attentive to how I feel and energy levels because I am quite active for my age and its important to me that what I eat works to give me a healthy, good feeling and plenty of energy with a good nights sleep.
So many carbohydrate debates!
Regarding the bold, couldn't that be said with anything edible at all though?2
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