Apple cider vinegar

Terytha wrote: »

Do you think fly bodies dilute vinegar?

I only ask because I think my trap is more fly than vinegar and I'm worried it's not drawing them in like it used to.

But I'm too disgusted to empty it.

Fruit flies are the worst.

I've used ACV, red wine, wine vinegar and whatever else I can think of and still can't get rig of the buggers. Prime fruit season here so not much can be done about it. I've even put up fly strips in the past (and got them caught in my hair).

BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »

tinkerbellang83 wrote: »

BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »

Can’t resist! Off to google Bragg’s...secure in the knowledge we don’t have that make in the UK! 😂

We do actually. Holland & Barrett, Boots and a bunch of pharmacists sell it.

Ahh, never noticed it then! I think I’ve only ever had Aspalls or a supermarket own brand in the house. I’ve just googled it to see what the bottle looks like and I’d have passed over it because it calls itself ‘apple cider vinegar’ and I’m enough of a pedant to dislike seeing that! If it’s CIDER vinegar what else am I going to think it’s made from! 🙄

I do realise that it’s just what Americans call any cider product, but I did say I’m being pedantic 😂

You can get pear cider here in Australia - not in any vinegar form, just the drink.

actually a few other fancy flavours too - but I think they are probably apple base with over laid flavours (watermelon, strawberry, blackberry)

Google Somersby or Rekorderlig

Ok, thats interesting.

Never heard of perry, just called pear cider here - and I imagine it IS pear cider or perry as oppossed to strawberry and the like which are probably apple overlaid with a stronger flavour.

Had to look up what a tautology is - but now that I know, I can think of a few common ones - PIN number, HIV virus.

Pedants could have a field day here

BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »

paperpudding wrote: »

BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »

tinkerbellang83 wrote: »

BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »

Can’t resist! Off to google Bragg’s...secure in the knowledge we don’t have that make in the UK! 😂

We do actually. Holland & Barrett, Boots and a bunch of pharmacists sell it.

Ahh, never noticed it then! I think I’ve only ever had Aspalls or a supermarket own brand in the house. I’ve just googled it to see what the bottle looks like and I’d have passed over it because it calls itself ‘apple cider vinegar’ and I’m enough of a pedant to dislike seeing that! If it’s CIDER vinegar what else am I going to think it’s made from! 🙄

I do realise that it’s just what Americans call any cider product, but I did say I’m being pedantic 😂

You can get pear cider here in Australia - not in any vinegar form, just the drink.

actually a few other fancy flavours too - but I think they are probably apple base with over laid flavours (watermelon, strawberry, blackberry)

Google Somersby or Rekorderlig

Pear ‘cider’ is properly called Perry. And yes, we have a multitude of flavoured ‘ciders’ in the UK too. Kopparberg, Rekorderlig and many others, but I think you’re probably right they’re genuinely flavoured ciders, as in apple based with stuff added.
The point I was making, pedantic as it is, is that cider is, by definition, an alcoholic drink made with apples. Therefore Apple Cider is tautology. 😂

Not if you speak USA-ian, at least in my regional dialect. "Cider" (no other qualifier) in USA-ian is a non-alcoholic drink made in a particular way from apples. It's not the same as apple juice, and may be called "apple cider", but the "apple" part is optional. If alcoholic, it's "hard cider".

claireychn074 wrote: »

I’ve got to try apple cider vinegar as everyone keeps talking about it. I use balsamic vinegar for dressings and that’s yummy - does ACV actually taste fruity? Does it mix okay with olive oil?

Not that I've noticed. To me, the taste on its own is strongly reminiscent of bile. Which rhymes with vile.

snickerscharlie wrote: »

claireychn074 wrote: »

I’ve got to try apple cider vinegar as everyone keeps talking about it. I use balsamic vinegar for dressings and that’s yummy - does ACV actually taste fruity? Does it mix okay with olive oil?

Not that I've noticed. To me, the taste on its own is strongly reminiscent of bile. Which rhymes with vile.

I’m guessing you don’t like it then! 🤣 I love mixing balsamic and a good olive oil together then dipping sourdough bread in... yum. I’ll have to get some ACV and see how it tastes!

paperpudding wrote: »

Ok, thats interesting.

Never heard of perry, just called pear cider here - and I imagine it IS pear cider or perry as oppossed to strawberry and the like which are probably apple overlaid with a stronger flavour.

Had to look up what a tautology is - but now that I know, I can think of a few common ones - PIN number, HIV virus.

Pedants could have a field day here

That's more of a redundancy. A tautology would be more like, "People who just naturally wake up at dawn are early-risers."

lynn_glenmont wrote: »

paperpudding wrote: »

Ok, thats interesting.

Never heard of perry, just called pear cider here - and I imagine it IS pear cider or perry as oppossed to strawberry and the like which are probably apple overlaid with a stronger flavour.

Had to look up what a tautology is - but now that I know, I can think of a few common ones - PIN number, HIV virus.

Pedants could have a field day here

That's more of a redundancy. A tautology would be more like, "People who just naturally wake up at dawn are early-risers."

How is apple cider a tautology (as PP claimed, starting this tangent) but PIN number isnt?

Isnt the 'apple' redundant and the 'number' redundant?



(waits for mods warning about taking thread offtopic )

”Apart from grammar and syntax, tautology is also concerned with logical (or illogical) formulations where things are said unnecessarily, because they could not be any other way, and they're far more common in both creative writing and journalism than one might think:

Before she died, my grandmother used to walk to the shops every day.
When the plane came to a stop, we disembarked.
It's raining outside.
The accident happened at 2:00 am this morning.
Annual Fees are to be paid in four quarterly instalments.”

Apple cider.

“cider
Etymology :From Middle English sider, cidre, sidre, from Old French cisdre, sidre (“beverage made from fermented apples”)

😉

Either way, it doesn’t matter, I did say at the start that it was a personal preference, due to my Englishness, that ‘apple cider’ just grated on me so I’d not buy a product labelled that way. Harmless foible of mine, or so I thought...didn’t mean to spark an argument!

Apparently there are different kinds of tautology. One is grammatical, such as apple cider or PIN number or the La Brea Tar Pits). That's often called a redundancy instead, but I think they are the same.

Rhetorical would be similar, but used more when it's an intentional repetition with rhetorical purpose (whether it works or not). A couple of examples from wiki:

With malice toward none, with charity for all," from Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural address

"With my mind on my money and my money on my mind," from the Snoop Dogg song "Gin and Juice"

I think something like "boys will be boys" too. Or "it is what it is."

A logical tautology is what I think Lynn is talking about (and what I tend to think of most commonly as "tautology" too). It's a proposition that is true given any possible variables. So like 1=1. (Or to make it MFP relevant, a pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of fat.)

I also found this interesting.