Coronavirus prep
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »Italy in bad shape. Over 600 dead and over 10k active cases. Hospitals stopped all operations / procedures and overflowing caring for covid patients. Bad scene! We need to be vigilant and people need to stop poo pooing claiming it's just no worse than a regular flu blah blah it is killing people globally.
The regular flu kills people globally
We have the regular flu every year in Italy--it's not on this scale.
https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
This was 2019/2020. Almost 3 Million cases reported by Jan 19 and half a million additional in just one week. At the time of the report deaths were approaching 300. I'm not downplaying the dangers of COVID-19 but the only difference in scale (the flu was worse) is mostly in the response to the outbreak.
With this kind of logic don't you think it's strange that the country didn't go into quarantine in January? The Northern part of Italy is now begging the government to shut down public transportation and all shops and stores that are non-essential. I've seen doctors and nurses crying on TV and begging people to stay home and follow government guidelines. If you feel better believing that this is just a flu then good for you.
For people that want to slow the progression of the virus: no non-essential travel (yes, cancel those vacations), stay away from crowded places, if you go out, wash your hands as soon as you enter your home, keep a distance when meeting and greeting people, avoid touching people, be sensible, do what you need to and look around and see if you can help elderly or infirm by shopping for them and keeping in touch by phone so they don't feel abandoned.
This will pass, but please don't tell people that it's "just the flu" and go about business as usual. I've seen what happens when you do that. Stay safe people.
It's not "just the flu," however I am concerned the responses are promoting panic over preparedness.
In the US this so far this flu season:- 34 million illnesses
- 350,000 hospitalizations
- 20,000 deaths
Realistically, we should (all) exercise more caution during flu season. And if this is how we get there, I am happy for the increased awareness of how easily viruses can be passed. However, where we should be promoting calm and rationality, as well as respect for our more vulnerable citizens, I instead see panic. Such as the doctors and nurses crying on TV mentioned above. How does health officials panic-sobbing help keep citizens calm and following procedures meant to help keep everyone safe? It seems akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater instead of asking folks to get up and quickly proceed to the nearest exit.
I feel like you don’t get what’s happening in Italy right now. Doctors are having to decide who lives and who to just let die because there isn’t enough equipment to go around. One specific example I was given - two otherwise healthy 40 year olds need to be on a respirator, only one respirator, so since one of the 40 year olds has two kids, he gets to keep breathing and the other guy doesn’t. Crying about having to watch people in your care die without helping them is not “panic sobbing,” it’s called grief.
Is that a real example? Because if they're deciding between two healthy 40-year-olds, that suggests they've already given up on caring for most of the folks who are 50+.
That was in an opinion piece written with the clear intent to trigger emotions rather than share facts. Just that the healthcare worker even knows enough about the patients to be aware of the number of kids each patient has is an indication that they are not very busy.
ETA: Here it is: https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797
This piece is describing exactly how Italian doctors need to figure out whom to save. They do link to the guidelines but said guidelines are in Italian. You speak of "clear intent to trigger emotions" but it IS an emotional issue. They are not making all of this up.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/10 -
So much this! ❤️31 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm from Ohio with five at risk siblings, four at home in Ohio. The Ohio Sec of Health today (GOP appointed for conspiracy theorist sake) estimated 100K cases in Ohio right now floating around. They must be seeing a dramatic uptick in hospital cases to come out to the public with that statement. The inundation I've been fearing has already begun.
This sounds awfully high... I looked it up, but I wonder where they're getting that theoretical number from? If true, that's scary...3 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm from Ohio with five at risk siblings, four at home in Ohio. The Ohio Sec of Health today (GOP appointed for conspiracy theorist sake) estimated 100K cases in Ohio right now floating around. They must be seeing a dramatic uptick in hospital cases to come out to the public with that statement. The inundation I've been fearing has already begun.
This sounds awfully high... I looked it up, but I wonder where they're getting that theoretical number from? If true, that's scary...
I wondered the same thing. It's a GOP Governor and appointee. My guess is that they are seeing a huge uptick in hospital cases. They wouldn't say something like this (you wouldn't think) without cause for huge concern.
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/ohio-department-of-health-says-100-000-ohioans-are-carrying-coronavirus4 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
Where is your state getting these tests? Because my state has been trying to test but lacks the ability to do so. I am skeptical that anyone in the US has enough tests to test everyone who should be tested.
Most cases are NBD, but they represent infection vectors and the fear is ending up in the position Italy is, or worse.
https://www.wbtv.com/2020/03/12/north-carolina-works-around-federal-government-find-other-methods-testing-coronavirus/
The article says they don't have enough of the extractor agent and they're "looking" for other sources. It also says there's a lab that has developed another way of testing that doesn't require that extractor agent, but that lab is "stretched thin" as well.
TL;DR: the actual news story doesn't support the headline in the URL.
I saw that too, and I edited my above post to include another headline. It says Labcorp can do several thousand tests a day. I dunno...
https://www.wral.com/nc-widens-coronavirus-testing-criteria/19009212/
That article says Labcorp can do several thousand test a day nationally. So presumably not all for North Carolina. But every little bit helps.4 -
New Mexico is closing all public schools for 3 weeks. Most if not all of the private schools will almost certainly do the same.2
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I am thankful for the open conversation on here! Looking at the news is definitely overwhelming, and I know how quickly facts can get skewed... hearing the first hand accounts and also the logical back and forth conversations has made me feel like I have a mental grasp on the outside world. I am not panicking (although am concerned about the future domino effect on so many levels), but I also don’t have my head in the sand. It’s unprecedented who knows how this will change society for the long haul! (Will “social distancing” be the new norm? P&G is no longer allowing handshakes... will that ease up or be a new part of work culture?)12
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Guys! I’m scared to go the gym tomorrow 🤣🤣🤣7
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The speed with which the research community is moving on this is really kind of inspirational. We are capable of so much when something like this forces us to put all our other crap aside.8 -
The speed with which the research community is moving on this is really kind of inspirational. We are capable of so much when something like this forces us to put all our other crap aside.
A giant first step would be if they could make better testing kits, and many more of them.9 -
The speed with which the research community is moving on this is really kind of inspirational. We are capable of so much when something like this forces us to put all our other crap aside.
A giant first step would be if they could make better testing kits, and many more of them.
A good start would be just to use the testing kits in hand period when people report with flu like complaints.2 -
mhassan160 wrote: »Guys! I’m scared to go the gym tomorrow 🤣🤣🤣
Like is that your job or just an optional activity?5 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm from Ohio with five at risk siblings, four at home in Ohio. The Ohio Sec of Health today (GOP appointed for conspiracy theorist sake) estimated 100K cases in Ohio right now floating around. They must be seeing a dramatic uptick in hospital cases to come out to the public with that statement. The inundation I've been fearing has already begun.
This sounds awfully high... I looked it up, but I wonder where they're getting that theoretical number from? If true, that's scary...
I wondered the same thing. It's a GOP Governor and appointee. My guess is that they are seeing a huge uptick in hospital cases. They wouldn't say something like this (you wouldn't think) without cause for huge concern.
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/ohio-department-of-health-says-100-000-ohioans-are-carrying-coronavirus
It seems like he's saying it's because they've had a case or two that were from "community spread", and when that happens, it's because 1% of the population has it (or is carrying it). I don't know, it still sounds really high to me. I would think he's being advised by someone that should know, but...3 -
Man alive, I spent so much on groceries! I’m now set for a week, maybe two, but it wasn’t easy. Everything is gone. No bread of any kind, no bagels, no tortillas, nothing resembling bread. I have a box of cornbread mix. I was able to buy food by purchasing the luxury “organic” versions of most of the stuff we usually buy but my bill was ridiculous. There was a very old man standing in front of the completely empty peanut butter aisle arguing with his wife over almond butter. “I don’t want almond butter, I just want peanut butter,” he said. And picked up a jar of jelly. “I don’t know why I need this, I don’t have peanut butter.”
All the eggs were broken. Apparently the packs with a broken egg have gotten left and not removed when they restocked until now there are a million broken eggs.
The canned soup aisle looked like it had been hit by a tornado. People were taking photos.6 -
A person in my office had symptoms, went to OHSU to get a test, and was told there wasn't any available unless he and his wife (also feverish and sick) needed to be hospitalized. They were sent home and asked to stay there for 2 weeks. A day later, I have a fever. I can't get a test either of course so here I am at home. Good thing there's "only 1 case" in my county!
Now I could certainly have something else, but fever, irritated throat, and weird feeling in my chest (though no shortness of breath).... and maybe not as bad as the usual flu? Its certainly possible. Either way, there is no way for me, my coworkers that I worked with, the random guy on the treadmill next to me, or my best friend I had dinner with yesterday, to find out. Didn't have any symptoms (great run!) until late last night, so I can only hope I wasn't contagious then!
Thankfully I have all of the food, pet and paper supplies I will need for the next however long, a job that will support me (demanding that I stay home actually), and I'm not in a risk category. Sure is weird, sick and stuck at home, and feeling grateful that my situation is as good as it is.
Get your 2-4 weeks of supplies, not a years worth, ready, because one hour you could be running your hiney off and the next coughing, crappy, and unable to go to the store.25 -
Governor Sisolak declared a state of emergency in Nevada this evening over the coronavirus outbreak. He's implemented an informational website and working to get more testing kits into the state.
My husband went to a Costco in Las Vegas today where a line of people waiting for paper goods and water extended outside and clear around the building. Inside, foot traffic was strictly directed into lines for shopping as well. He grabbed a few items, got discouraged, and came home, an hour's drive. The Walmart in our small rural town runs out of goods routinely in the best of times, so we're in the habit of stocking up when we can. We're both in our 70's and don't plan to go out much in the near future.9 -
I couldn't sleep at about 230am and normally work at 5am so I decided to go to the 24 hr grocery store near me. I figured the only things i needed to stay home for a month would be coffee, deodorant (realized this morning almost out) , a little milk, and some yeast. I also picked up tissues, some granola bars and dish soap. They were unloading pallets of lysol products and had a dozen huge pallets of charmin soft toilet paper but I have plenty.5
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »Italy in bad shape. Over 600 dead and over 10k active cases. Hospitals stopped all operations / procedures and overflowing caring for covid patients. Bad scene! We need to be vigilant and people need to stop poo pooing claiming it's just no worse than a regular flu blah blah it is killing people globally.
The regular flu kills people globally
We have the regular flu every year in Italy--it's not on this scale.
https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
This was 2019/2020. Almost 3 Million cases reported by Jan 19 and half a million additional in just one week. At the time of the report deaths were approaching 300. I'm not downplaying the dangers of COVID-19 but the only difference in scale (the flu was worse) is mostly in the response to the outbreak.
With this kind of logic don't you think it's strange that the country didn't go into quarantine in January? The Northern part of Italy is now begging the government to shut down public transportation and all shops and stores that are non-essential. I've seen doctors and nurses crying on TV and begging people to stay home and follow government guidelines. If you feel better believing that this is just a flu then good for you.
For people that want to slow the progression of the virus: no non-essential travel (yes, cancel those vacations), stay away from crowded places, if you go out, wash your hands as soon as you enter your home, keep a distance when meeting and greeting people, avoid touching people, be sensible, do what you need to and look around and see if you can help elderly or infirm by shopping for them and keeping in touch by phone so they don't feel abandoned.
This will pass, but please don't tell people that it's "just the flu" and go about business as usual. I've seen what happens when you do that. Stay safe people.
It's not "just the flu," however I am concerned the responses are promoting panic over preparedness.
In the US this so far this flu season:- 34 million illnesses
- 350,000 hospitalizations
- 20,000 deaths
Realistically, we should (all) exercise more caution during flu season. And if this is how we get there, I am happy for the increased awareness of how easily viruses can be passed. However, where we should be promoting calm and rationality, as well as respect for our more vulnerable citizens, I instead see panic. Such as the doctors and nurses crying on TV mentioned above. How does health officials panic-sobbing help keep citizens calm and following procedures meant to help keep everyone safe? It seems akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater instead of asking folks to get up and quickly proceed to the nearest exit.
I feel like you don’t get what’s happening in Italy right now. Doctors are having to decide who lives and who to just let die because there isn’t enough equipment to go around. One specific example I was given - two otherwise healthy 40 year olds need to be on a respirator, only one respirator, so since one of the 40 year olds has two kids, he gets to keep breathing and the other guy doesn’t. Crying about having to watch people in your care die without helping them is not “panic sobbing,” it’s called grief.
Is that a real example? Because if they're deciding between two healthy 40-year-olds, that suggests they've already given up on caring for most of the folks who are 50+.
Unfortunately yes..that's why doctors and nurses are not only tired but stressed out--hence breaking up on interviews. News this morning says 50 doctors up North are infected. For those not following --this is Italy.13 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »I'm just thinking that if there were so many "unknown" cases because of lack of testing, wouldn't we be seeing people winding up very sick in the hospitals? I don't think we are, or I am incorrect? 20% of large numbers of sick people would be obvious, I would think.
In my state of NC, at first there was a test shortage due to CDC dropping the ball, but the state took matters into its own hands. The state has obtained test kits from other sources, and are now opening up testing to anyone who shows the symptoms and has a negative flu test.
You are still in early stages. We've found that it takes a week to a month for people to have symptoms. People with less severe cases don't go to the hospital and aren't counted. You're only counting serious cases. People without symptoms are infective.9
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