Coronavirus prep
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I chose not to cancel, my apartment complex activities because most imperatively, there's food there. Being hypoglycemic, I've to prepare for potential food insecurity due to panic shopping especially since this' occurring, even without there being a quarantine yet. I ate a sandwich there & took 1 home. That's 2 meals, that I've easy access to obtaining & that aren't coming, via my pocket currently. Also there's only approximately 10 people that attend the events, thereby it's easy to ensure that everyone's being sanitary.5
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They just cancelled my first cycling event at the end of March (Livermore CA)😔 The one at the end of April in Chico is still on but who knows for how long.
Entry fees for both rides mostly go to the community, so I won't take advantage of refunds if offered. I'm hoping these kinds of precautions will slow the spread and help keep our health infrastructure strong.
That's noble of you, not to take unnecessary advantage!
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Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals.
I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society. 
I want the things they have at the hospital for after you give birth (water wands?)! Is that similar to how a bidet works?
Corncobs baffle me... who first looked at those and thought, "You know what that would be good for?"
Someone with an itch...5 -
I am not a high-risk person, but I appreciated this sentiment:
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my dad in the last year has gotten pretty anti-social, not desiring to go out anywhere and staying home to work in his woodshop or read. While I worry about his mental state (he has depression problems, so this isolating isn't a good sign), this attitude had actually put him in pretty good practice if quarantine measures must be taken in our community.
Speaking of our community - I live in a small, small rural town. My hometown had 942 people in it in 2010; I'm sure that number is down now. My town is mostly residential with a Family Dollar and a Dollar General and that's about it. A slightly larger town, with maybe 1200 people tops, is about 8 miles away, and this is where the local Krogers is located. There might be 30,000 people living in the 3 county radius around this town which use this grocery store - that's how rural this place is.
Also, there still has not been a confirmed case in WV as of yet. Yet when I was in that Krogers tonight to pick up some things I was needing, I walked by the toilet paper aisle and saw maybe 3 packages of the expensive Charmin. There were a few more in a couple of displays at the end of the aisle, but otherwise, the store had been wiped out of TP and paper towels *shakes head* I'm guessing if the local Krogers is out of TP, that probably means so are the Dollar General and Family Dollars, too. And it hasn't even gotten close to us yet!2 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »
Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society.
I want the things they have at the hospital for after you give birth (water wands?)! Is that similar to how a bidet works?
Corncobs baffle me... who first looked at those and thought, "You know what that would be good for?"
Someone with an itch...
well, if you've got a hemoroid.........2 -
I've been following this thread for a few days now and finally decided to post something. This is from on the ground here in So Cal. We have 2 children in CO and another one in San Francisco with their spouses and children. Normally I spend a lot of time in both places. Hubby and I are almost 72 and 70 respectively and I'm probably the healthiest of the two of us.
Here I am with both an expected, and what I hoped would be an unannounced, report from here in So CA. Our daughter in SF who is at risk for COVID-19 because of her lung issues (asthma, bronchitis and pneumonia since 2) who is now 40, is running a fever and has a cough. She's been working from home since Tuesday, as has her legally blind lawyer husband. They both work in the public sector working with folks with disabilities and the homeless as advocates.
Anywhoo, they are both in self isolation although so far my daughter is the only one sick and is hoping to be tested. They have Kaiser insurance and are waiting for an answer. We're sending them some supplies from here as even buying groceries and essentials is tough online for them right now. Lots of empty shelves and missing products online.
I want to go up there to help but I can't leave my husband who has his own health issues even though we feel safe here in our little environment. We work from home and are able to keep a low profile regarding spreading germs.
Hoping you all stay safe and healthy and remember that you may be helping someone else even if you have no symptoms!34 -
Panic buying has set in here (eastern panhandle of WV) - the small, quiet grocery store I frequent was INSANE at 3:00 this afternoon and things like bread were all but cleared out. Dog food was sold out. There were a couple clusters of people chatting as I walked by and the topic for all was CV. The $32 packs of TP at Home Depot we’re leaving with nearly every person I passed...
Channeling my past cloth diapering days (all 4 children, mostly with the “old fashioned” flats because we couldn’t afford the newer, fancier types), and at the recommendation of my husband, I just ordered 10 dozen flannel wipes to have, just in case. I have bleach for washing purposes.
We were starting the planning process for summer trips and activities... not sure now what to do! I can get tickets for Hershey Park through a fundraiser for less than half the regular price, but still not cheap.3 -
Some places here are low on TP, but mainly we just seem to have absolutely no hand sanitizer.
We have 32 confirmed cases in the state (but really they are just about all in my metro area), but that number is meaningless as there's such a shortage of tests so most who could be infected aren't able to be tested.5 -
I am not a high-risk person, but I appreciated this sentiment:
On paper, I'm considered a high risk patient and I still agree with the point. Some misunderstand and incorrectly think I'm saying that old people and those of us with chronic illness are "expendable." I'm not of that opinion at all, but I do know that the same group of us is at higher risk of pretty much every virus going around. That is just part of life. And we skew the overall mortality rate higher. Just like colds, just like influenza, just like norovirus, and so on...5 -
rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »Italy in bad shape. Over 600 dead and over 10k active cases. Hospitals stopped all operations / procedures and overflowing caring for covid patients. Bad scene! We need to be vigilant and people need to stop poo pooing claiming it's just no worse than a regular flu blah blah it is killing people globally.
The regular flu kills people globally
We have the regular flu every year in Italy--it's not on this scale.
https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
This was 2019/2020. Almost 3 Million cases reported by Jan 19 and half a million additional in just one week. At the time of the report deaths were approaching 300. I'm not downplaying the dangers of COVID-19 but the only difference in scale (the flu was worse) is mostly in the response to the outbreak.
With this kind of logic don't you think it's strange that the country didn't go into quarantine in January? The Northern part of Italy is now begging the government to shut down public transportation and all shops and stores that are non-essential. I've seen doctors and nurses crying on TV and begging people to stay home and follow government guidelines. If you feel better believing that this is just a flu then good for you.
For people that want to slow the progression of the virus: no non-essential travel (yes, cancel those vacations), stay away from crowded places, if you go out, wash your hands as soon as you enter your home, keep a distance when meeting and greeting people, avoid touching people, be sensible, do what you need to and look around and see if you can help elderly or infirm by shopping for them and keeping in touch by phone so they don't feel abandoned.
This will pass, but please don't tell people that it's "just the flu" and go about business as usual. I've seen what happens when you do that. Stay safe people.
It's not "just the flu," however I am concerned the responses are promoting panic over preparedness.
In the US this so far this flu season:- 34 million illnesses
- 350,000 hospitalizations
- 20,000 deaths
Realistically, we should (all) exercise more caution during flu season. And if this is how we get there, I am happy for the increased awareness of how easily viruses can be passed. However, where we should be promoting calm and rationality, as well as respect for our more vulnerable citizens, I instead see panic. Such as the doctors and nurses crying on TV mentioned above. How does health officials panic-sobbing help keep citizens calm and following procedures meant to help keep everyone safe? It seems akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater instead of asking folks to get up and quickly proceed to the nearest exit.
I feel like you don’t get what’s happening in Italy right now. Doctors are having to decide who lives and who to just let die because there isn’t enough equipment to go around. One specific example I was given - two otherwise healthy 40 year olds need to be on a respirator, only one respirator, so since one of the 40 year olds has two kids, he gets to keep breathing and the other guy doesn’t. Crying about having to watch people in your care die without helping them is not “panic sobbing,” it’s called grief.
Is that a real example? Because if they're deciding between two healthy 40-year-olds, that suggests they've already given up on caring for most of the folks who are 50+.5 -
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cwolfman13 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »This is a good article that hits all the high points...no pun intended, but it also explains the Flattening of the Curve and why it's important and why things are being done the way they are (with closings and travel bans etc.)
Herd Immunity is a BIG deal...and that's what we have with the seasonal flu, plus we have widespread vaccine use for the seasonal flu. Yes, a lot of people die of the regular flu, but they don't all present at hospitals in a one-month period of time, and they do present at a fairly predictable rate and it's not half the population needing medical help all at the same time.
I haven't gotten any flu in decades, but I do get a flu shot every year. I am careful and I am healthy but I have herd immunity to partially thank for that.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/6/21161234/coronavirus-covid-19-science-outbreak-ends-endemic-vaccine
Specifically about flattening the curve:
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation
Is there any idea of what that time frame looks like in the graph? All I see right now is that things are getting cancelled and postponed indefinitely into the future. If there was a known effective time frame (it look like there is, but the chart isn't marked), then that would ease some concerns. I, for one, would be unhappy if everything is getting cancelled for the "this year and next."
That graph is from the CDC.
The first article specifically delves into, "How Does This End?" - https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/6/21161234/coronavirus-covid-19-science-outbreak-ends-endemic-vaccine
Since this is a New Approach (social distancing/mass closings) we've not tried before with novel viruses, I think your guess is as good as mine.
Sounds like it really isn't known or predicted. I'm not suggesting an end to the virus. In fact, I can see that it becomes a thing that goes around indefinitely like the common cold. I am hoping there is a timeline soon about how long everything gets canceled before the "Flattening of the Curve" is complete and we can start going on with our normal lives again. I'm not concerned about the virus, but I am concerned about the results from panic and uncertainty of indefinite postponement and impending cancellation of events.
Social distancing measure are reducing numbers in China and South Korea...In the US, these measures have started to be put in place way before the numbers reached the level they were in China and Italy (South Korea has had the best response).
It will likely be a thing that goes around like the flu or the cold...but it will also be something for which we will build up herd immunity and vaccinations will ultimately be a thing which will make it more manageable going forward as the speed at which it spreads will slow, allowing the health care system to be able to keep up with it.
We have no way of knowing what the numbers are in the U.S. because only 4,000 or 5,000 people in the whole country have been tested.7 -
I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.3 -
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ This! ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ This, right here is what pisses me the eff off.
Sent to me on my phone a few hours ago from an employee who was concerned. We had another “situation” today that put the fear of God into many at our hospital. Another called me at home, and I asked if she’d seen this. She had, which means most of my team has. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I did my due diligence in searching this on the interwebs and FB, where this originated. 🤬🤬🤬
First of all, while the originator gets props for their Photoshop skills, the actual content? 🤦🏼♀️ OMG!
Not one positive patient’s name in this state has been released to the public. Not one. This would be a HIIPA violation of epic proportions.
Secondly, there are no date references in this “article,” nor are their any sources.
Thirdly? If y’all can see it, the piece is poorly written, with typos throughout.
Fourth? I could find NOTHING about anyone on the east coast going to Seattle to “help” with the nursing home outbreak.
I saw two photos when I searched this on FB, and both had an ungodly amount of shares in our community. The hospital referenced is where I work. There were no other references to this, under anything but “photos.” I explained this to the employee who sent it to me. She was relieved. I also shared my findings with my other one who called me.
Why don’t people do their own research? I’m assuming that not everyone knows that they can (and should) do this.
*kitten* like this is NOT helpful. Not even a bit.
Also, the hubbage went to the local Wally World to pick up a few sundries and some Puffs Plus with Vics, as we are in the throes of pollen season. Gone. Zilch, zip, nada. No other Kleenex-type tissues available. No TP, either, and I hope that the nose rag hoarders wipe with our preferred brand of Puffs. 😂🤣
Y’all stay safe out there, wash your hands and be well.5 -
I also wanted to say that to anyone who still believes this is no worse than the flu, please watch some of the videos coming out of Italy. My husband is from Italy and has family there, so we've been watching what's happening there pretty closely. It sounds pretty scary for the areas hit the hardest. Authorities are pretty much begging people to stay home, and warning people in other countries of what can happen if people don't take precautions.11
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lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
I wonder if it's still too early too see this type of fallout.4 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
Depends on how long it's been circulating through the general population, as opposed to just people who caught it when they were traveling internationally. The incubation period is up to 14 days, and it wouldn't be 20% of "large numbers" at first. It's like rabbits breeding. A few infected people, each infecting a few or dozens more, depending on how much time they spend with other people, until they actually become symptomatic, and hopefully self-quarantine (or end up in the hospital). Then each of the newly infected also infecting a few or dozens more, until they in turn become symptomatic. And some people (possibly including the vast majority of exposed children) never become symptomatic, but may still be able to infect people for weeks.
It is highly likely that for however many people who are currently sick enough to seek treatment, there are many, many additional people already infected who aren't yet symptomatic. And those people are infecting the next generation of several times more people.7 -
@Chef_Barbell I think you hit the nail on the head.
Look at New coronavirus cases per day in the US - see how it increases with time
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-numbers-new-cases-2020-n11572713 -
I had to cancel two bucket list trips today. Hello stress eating (like 2,000 calories of stress eating). Anyone else stress eating? I’d been doing so well. 🤬
I’m higher risk because I have asthma and cancer, so I’m pretty much housebound for the duration. As of Monday, my store was stocked - not sure what will be there tomorrow. I’m fairly stocked except for fresh produce, but fortunately I have access to home delivery.
I’d really love to know when the bulk of this crisis will be over. I’m on borrowed time here. I haven’t seen any estimates. Maybe June?23
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