Coronavirus prep
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Bballnguitarz wrote: »Bballnguitarz wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Bballnguitarz wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »You couldn't pay me to get on a cruise ship right now:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/05/812456413/coronavirus-cruise-ship-in-limbo-off-california-after-former-passenger-died
I wish I would've known about the virus last year when I booked my cruise lol Oh well. As long as I wash my hands constantly and use hand sanitizer I should be alright. Norwegian Cruise Line has been keeping us pretty informed of all of the steps they're taking in response to the virus. They're not messing around lol
Not to fearmonger, but the air filtration systems are also part of the issue on cruise ships. Air goes from cabin to cabin, with outside air being mixed with inside air. The filters aren't fine enough to pick up the virus (unlike planes, which recirculate air, but have filters than can keep the virus out of the air).
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-02-25/how-coronavirus-raced-through-quarantined-cruise-ship
Definitely good to know! Unfortunately, there's not much I can do about that now lol I can't cancel my reservation and receive a refund because I'm sailing in 8 days, plus I don't meet their criteria for being eligible for a refund.
I'm just going to cough as loud as possible to try and keep people away from me as much as possible lol JK!
EDIT: Norwegian now says we can cancel our cruise up to 48 hours before we sail, but we decided to just go on it anyways. Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be a fairly empty cruise!
If that many passengers cancel, it's doubtful that it'd be profitable enough for them to chose to continue the cruise.1 -
Just saw the NCAA "recommends" that the NCAA tournament be played without spectators (just essential personnel and family). My question is, isn't that the NCAA's call? Who decides about their recommendation?
Edited to add: Never mind. Looks like the media report I read used that language, but others are reporting it as a done deal.4 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I would like to remind younger folks that think they'll do just fine with the virus, that if left to run like a house on fire it may morph into something stronger. It' prudent to try and slow it down so it's managable. Northern Italy has seen younger people hit along with the older. I sure hope this thread can keep going without a lock, because I'll be very interested to see everyone's opinions in a couple of weeks or so--I'll bet that they'll change.
Part of the problem in the US is that there is no clear messaging from the top. The president keeps contradicting the CDC and other experts and even went as far as to call it a hoax...but then on the other hand signed an 8.5M spending bill for coronavirus. The messaging from the top is all over the place and inconsistent.
Right now there seem to be two primary camps...people who are panicking and hoarding and people who don't even believe this could potentially be a big issue. On my facebook page I was just reading that Zac Brown has cancelled the remainder of his spring tour in an effort to provide better social distancing with this pandemic...the amount of people cussing him out on the comments section was ridiculous.
The people in the middle of the two extremes who think it's wise to exercise some additional precautions, but not freak out but also not just blow it off seem few and far between.
Here in Italy we had the same exact political reaction. To try and keep people calm. Then they will ramp up a step at a time. Watch carefully what they do--NOT what they say. That's how to sift the wheat from the chaff (I'm from a farm originally).13 -
We just had an announcement on public television by our president, here in Italy. Now every business will be closed: restaurants, hairdressers, barbers, all shops. Effectively the only businesses open will be farmacies and grocery stores. This will be until further notice. China is offering to help us, shipping masks and other medical goods.10
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West Virginia Coronovirus - March 14 the military personnel who came in contact with a positive person will be up unless they test positive or begin to show signs. https://www.wboy.com/top-stories/service-member-at-wvs-camp-dawson-may-have-been-exposed-to-coronavirus/
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rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
It may well be a forgone conclusion that you'll get it at some point, but the whole point of extra precautions like limiting potential exposure is to slow the rate of infection, so that health care systems aren't overwhelmed and those more at risk of severe symptoms have some hope of getting treatment. It's the socially responsible thing to do.
Yes, that was the first point I made in that post.T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following the COVID-19 for awhile............like a lot of you I'm sure. At first I thought, well we have more deaths from seasonal A/B strains and it just didn't seem like anything much different. After a lot of research, of which there is actually very little known about this novel coronavirus so far, I've decided after watching what happened in China, S Korea and now Italy and the US, we need to be very proactive here in containing the virus.
I think it's imperative that those of us who are healthy/young (I'm healthy but not young) do our part to stop the spread of the virus. Our oldest and most infirm among us are at great risk, so it's up to the rest of us to do what we can to mitigate their exposure. Follow the recommendations of local and federal medical personnel.
The numbers of infected are increasing daily because the testing results are finally coming back after a lack of testing kits. Until we have an accurate number of those infected I think it's best to be overly cautious.
We should all practice responsible hygiene... hand washing and such. However, it is clear that this isn't going to be contained. I've already accepted that I will get Covid-19 at some point, just like most everyone else. It is just a matter of when, not if. Personally, I am not any more concerned than about getting a cold. I am young, not healthy, but my immune system is fantastic. So I am not concerned.
Ah, okay, just sort of read like you weren't going to worry about any sort of social distancing etc to help reduce rate of spread.
Well, no... the only "social distancing" I intend to do is minimize high 5's and hand shaking and such. My next marathon is 3/22, half marathons on 3/29 and 4/4. I intend to go to these unless cancelled. And I am going to work, stores, laundromat, etc. just like always. I am running outside just like always. I'm still washing hands and minimizing touching people and shared surfaces, but not going to completely change my schedules for the cold.
I was with you on this until you stated not changing your schedule for "a cold", because it's not a cold. It's death for 15% of people over 80, and for 7% of people in their 70s, not to mention those who have chronic illnesses. Good on you for watching out for yourself, but please think of others as well.
[ETA: Please see my later post referencing death rates by age from WHO]
The cold has higher mortality rates for people 80+ than for people in their 20's also, I'm sure, without even looking for the statistics.
ETA: If the 80-year old wants to stay home, that is their choice just as it is mine to not change my schedule because some people are getting a new version of cold. Just because something spreads fast, kills a small percentage of those it infects (and higher percentage of older people), I am not going to become a shut-in. I wouldn't do this for the cold, influenze, or norovirus - all 3 of which spread fast and have small mortality rates (higher if older) just like Covid-19.
I DID look that up, and couldn't find any info on death rates. I think if it was 7-15%, it might be easier to find on Dr. Google...
Also, I did state I was with you on not being a shut-in--it's just when you called it "a cold" that I call you out. Sure, call it a cold if you want--a mutated cold that overwhelms hospitals and medical personnel, and kills.
Calling it a cold is a metaphor. Except for public panic, Covid-19 isn't significantly different than the common cold.
But that simply isn't true. The common cold is... common. Covid-19 is by definition a novel virus.
You are assuming it will end up having the same risk factors as a cold. And it's presence out in the world is essentially doubling everyone's risk as it is out there in addition to the regular flu, plus the actual common cold.
Granted, the majority of us have a very small risk of the common cold, the seasonal flu, or probably even the novel virus leading to a more life threatening case of pneumonia or other respiratory infection, so doubling that risk isn't a big deal. As a member of a community, I think it's my responsibility to help the vulnerable in my community mitigate their risk, obviously you don't agree and that's fine. But diminishing the increased risk to the community because it doesn't really affect you isn't necessary. And I doubt you'd find an infectious disease expert or respiratory doctor who would sign off on a novel flu virus being the same risk to vulnerable people as the common cold, though I could certainly be wrong on that.
I'm not assuming anything, I am making conclusions based on what is known about the common cold and about Covid-19.I think it's my responsibility to help the vulnerable in my community mitigate their risk, obviously you don't agree and that's fine.
You came to that conclusion because I refuse to be a shut in?! I suppose if that is your definition... but I can tell you based on my observation that you people who are unwilling to leave home are the minority. So if I am the *kitten* for coming out in public, most other people are *kitten* also.
Legit question because maybe I'm missing something, but can you point me to "what is known"? Because folks in the field don't seem to know it, unless I am clearly misreading something. Not being a medical pro myself, this is quite possible.
There is a huge difference between avoiding crowds and being a shut-in. Regardless, my issue was only how you are downplaying the overall risk because the risk to you personally is in your opinion negligible. I have no doubt that most other people are looking at it the same way, that's why I'm concerned. Anyway, I don't think it's your responsibility to be a shut-in, I apologize if what I typed came out that way.
If you look up-thread, someone posted mortality rates at 0.2% for most of us younger people. There was a news report I was looking at just yesterday about an estimate that 50%-70% of us will eventually get it. A majority someday have it and almost everyone recovers just fine.... sounds like the common cold.
As said before, I will continue hand washing just like before. The only thing I am changing is less human contact in the way of high-5's at races, and hand shaking. I refuse to stay at home indefinitely, as previously explained.
Without questioning your or anyone else's personal action decisions, just mathing a little:
327 million people, conservatively, in the US.
50% infection rate (conservative end of your posted estimate)
0.2% mortality rate for everyone of all ages and conditions (very, very conservative interpretation of your posted number, since young people are at lower risk)
Suggests:
163,500,000 infected, most of them little affected, fortunately
327,000 dead
Do I think it will be that bad? No idea. I'm staying calm and carrying on, so far, in my circumstances.
It’s also worth pointing out that while it’s being reported that 80% of people have only mild illness, 20% have serious illness, and so far about 3.4% die, what isn’t being reported as much is that those 20% with serious illness are not “recovering just fine.” Most have to be on ventilators and more than half of them develop sepsis and organ shutdown. This disease has been described by a doctor as leaving your lungs like Swiss cheese. The 16% of people who are seriously ill and then recover are not going back to running marathons, they are severely and in some cases permanently damaged.
Exactly this! It seems that most believe, that someone struck with this virus and/or even the flu'll either make a full recovery or die. I've never come across anyone outside of the medical professional community, consider permanent disability a plausibility of a previously healthy enough working person & yet that's exactly what the flu did to me within 1995, at 14 years old.6 -
cmriverside wrote: »CupcakeCrusoe wrote: »tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Been lurking in this thread for a couple of days, thought I'd drop in the latest from Ireland. At the time of writing we have around 34 confirmed cases in the Republic (South of Ireland) and there are further cases in Northern Ireland (which fall under the UK's stats).
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Schools and universities are open as normal. There has been no overall ban on large gatherings. There was a huge unnecessary political debate between the IRFU and the Minister for Health about the cancellation of the Six Nations Ireland v Italy game, with noone initially wanting to take responsibility for the cancellation of the game. The St Patrick's parades were going to go ahead, then they weren't, then they were and now have finally been cancelled.
Panic buying seems to be a bit hit and miss, some commuter towns have absolutely no toilet roll, pasta, etc on the shelves but city centre supermarkets are pretty quiet compared to normal with full stocks of everything.
I keep a mild interest in the media around it for work purposes (I deal with international travel for our employees) but I get most of my facts and figures from this site, which deals mostly in just stats without the fear-mongering sensationalist headlines. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and keep an eye on major airlines sites such as Cathay Pacific to see what the story is with current travel restrictions.
I am not in the panic stage myself, I have some meals prepped in the chest freezer, adequate normal supplies of cleaning products and consumables, as I normally buy large packs anyway to cut down on plastic waste. I am of the opinion that it is here now, it is going to affect us all at some stage whether directly or indirectly, we can just do our best to minimise the risk to ourselves and to those around us by practicing good hygiene, sensible risk assessment and doing what we can to maximise the effectiveness of the immune system through decent sleep, healthy diet, exercise, etc.
Just heard: now we know it is bad because the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Chicago was just cancelled. The New York one, which has been held every year since 1762, so far is still happening. If they shut that one down, we know the Apocalypse is upon us.
Or, perhaps, if the New York one is not cancelled, that decision will bring the Apocalypse upon us.
(^^^ Intended as a wry, dark-humor joke. Clearly, authorities' role in managing large-attendance events is a serious consideration when it comes to the spread of the virus, and each decision is nuanced and specific. I hope they are well-advised by true experts. While I think authorities are capable of bad decisions (of course), I think it's much more common for some non-experts' "gut feelings" (mistaken for reasoning or common sense) to be less functional than the reasoning of experts who've studied and worked in a field for years to decades, and for some of those non-experts to trumpet their views, arrogantly, as more true and sensible than the eggheads'. Possible? Sure. Likely? No.)
No matter what decision they make it will be judged in hindsight like many of the other decisions have been. It is always easy to know what the right choice is/was if you know the outcome. It might always seem like erring on the side of caution is prudent but if we all did that we would be permanently paralyzed because there is no safe. How many people in lock down areas will die in their homes alone because they were not in public when they had a medical emergency like a heart attack or stroke?
Owning my disagree. I think that avoiding massive crowds during a known and named pandemic is not excessively cautious.
And wherever they get the funds from, if no one comes because of fear of crowds, it will have been a waste of money.
My opinion is obviously to cancel big and crowded events.
The governor of Washington has mandated this as of an hour and a half ago.
Gatherings larger than 250.
Oklahoma university board of regents had a meeting today to discuss the possibility of closing campus and having on-line classes after spring break.
Update: they have just announced they won’t decide by themselves. They are talking with OSU officials, Health sciences Center, the health department and others. It will be a joint decision when it is made.
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »West Virginia Coronovirus - March 14 the military personnel who came in contact with a positive person will be up unless they test positive or begin to show signs. https://www.wboy.com/top-stories/service-member-at-wvs-camp-dawson-may-have-been-exposed-to-coronavirus/
just curious - how is that March 14 when today is March 11? lol
This isn't a confirmed case for WV, though - he has self quarantined since March 9 since being exposed on 2/29. If he doesn't start showing symptoms by March 14, he will be considered in the clear.
I do see in another article that WVU will be moving all in person classes to online or alternate methods, though the campus is staying open for now. I can see why they'd start this; its the biggest campus in the state and has many students from all over the place.0 -
Didn’t say it was a confirmed case .I said exactly what you did after me. Like I said March 14th his quarantine is up unless he shows signs or tests positive- he came in contact with a positive person . You read to fast 💨 happens.0
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Chef Barbell- It’s definitely a PITA we paid double for the tiny cans of corn than our normal salt free giant cans. Once a vaccines out there to procedures for tackling it to curing it that’s more sound y known by all things will get easier. How long will that be don’t know so even my Mother-in-law using a CVS or Walgreens app sending it to her house 🏡. Rest we bring her for now. If you like send a friend request In updating my friends when they ask where to get stuff ..I’m the stay at home mom since this last pregnancy so more time than them. (Csection issues is why)
Now Amazon Fresh has a 4-5 day wait on getting a time slot for delivery. Used to be a 24 hour turn around. Will have to go to the actual store tomorrow... ugh.3 -
pitbullpuppy wrote: »JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Chef Barbell- May have to use other avenues or multiple ones to shop online. We’re even grabbing a high calorie tiny can of corn cause they ran out of corn was all that was left.
EBay -has foods to other items
Walmart.com - has foods to other items
Misfits Market- Vegetables
Butcher box- Meats
Amazon- foods to other items
Many others especially ones MFP is advertising if need be.
Target,SamsClub,Costco,etc even vegan online stores
Not forever but for now do what you gotta do if it’s something you really need. If it’s a want put it on the back burner.
We’re trying to buy more for baby than our normal diets so our stocks looking like a day care.
Just saw Delaware has it’s 1st Case https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/coronavirus/delaware-coronavirus-positive-test/2322213/
Disagree person back waves 🌊 to them
This is a great list and Walmart.com ships a lot of products that might not be available in store. Also Walmart Grocery Pick up (and delivery is available in some places) is a nice alternative.
Sadly not available in Queens, NY... I just checked lol2 -
juliemouse83 wrote: »Been lurking this thread.
I'm in NC, where we have 7 reported cases, mostly in Wake County, where my 81 year old mom lives. She volunteers several times a week at an outreach organization, and emailed them yesterday to let them know that she was staying away until the threat is reduced. I am very relieved she did that. She just had a heart valve replaced in mid-January and is still recovering from that. I thought I was going to have a fight on my hands, as I'd called her to suggest she not go.
I live in a county a bit further east and work in a hospital that is part of a larger organization. The emails have been coming hard and fast for the past couple of days. Our state's first presumptive positive came a week ago last Tuesday. We've been told to phone in to meetings with over 50 people, not hoard PPE, etc. Our county does not have any presumptive positive cases to date.
Some genius decided to start a rumor that we had a COVID patient in our emergency department this afternoon. Let me reiterate that we do not at this time. That *kitten* spread like wildfire and I ended up sending a text to my boss to either confirm it or squash it. He squashed it. In the meantime, one of the ladies in our group was in a panic. She is a legit germaphobe. (How she ended up working in a hospital is beyond me, lol.
) But she was honestly freaked out.
To date, I hadn't been terribly concerned about this, tbh. I am aware of the potential of it spreading into our neck of the woods, but I honestly don't think I truly believed that it would, which was apparent by my own inner reaction, which was a really uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach. If I was feeling that? I knew she had to be feeling so much worse. *sits and wonders what she's going to do when it isn't just a rumor*
Our prep at home is that we have enough food and drinkables to get us through two weeks of potentially not being to go out. @GaleHawkins I have pets and I didn't even THINK about food for them, so off to the local Walmart to get a couple really big bags of dog food just to put in the back room "just in case." At work we are behaving as if the virus is already in the building. In healthcare, you have to be aware of hand hygiene, but this has really made all of us hyper-aware of ALL the surfaces we touch (door lock button combos, elevator buttons, doorknobs, stairwells, etc.) and also aware of how often we touch our faces.
I hope everyone stays healthy, does proper hand hygiene, eats well, and doesn't stress over this too much. Scary? Yes, but stress just doesn't do anything for anyone.
I try to avoid using the inside of my hands, to touch things that aren't my personal property. For instance I use my knuckles, to press elevator buttons.3 -
I am on a cast and in pain; I broke my right wrist on 2/11. This my contribution to this thread since it is hard to type with my left hand only. By the way, my husband and I are in the risk age group since we are super seniors. We are mostly in social isolation. Good that we have a large house to keep us sane
Informative links:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/03/11/epidemiologist-advice-on-how-to-fight-coronavirus-covid-19-column/5012545002/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/health/how-to-clean-work-desk-coronavirus-wellness-trnd/index.html
From the CDC and EPA:
Cleaning removes germs and dirt from surfaces. You can use soap and water to clean surfaces. This doesn't always kill germs, but removing them lowers their numbers. It's suggested to clean surfaces before you disinfect them.
Disinfecting kills germs on surfaces. Disinfectant chemicals are stronger than soap but do not necessarily clean visibly dirty surfaces or remove germs. Killing germs lowers the risk of infection. To properly disinfect, products need to remain on a surface for a specific amount of time -- usually 3 to 5 minutes.
Sanitizing also kills germs, but disinfecting kill more of them. Some products are capable of doing both, but disinfecting requires a bit more work. Still, sanitizers effectively lower the risk of infection.
[i]Even if initial safety tests go well, “you’re talking about a year to a year and a half” before any vaccine could be ready for widespread use, stressed Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.[/i]
https://komonews.com/news/local/behind-the-scenes-scientists-prep-for-covid-19-vaccine-test-03-08-2020
COVID-19 Vaccine Shipped, and Drug Trials Start
Moderna Therapeutics, a biotech company based in Cambridge, Mass., has shipped the first batches of its COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine was created just 42 days after the genetic sequence of the COVID_19 virus, called SARS-CoV-2, was released by Chinese researchers in mid-January. The first vials were sent to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in Bethesda, MD, which will ready the vaccine for human testing as early as April.
https://time.com/5790545/first-covid-19-vaccine/?iid=obnetwork
Note: this seems to be a treatment vaccine to boost the immune system in already infected individuals, and not a vaccine to prevent infection, which will take longer to develop, test in clinical trails and approved.
Stay healthy and take this health problem seriously. Being nonchalant will not solve the problem.10 -
Think Amazon like here doesn’t have a store everywhere but a weeks worth isn’t bad if it’s all you got.
Walmart.com available in Texas in my location no problem but Chef Barbell says not in Queens NY. Guess you got to check your area for what you can find to what types of delivery is available .
I noticed one site MFP recommendation for wouldn’t send to Texas. Lots here are using it tho from other states. Another MFP sends to Texas but not California.
If you find what works for your state post might help another one of us out in the same state.
Been watching Dr John he updates info he finds is a Doctor in Australia if I remember right. So might not align with your country 100% unless you live there.Gives insite on what the Docs are seeing to what that particular country is trying or doing.
https://youtu.be/FZV9z0RVhy4 2 -
I'd think that events that've paying customers'd have insurance for potential cancellations, to then refund their customer's with.3
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DecadeDuchess wrote: »juliemouse83 wrote: »Been lurking this thread.
I'm in NC, where we have 7 reported cases, mostly in Wake County, where my 81 year old mom lives. She volunteers several times a week at an outreach organization, and emailed them yesterday to let them know that she was staying away until the threat is reduced. I am very relieved she did that. She just had a heart valve replaced in mid-January and is still recovering from that. I thought I was going to have a fight on my hands, as I'd called her to suggest she not go.
I live in a county a bit further east and work in a hospital that is part of a larger organization. The emails have been coming hard and fast for the past couple of days. Our state's first presumptive positive came a week ago last Tuesday. We've been told to phone in to meetings with over 50 people, not hoard PPE, etc. Our county does not have any presumptive positive cases to date.
Some genius decided to start a rumor that we had a COVID patient in our emergency department this afternoon. Let me reiterate that we do not at this time. That *kitten* spread like wildfire and I ended up sending a text to my boss to either confirm it or squash it. He squashed it. In the meantime, one of the ladies in our group was in a panic. She is a legit germaphobe. (How she ended up working in a hospital is beyond me, lol. ) But she was honestly freaked out.
To date, I hadn't been terribly concerned about this, tbh. I am aware of the potential of it spreading into our neck of the woods, but I honestly don't think I truly believed that it would, which was apparent by my own inner reaction, which was a really uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach. If I was feeling that? I knew she had to be feeling so much worse. *sits and wonders what she's going to do when it isn't just a rumor*
Our prep at home is that we have enough food and drinkables to get us through two weeks of potentially not being to go out. @GaleHawkins I have pets and I didn't even THINK about food for them, so off to the local Walmart to get a couple really big bags of dog food just to put in the back room "just in case." At work we are behaving as if the virus is already in the building. In healthcare, you have to be aware of hand hygiene, but this has really made all of us hyper-aware of ALL the surfaces we touch (door lock button combos, elevator buttons, doorknobs, stairwells, etc.) and also aware of how often we touch our faces.
I hope everyone stays healthy, does proper hand hygiene, eats well, and doesn't stress over this too much. Scary? Yes, but stress just doesn't do anything for anyone.
I try to avoid using the inside of my hands, to touch things that aren't my personal property. For instance I use my knuckles, to press elevator buttons.
Yes! This! 👍🏼 Yesterday, I used knuckles for the buttons. Today I used the back of my pen, and hit the hand sanitizer dispensers and cleaned the pen, as well. I’m also using the sides of my arm to manipulate push-paddles for doors. I use the heel of my hand for lever knobs and my hips for doors with bar releases. Rather than the hand rails going down the stairs, I use the side of my arm against the walls, as nobody touches them.5 -
Duke, UNC, NC State are moving to online classes until at least 4/20. NCAA not allowing fans. We personally know two families locally who are under quarantine (one is self-imposed). It's starting to hit close to home here.5
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snowflake954 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I would like to remind younger folks that think they'll do just fine with the virus, that if left to run like a house on fire it may morph into something stronger. It' prudent to try and slow it down so it's managable. Northern Italy has seen younger people hit along with the older. I sure hope this thread can keep going without a lock, because I'll be very interested to see everyone's opinions in a couple of weeks or so--I'll bet that they'll change.
Part of the problem in the US is that there is no clear messaging from the top. The president keeps contradicting the CDC and other experts and even went as far as to call it a hoax...but then on the other hand signed an 8.5M spending bill for coronavirus. The messaging from the top is all over the place and inconsistent.
Right now there seem to be two primary camps...people who are panicking and hoarding and people who don't even believe this could potentially be a big issue. On my facebook page I was just reading that Zac Brown has cancelled the remainder of his spring tour in an effort to provide better social distancing with this pandemic...the amount of people cussing him out on the comments section was ridiculous.
The people in the middle of the two extremes who think it's wise to exercise some additional precautions, but not freak out but also not just blow it off seem few and far between.
Here in Italy we had the same exact political reaction. To try and keep people calm. Then they will ramp up a step at a time. Watch carefully what they do--NOT what they say. That's how to sift the wheat from the chaff (I'm from a farm originally).
Thankfully in New Zealand our advice from the top is very clear. There's a daily press conference given by the Director General of the Ministry of Health. There is a very clear message to stay at home from work or school if you have so much as a sniffle, and to avoid large gatherings if you're unwell (the one year anniversary of the Christchurch mosque attacks is this weekend, and there are commemoration events planned). The government is quite ready to shut things down (schools, etc) to curtail spread, rather than waiting for that to be come a necessity. Both public and private sector are putting plans in place for people to be able to work from home, and the government is looking at relief package options for those in industries where they can't work from home.
National pandemic kit has 9 million each of respiratory and surgical masks in stock. Not sure if that includes what individual District Health Boards have.10 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »CupcakeCrusoe wrote: »tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Been lurking in this thread for a couple of days, thought I'd drop in the latest from Ireland. At the time of writing we have around 34 confirmed cases in the Republic (South of Ireland) and there are further cases in Northern Ireland (which fall under the UK's stats).
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Schools and universities are open as normal. There has been no overall ban on large gatherings. There was a huge unnecessary political debate between the IRFU and the Minister for Health about the cancellation of the Six Nations Ireland v Italy game, with noone initially wanting to take responsibility for the cancellation of the game. The St Patrick's parades were going to go ahead, then they weren't, then they were and now have finally been cancelled.
Panic buying seems to be a bit hit and miss, some commuter towns have absolutely no toilet roll, pasta, etc on the shelves but city centre supermarkets are pretty quiet compared to normal with full stocks of everything.
I keep a mild interest in the media around it for work purposes (I deal with international travel for our employees) but I get most of my facts and figures from this site, which deals mostly in just stats without the fear-mongering sensationalist headlines. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and keep an eye on major airlines sites such as Cathay Pacific to see what the story is with current travel restrictions.
I am not in the panic stage myself, I have some meals prepped in the chest freezer, adequate normal supplies of cleaning products and consumables, as I normally buy large packs anyway to cut down on plastic waste. I am of the opinion that it is here now, it is going to affect us all at some stage whether directly or indirectly, we can just do our best to minimise the risk to ourselves and to those around us by practicing good hygiene, sensible risk assessment and doing what we can to maximise the effectiveness of the immune system through decent sleep, healthy diet, exercise, etc.
Just heard: now we know it is bad because the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Chicago was just cancelled. The New York one, which has been held every year since 1762, so far is still happening. If they shut that one down, we know the Apocalypse is upon us.
Or, perhaps, if the New York one is not cancelled, that decision will bring the Apocalypse upon us.
(^^^ Intended as a wry, dark-humor joke. Clearly, authorities' role in managing large-attendance events is a serious consideration when it comes to the spread of the virus, and each decision is nuanced and specific. I hope they are well-advised by true experts. While I think authorities are capable of bad decisions (of course), I think it's much more common for some non-experts' "gut feelings" (mistaken for reasoning or common sense) to be less functional than the reasoning of experts who've studied and worked in a field for years to decades, and for some of those non-experts to trumpet their views, arrogantly, as more true and sensible than the eggheads'. Possible? Sure. Likely? No.)
No matter what decision they make it will be judged in hindsight like many of the other decisions have been. It is always easy to know what the right choice is/was if you know the outcome. It might always seem like erring on the side of caution is prudent but if we all did that we would be permanently paralyzed because there is no safe. How many people in lock down areas will die in their homes alone because they were not in public when they had a medical emergency like a heart attack or stroke?
Owning my disagree. I think that avoiding massive crowds during a known and named pandemic is not excessively cautious.
And wherever they get the funds from, if no one comes because of fear of crowds, it will have been a waste of money.
My opinion is obviously to cancel big and crowded events.
The governor of Washington has mandated this as of an hour and a half ago.
Gatherings larger than 250.
Oklahoma university board of regents had a meeting today to discuss the possibility of closing campus and having on-line classes after spring break.
Update: they have just announced they won’t decide by themselves. They are talking with OSU officials, Health sciences Center, the health department and others. It will be a joint decision when it is made.
Harvard, Yale, Amherst, University of Maryland have all already made this call (send students home, continue with online classes for at least a week or the rest of the semester, depending on the school). There are probably others I've missed.1
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