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  • watts6151watts6151 Posts: 585Member, Premium Member Posts: 585Member, Premium Member
    jseams1234 wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    LvlUpStr wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »
    I've always found it interesting how actors like the rock and the avengers will claim to eat 5-6k calories per day when adding muscle for a movie and still manage to not gain fat...

    First of all... I know they are not burning it all off everyday in the gym 8hrs per day... Your body just couldn't recover from that, joints muscles etc...

    And even if you could and did burn it all off every day, you wouldn't get any bigger...

    I mean it's possible they just simply starve themselves for 3 months before filming like some bodybuilders do...

    And then there's the obvious ped's... It's a mystery to me honestly

    No mystery, hours of training facilitated by a top noch trainer, dietitian and the best pharmaceutical drugs money can buy

    Depending on the time of the year my bulking cals are often over 6k daily

    Holy smokes... What kind of surplus are you in when bulking?


    Ball park 300-500, the main thing is for me to make sure I’m actually in a decent surplus, nobody actually knows how many calories their burning each day or exactly how many calories they are eating it’s all estimates and best guesses

    Damn, 6000.

    Powerlifter or strongman competitor?


    Just a gym rat focused on physique

    Maintenance in the summer months is around 4000

    Maintenance in winter can often be over5.5k

    It’s early morning starts, attempting to juggle family life, running a business, getting into the gym then making sure the dogs walked,
    Many times in winter I’m walking the dog after 11pm trying to get to bed before midnight. Often I’m eating a whole litre tub of ice cream before bed just to get the calories in

    My go-to is Costco sized bags of Totino's Pizza rolls (pepperoni) and a marinara dipping sauce heavy in olive oil. I can scarf down a plate of those in a few minutes and it's a ton of calories especially if I wash it down with a mass shake. I struggled pretty bad when I was near 5K a day - hated it. Eating anything became a chore and my appetite took such a dive that I was never hungry. I have no idea how you handle such a high maintenance.... ugh.

    Maintenance or especially trying to bulk in winter isn’t fun, at first it’s happy days, basically a see food diet but gets old very quickly.

    My struggles start when the work calms down and I decide to cut, suddenly that 6k goes down to about 3.5k and I’m starving constantly, currently at just under 3k and findinding it really difficult
  • Mr_Healthy_HabitsMr_Healthy_Habits Posts: 9,963Member Member Posts: 9,963Member Member
    Another 0.5lb ☝🏼, ≈ 9lbs since mid Sept...
    Waist measurement and caliper pinch the same 👍🏼

    Measurements everywhere else, up slightly in certain areas, negligible change in others...

    I did add a bit to my bench, row and leg press, among reps and weight on other exercises, and just beat my shoulder press pr by 2 reps 😌

    So I'm not going to worry too much about not seeing the measurement increases I was hoping for... But I'll take them were I did see them...

    Not sure if it's time to increase calories or not yet, eating about 2600-2800/d... Odd considering I probably burn 3-4k/d...

    Started from the bottom now I'm here



  • quiksylver296quiksylver296 Posts: 26,311Member Member Posts: 26,311Member Member
    Two more weeks of bulking, according to coach. Gonna check deadlift 1RM, then a mini-cut. I am soooo ready. 204 lbs this morning.
  • jseams1234jseams1234 Posts: 1,154Member Member Posts: 1,154Member Member
    I've had the flu for the last week. I think I'm finally over it - no fever for the last 24 but hopped on the scale today and lost 9 pounds. I was slamming protein drinks left and right and hoping I didn't drop too much lean mass. I feel and look deflated though. I made sure I kept hydrated as I could.

    I still don't think I'm ready for the gym yet. Maybe Wednesday. :(
  • GaryRunsGaryRuns Posts: 347Member, Premium Member Posts: 347Member, Premium Member
    jseams1234 wrote: »
    I've had the flu for the last week. I think I'm finally over it - no fever for the last 24 but hopped on the scale today and lost 9 pounds. I was slamming protein drinks left and right and hoping I didn't drop too much lean mass. I feel and look deflated though. I made sure I kept hydrated as I could.

    I still don't think I'm ready for the gym yet. Maybe Wednesday. :(

    If it's any consolation the few studies I've seen say that you can take up to 2-3 weeks off strength training before you experience any muscle atrophy from "detraining". Prior to that most of the appearance that your muscles are shrinking is just due to glycogen depletion and dehydration, which comes back quickly when you can start eating and drinking normally again.
  • steveko89steveko89 Posts: 1,566Member Member Posts: 1,566Member Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    How is everyone doing? So much sick going around hopefully everyone is recovering or staying healthy!

    Luckily we've fended off any illness so far.

    My weight trend is creeping down, ever so slightly, predominantly over the last two weeks with some modicum of consistency. For whatever reason my TDEE is tracking at ~100 down from my historical data and I'm not 100% sure why. If anything I've added overall activity going to the Arnold Program. I've got some bookmarked articles to read about tweaking macros but there's part of it that's just me buckling down and improving adherence (still/again) if I'm actually going to ever get properly lean. The additional volume and rep ranges are definitely making a notable difference aesthetically. A few weeks in I'm still adjusting to the extra sets but been able to add reps on main lifts. I need to take some pictures and measurements; I'm off Friday so I it might happen then.

    With my wife finally starting to lift I've had an excuse to get some new toys for the basement, which has been fun. I found a sweet FB marketplace deal on another bar, bumper plates, loadable dumbbells, and some change plates; all Rogue at less than half of MSRP.

    I have a few days of work travel scheduled each of the next two weeks which will necessitate some schedule adjustments.
  • jseams1234jseams1234 Posts: 1,154Member Member Posts: 1,154Member Member
    GaryRuns wrote: »
    jseams1234 wrote: »
    I've had the flu for the last week. I think I'm finally over it - no fever for the last 24 but hopped on the scale today and lost 9 pounds. I was slamming protein drinks left and right and hoping I didn't drop too much lean mass. I feel and look deflated though. I made sure I kept hydrated as I could.

    I still don't think I'm ready for the gym yet. Maybe Wednesday. :(

    If it's any consolation the few studies I've seen say that you can take up to 2-3 weeks off strength training before you experience any muscle atrophy from "detraining". Prior to that most of the appearance that your muscles are shrinking is just due to glycogen depletion and dehydration, which comes back quickly when you can start eating and drinking normally again.

    Thanks - I know I'm just being paranoid and that my body dysmorphia is just rearing it's ugly head. I'm recovered enough to get to the gym today so hopefully I'll swell back up and be able to regain the lost weight pretty quickly. My appetite is still suffering but I've huge bags of mass gainer I can turn to in a pinch. ;)
  • jm_1234jm_1234 Posts: 155Member Member Posts: 155Member Member
    jseams1234 wrote: »
    I've had the flu for the last week. I think I'm finally over it - no fever for the last 24 but hopped on the scale today and lost 9 pounds. I was slamming protein drinks left and right and hoping I didn't drop too much lean mass. I feel and look deflated though. I made sure I kept hydrated as I could. I still don't think I'm ready for the gym yet. Maybe Wednesday. :(

    Sick here too. I'm close to my target but feel very weak. Hoping to be back in the gym on Monday with easy weights...

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  • happysquatterhappysquatter Posts: 91Member, Premium Member Posts: 91Member, Premium Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    How is everyone doing? So much sick going around hopefully everyone is recovering or staying healthy!.

    Doing well, thanks for the check in post. January was flu month for all at home but we've had a brief respite so far in Feb. Looks like one kid ( which means both might soon) is getting a cold but it's par for the course with both of them in daycare.

    Training is going well, a couple niggly issues that pop up from time to time, mostly due to my prev disc hernia and somewhat relatedly knee ligament stuff. But squats continue to progress and continue to do the job in terms of keeping me stable.

    Sleep, these days though, is a valuable commodity I am not able to procure the right amounts of, sadly. It is what it is
  • ryanflebberyanflebbe Posts: 188Member Member Posts: 188Member Member
    watts6151 wrote: »

    Maintenance or especially trying to bulk in winter isn’t fun, at first it’s happy days, basically a see food diet but gets old very quickly.

    My struggles start when the work calms down and I decide to cut, suddenly that 6k goes down to about 3.5k and I’m starving constantly, currently at just under 3k and findinding it really difficult

    I tried to bulk this year, something I haven't done in awhile, and it was a lot like that. I enjoyed it, but way too many instances of, "ugh, why did I eat all that?!". I didn't count calories, but basically ate as much as I possibly could, probably averaging 5,500-6000 calories a day, and I gained a measly 10lb. I swear I think it's all water, I don't think I gained any muscle, or fat, but I did get stronger, so we'll see. It seems age and digestive issues/limitations will keep me smaller now, compared to when I was younger. I just started cutting at 3,500 and I'm hungry too. People think that's crazy, but it's relative. I only managed to bulk up to 225lb. at 5'9". For reference, how big are you?
  • Mr_Healthy_HabitsMr_Healthy_Habits Posts: 9,963Member Member Posts: 9,963Member Member

    Every weekend I seem to gain about 2-3lbs, which naturally comes off over the course of the week...

    I've been trying to keep about a 0.5lb of the weekend gain rather than losing it all by the end of the week and it's been working for the last 9lbs...

    However last Monday I seemed to be down a little bit comparatively to the previous week and was a little worried I might not be able to come in a 0.5lb heavier this Friday and might even have lost weight by weeks end...

    However I'm off work for the next four days which means my activity drops, now I'm concerned about coming in this Friday too heavy 🤷🏽‍♂️...

    I guess we'll see what the tape measure says on Friday and I won't put too much stock in it... Reasses next week
  • steveko89steveko89 Posts: 1,566Member Member Posts: 1,566Member Member
    Every weekend I seem to gain about 2-3lbs, which naturally comes off over the course of the week...

    I've been trying to keep about a 0.5lb of the weekend gain rather than losing it all by the end of the week and it's been working for the last 9lbs...

    However last Monday I seemed to be down a little bit comparatively to the previous week and was a little worried I might not be able to come in a 0.5lb heavier this Friday and might even have lost weight by weeks end...

    However I'm off work for the next four days which means my activity drops, now I'm concerned about coming in this Friday too heavy 🤷🏽‍♂️...

    I guess we'll see what the tape measure says on Friday and I won't put too much stock in it... Reasses next week

    I would assume that like weight loss, controlled weight gain isn't necessarily always linear for the same variability in mass/fluid retention?
  • Mr_Healthy_HabitsMr_Healthy_Habits Posts: 9,963Member Member Posts: 9,963Member Member
    steveko89 wrote: »
    Every weekend I seem to gain about 2-3lbs, which naturally comes off over the course of the week...

    I've been trying to keep about a 0.5lb of the weekend gain rather than losing it all by the end of the week and it's been working for the last 9lbs...

    However last Monday I seemed to be down a little bit comparatively to the previous week and was a little worried I might not be able to come in a 0.5lb heavier this Friday and might even have lost weight by weeks end...

    However I'm off work for the next four days which means my activity drops, now I'm concerned about coming in this Friday too heavy 🤷🏽‍♂️...

    I guess we'll see what the tape measure says on Friday and I won't put too much stock in it... Reasses next week

    I would assume that like weight loss, controlled weight gain isn't necessarily always linear for the same variability in mass/fluid retention?

    Oh yeah definitely...

    For myself neither have been anything but linear, it's been the same thing for years now...

    Weightloss, I gain 2-3lbs over the weekend, deficit or not... Then it all comes off Mon-Fri and hopefully and extra 0.5-1lb... That's what Weightloss looks like for myself...

    This is why I don't put to much stock in cico, there's just so much more at work here... It's why so many people get frustrated with themselves and come on mfp creating threads like "What am I doing wrong, 1k calories a day and still not losing"...

    The fluctuations from a day of rest, or one take out meal, deficit or not (for all the cico zealots out there) will play hell on the scale and really *kitten* with your head...

    I've read in many cases for people who seek help for eating disorders, the first step is often deleting mfp...

    Sorry all I know I took a bit of tangent there
  • GaryRunsGaryRuns Posts: 347Member, Premium Member Posts: 347Member, Premium Member
    For myself neither have been anything but linear, it's been the same thing for years now...

    Weightloss, I gain 2-3lbs over the weekend, deficit or not... Then it all comes off Mon-Fri and hopefully and extra 0.5-1lb... That's what Weightloss looks like for myself...

    This is why I don't put to much stock in cico, there's just so much more at work here... It's why so many people get frustrated with themselves and come on mfp creating threads like "What am I doing wrong, 1k calories a day and still not losing"...

    The fluctuations from a day of rest, or one take out meal, deficit or not (for all the cico zealots out there) will play hell on the scale and really *kitten* with your head...

    I've read in many cases for people who seek help for eating disorders, the first step is often deleting mfp...

    Sorry all I know I took a bit of tangent there

    I should let it go, but CICO (Calories In Calories Out) is the only thing that matters in a healthy person trying to lose, or gain, weight. What doesn't matter are short-term variations in your weight because of fluid retention and food digestion. Pretty simple energy-balance process. How hard, or easy, it is to apply is another matter.
  • Mr_Healthy_HabitsMr_Healthy_Habits Posts: 9,963Member Member Posts: 9,963Member Member
    GaryRuns wrote: »
    For myself neither have been anything but linear, it's been the same thing for years now...

    Weightloss, I gain 2-3lbs over the weekend, deficit or not... Then it all comes off Mon-Fri and hopefully and extra 0.5-1lb... That's what Weightloss looks like for myself...

    This is why I don't put to much stock in cico, there's just so much more at work here... It's why so many people get frustrated with themselves and come on mfp creating threads like "What am I doing wrong, 1k calories a day and still not losing"...

    The fluctuations from a day of rest, or one take out meal, deficit or not (for all the cico zealots out there) will play hell on the scale and really *kitten* with your head...

    I've read in many cases for people who seek help for eating disorders, the first step is often deleting mfp...

    Sorry all I know I took a bit of tangent there

    I should let it go, but CICO (Calories In Calories Out) is the only thing that matters in a healthy person trying to lose, or gain, weight. What doesn't matter are short-term variations in your weight because of fluid retention and food digestion. Pretty simple energy-balance process. How hard, or easy, it is to apply is another matter.

    My respect to you Gary but I'm afraid we are just going to have to disagree on this point...

  • watts6151watts6151 Posts: 585Member, Premium Member Posts: 585Member, Premium Member
    ryanflebbe wrote: »
    watts6151 wrote: »

    Maintenance or especially trying to bulk in winter isn’t fun, at first it’s happy days, basically a see food diet but gets old very quickly.

    My struggles start when the work calms down and I decide to cut, suddenly that 6k goes down to about 3.5k and I’m starving constantly, currently at just under 3k and findinding it really difficult

    I tried to bulk this year, something I haven't done in awhile, and it was a lot like that. I enjoyed it, but way too many instances of, "ugh, why did I eat all that?!". I didn't count calories, but basically ate as much as I possibly could, probably averaging 5,500-6000 calories a day, and I gained a measly 10lb. I swear I think it's all water, I don't think I gained any muscle, or fat, but I did get stronger, so we'll see. It seems age and digestive issues/limitations will keep me smaller now, compared to when I was younger. I just started cutting at 3,500 and I'm hungry too. People think that's crazy, but it's relative. I only managed to bulk up to 225lb. at 5'9". For reference, how big are you?


    I’m 6ft
    Currently at 218lb down from about 228lb.
    I’ve been as high as 245lb on an all out bulk but didn’t feel great and blood work etc went to rat *kitten*, these days I won’t go above 230lb, I’ll usually gain 10lb maybe 15lb at push on a bulk, all in the hope of gaining a couple of lb’s actual muscle.

    I think I’m starting to hate newbie lifters and their easy muscle gains 😂
  • ryanflebberyanflebbe Posts: 188Member Member Posts: 188Member Member
    Yeah, you eat more, you get bigger and softer, you eat less you get smaller and leaner. I swear, I don't think my muscles have actually changed in like 5 years, hahaha.
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Posts: 35,881Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator Posts: 35,881Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator
    sardelsa wrote: »
    How is everyone doing? So much sick going around hopefully everyone is recovering or staying healthy!

    Things are going well over here. I looked at myself in the mirror this morning and thought - wow I look really lean, almost too lean. Which could possibly mean I am not actually maintaining but losing since physique changes do not happen that fast unless I am in a deficit. Uch. Maybe by some chance I am recomping. According to trend weight I am losing again but I am not giving it enough data points because I keep forgetting :s . I also need to pick up a measuring tape and actually take measurements soon to help track progress.

    Lift wise- I am definitely getting stronger and pushing myself more. The only lift I am struggling with is my squats (barbell-wise I only do Zercher squats) they just feel so heavy the past two sessions and my right quad is just so tight, so I gotta work on those.

    Things are mediocre on the diet side. It seems like every time i hit in the 160's i go back up. Again at 172-173 these past few weeks. I am seeing some recomposition but i would much rather get leaner faster. I am noticing that calorie counting is causing me a bit of craziness and always working to max out my budget.

    Workout wise, i am doing very well. Overall increases in volume and loading. Been consistent with my 5 day program, except when i am on travel for work. Unfortunately, i have a lot in March.
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