Coronavirus prep

spiriteagle99 · March 2020

The Governor of Pennsylvania has ordered all "non-life-sustaining" business to close as of 8 pm. No warning. Fines if you continue to operate. Suddenly the entire state is unemployed. It's not quite a shelter in place order, but not far from it. Still no cases in my county.

whoami67 · March 2020

I'm all stocked up on food and supplies. I'm avoiding leaving my home whenever possible. I'm practicing social distancing when it isn't possible. I don't have any plans to go to work for a while...

...except, my company still hasn't cancelled a training course next week. So I have to get on a plane, fly to another state, stay in a hotel and then spend the day sharing CPR dummies and oxygen masks with 30 coworkers while trapped together in a small room. This does not seem wise nor does it seem in the spirit of no large gatherings. And I do not think they're going to like being there with me and my severe cough left over from the flu a few weeks ago.

whoami67 · March 2020

All of California is now "shelter in place".

pinuplove · March 2020

whoami67 wrote: »

I'm all stocked up on food and supplies. I'm avoiding leaving my home whenever possible. I'm practicing social distancing when it isn't possible. I don't have any plans to go to work for a while...

...except, my company still hasn't cancelled a training course next week. So I have to get on a plane, fly to another state, stay in a hotel and then spend the day sharing CPR dummies and oxygen masks with 30 coworkers while trapped together in a small room. This does not seem wise nor does it seem in the spirit of no large gatherings. And I do not think they're going to like being there with me and my severe cough left over from the flu a few weeks ago.

If they want to avoid a lawsuit(s) they will cancel it.

Not to mention that is borderline criminal right now.

kq1981 · March 2020

whoami67 wrote: »

I'm all stocked up on food and supplies. I'm avoiding leaving my home whenever possible. I'm practicing social distancing when it isn't possible. I don't have any plans to go to work for a while...

...except, my company still hasn't cancelled a training course next week. So I have to get on a plane, fly to another state, stay in a hotel and then spend the day sharing CPR dummies and oxygen masks with 30 coworkers while trapped together in a small room. This does not seem wise nor does it seem in the spirit of no large gatherings. And I do not think they're going to like being there with me and my severe cough left over from the flu a few weeks ago.

I can’t believe they would keep something like that still on!! I work in health too (in Australia) and all education, seminars ect have been cancelled. I would be refusing, especially if I was unwell. Take care of yourself

DecadeDuchess · March 2020

I don't understand how I am able to go to Gourmet Lollipops, to purchase 30 match/mix lollipops but I'm unable to go to Campbell's, to order even just 1 case of 12 match/mix soups & not just currently, either because it's a multiple disaster, nonperishable staple.

GaleHawkins · March 2020

Well this Corona Prep thing just got real for me. Murray KY is a small rural/college town and tonight on Facebook it was posted we have our first positive COVID-19 case.

https://wkms.org/post/murray-church-says-visitor-tested-positive-coronavirus#stream/0

Most churches where closed or had services by video but one of the larger ones, University Church of Christ met and this COVID-19 case attended a service there this past Sunday. So many people that I know go there. Basically much of the town will need to be tested. One of the local doctors is to hold a question and answer meeting at noon today (Friday). There are a lot of questions and hopefully we will get some answers soon.

The shelter at home is a good thing for those who want to come out on the other side of these times OK. I was not a fan when our governor shut things down this week. The more I learn about the infection rate and how many of us can have it yet will never know we have COVID-19 but will still spread it that was powerful info.

I understand how many are losing their jobs then house and car, etc. This is not just a KY or CA problem but world wide today. Below is a link with photos and stories from many nations of the world. The world is in a world of hurt.

https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/uk-schools-close-italy-covid-19-deaths-jump-live-updates-200318235116951.html

lynn_glenmont · March 2020

moonangel12 wrote: »

Someone mentioned looting, and now I can’t find the post to quote it...

*now, this is through word of mouth, I can’t confirm it* but wanted to mention so people could be aware because it will likely be a reality soon if it isn’t right now...

My aunt in Ohio said they have already had home invasions in her area for food and basic supplies - people kicking in doors at ridiculous hours in the night holding homeowners at gunpoint. (They don’t live in the best area, but also not the worst). Something that had crossed my mind (thanks to a book series I read a couple years ago), but hadn’t really thought would be a reality for our situation just yet.

As this continues, be mindful of locking doors and taking precautions. Start talking about self/family defense now. Get a game plan with any children that might be in the home. We aren’t panicking, but we are aware of what could be as things progress.

Just want to point out that this seems like the sort of thing that would end up in the news if it were happening, but a Google search (Ohio home invasions for food) did not turn up any news stories that matched the reported facts.

lynn_glenmont · March 2020

earlnabby wrote: »

I just received an email from the center where I donate blood. They are starting to get critically low and are urging people to give. Many blood drives have been cancelled but one near me is still being held on Monday so I just made an appointment. Other than being around people, this is normally a sanitary environment anyway. They outlined their procedures to keep everyone safe:

Donor Health & Registration:
All donor-facing staff will have their temperature taken prior to beginning their work day

Donors temperatures will be taken at registration to ensure they are not elevated prior to entering donation areas

Donors will be asked if they are currently experiencing coughing or shortness of breath

Donors will be asked if they have recently traveled to high-risk countries as defined by the CDC

If any of the above is true, donors will be asked to self-defer

Social Distancing:
We encourage all donors to make an appointment to lessen the amount of people waiting at our blood drives

Ensuring six feet of space between chairs in waiting areas and cafe

Ensuring six feet of space between donation chairs and/or separation with medical screens

If appointment registration congestion occurs, we will ask for your cell phone number and text when your appointment is ready

Cleaning:
We clean all equipment, beds, and other surfaces after each donor finishes their donation

Changing gloves frequently and between donors is part of our normal practice

We will maintain sanitized pen bins, so donors are only using clean pens at sign-in

I had heard appeals for donors on the local news today, so I went to the Red Cross site to look for locations and times to make an appointment, but even looking 10 days out, they only want AB plasma donors and platelet donors. No appointments available for whole blood donations, which is all I've ever done. I'm not AB, so I can't give AB plasma. Maybe the problem isn't lack of donors so much as lack of opportunities (blood drives, etc.) where people can donate.

I guess it bummed me out so much because after nearly a week of #StayingHome , just "not doing" (not going out, not meeting people for meals, not going to work, not going to church) doesn't feel like much of a contribution. I want to do something that helps the situation. I offered to get groceries for an older relative with underlying health issues who shouldn't be going out, but he's determined to keep going out anyway. The few neighbors who are older than me have networks of friends and families to help.

snowflake954 · March 2020

For those of you in small towns--please be careful. Strange, but I've noticed small towns in Italy can be hit hard (just had another one today--40 cases overnight, and complete red zone, lockdown this morning). I think this is because people in small towns think that the big cities are at risk and are not careful enough. Also, elderly, those who should be very careful are resisting the stay at home decree. I can understand because socializing is all they've got left, but it puts them at risk. I talked to my Mom last night by phone. She's 90, and a former nurse, but just doesn't get it. She's out on a farm in the boonies, but has the neighbors coming over to play cards next week (it's her turn). She told me "I don't know if I should cancel it". I'm shouting over the phone "Cancel it, cancel it!" She sighed and said "Well,....OK".

amtyrell · March 2020

Good morning friends,
The roads are empty here in Maryland. Overnight the world death cost went from 9 to 10k the known infected rate is now 240k . I am worried. Those of you on this thread are keeping me sane regarding this so thank you.

moonangel12 · March 2020

lynn_glenmont wrote: »

moonangel12 wrote: »

Someone mentioned looting, and now I can’t find the post to quote it...

*now, this is through word of mouth, I can’t confirm it* but wanted to mention so people could be aware because it will likely be a reality soon if it isn’t right now...

My aunt in Ohio said they have already had home invasions in her area for food and basic supplies - people kicking in doors at ridiculous hours in the night holding homeowners at gunpoint. (They don’t live in the best area, but also not the worst). Something that had crossed my mind (thanks to a book series I read a couple years ago), but hadn’t really thought would be a reality for our situation just yet.

As this continues, be mindful of locking doors and taking precautions. Start talking about self/family defense now. Get a game plan with any children that might be in the home. We aren’t panicking, but we are aware of what could be as things progress.

Just want to point out that this seems like the sort of thing that would end up in the news if it were happening, but a Google search (Ohio home invasions for food) did not turn up any news stories that matched the reported facts.

Correct, hence the bolded and asterisked disclaimer saying that I could not confirm it. I hesitated posting for that reason, but it’s not a far stretch of the imagination as people get desperate. So even if it were not 100% true at this moment, it’s something people need to consider (and prep for, in the spirit of the thread title) as people around them might feel they have no other options, or just don’t care.

goldthistime · March 2020

Regarding the low death rate in Germany, I found an article this morning that says that they are testing 160,000 people a day. So it's more likely the fact that they are picking up most of the mildly symptomatic cases than that they have developed a miracle treatment regimen.

missysippy930 · March 2020

goldthistime wrote: »

Regarding the low death rate in Germany, I found an article this morning that says that they are testing 160,000 people a day. So it's more likely the fact that they are picking up most of the mildly symptomatic cases than that they have developed a miracle treatment regimen.

Any indication of how they got all the tests?
Do you know if they isolated quicker resulting in a lower amount of deaths. What’s the articles reasoning for the lower death rates? Detecting it alone shouldn’t be a reason for the lower death rate. How are they treating it? I would think that treatment would be a key factor in this.

pinuplove · March 2020

missysippy930 wrote: »

goldthistime wrote: »

Regarding the low death rate in Germany, I found an article this morning that says that they are testing 160,000 people a day. So it's more likely the fact that they are picking up most of the mildly symptomatic cases than that they have developed a miracle treatment regimen.

Any indication of how they got all the tests?
Do you know if they isolated quicker resulting in a lower amount of deaths. What’s the articles reasoning for the lower death rates? Detecting it alone shouldn’t be a reason for the lower death rate. How are they treating it? I would think that treatment would be a key factor in this.

Detecting mild cases will definitely lower the death rate. I posted an article earlier in the thread about Iceland, who is also testing a higher proportion of their population than most countries. The numbers were still limited, but at that time almost 50% of those who tested positive were asymptomatic. It won't change the total number of deaths, but catching and counting the milder cases in the denominator will drive the death rate percentage down.

goldthistime · March 2020

missysippy930 wrote: »

goldthistime wrote: »

Regarding the low death rate in Germany, I found an article this morning that says that they are testing 160,000 people a day. So it's more likely the fact that they are picking up most of the mildly symptomatic cases than that they have developed a miracle treatment regimen.

Any indication of how they got all the tests?
Do you know if they isolated quicker resulting in a lower amount of deaths. What’s the articles reasoning for the lower death rates? Detecting it alone shouldn’t be a reason for the lower death rate. How are they treating it? I would think that treatment would be a key factor in this.

Here is my source. Apologies for not linking it earlier. https://www.ft.com/content/c0755b30-69bb-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

ETA: I neglected to mention that it's hit more young people, but imo, that's also because of more testing. In case it's behind a paywall

"According to Lothar Wieler, the president of the Robert Koch Institute, German laboratories are now conducting about 160,000 coronavirus tests every week — more than some European countries have carried out in total since the crisis started. Even South Korea, which is conducting 15,000 tests a day and has been held up by virologists as an example to follow, appears to be testing less than Germany.

“This is about capacity. The capacity in Germany is very, very significant. We can conduct more than 160,000 tests per week, and that can be increased further,” Prof Wieler told journalists this week. Test capabilities would be boosted not least in part by switching laboratories that specialise in animal health towards coronavirus checks. There was no sign that test kits were running low, Prof Wieler added.

In the short term at least, mass testing feeds through into a lower fatality rate because it allows authorities to detect cases of Covid-19 even in patients who suffer few or no symptoms, and who have a much better chance of survival. It also means that Germany is likely to have a lower number of undetected cases than countries where testing is less prevalent. Indeed, one notable feature of the coronavirus outbreak in Germany so far is the high number of relatively young patients: according to data from the Robert Koch Institute, more than 80 per cent of all people infected with the coronavirus are younger than 60."

DecadeDuchess · March 2020

I believe that low death rates, due to increased testing's because those that've it but aren't experiencing symptoms're found & then're put into quarantine sooner, which limits them via transmitting it to others. Plus they'll have access to respirators, prior to their condition worsening.

Athijade · March 2020

pinuplove wrote: »

Detecting mild cases will definitely lower the death rate. I posted an article earlier in the thread about Iceland, who is also testing a higher proportion of their population than most countries. The numbers were still limited, but at that time almost 50% of those who tested positive were asymptomatic. It won't change the total number of deaths, but catching and counting the milder cases in the denominator will drive the death rate percentage down.

This is why whenever I can I explain how the death rate is figured. I point out that it is based on known cases and that the actual infection numbers could be higher. That would mean that right now the death rate is skewed higher. We are not currently catching all the possible infections out there, but only the more serious ones that match a very specific set of criteria. It's basic statistics. I don't think that we will have a perfect idea of the actual death rate after only one round of this. It would take multiple years of study to do so.

Indiana stats:
380 tested
56 cases
2 deaths

So the tested numbers jumped quite a bit, but the cases and deaths have held pretty solid. I don't expect that to continue.

Steff46 · March 2020

Beka3695 wrote: »

My 71 year old mother with multiple health issues refuses to stay home. Even after I told her how serious this was to the point she was crying... still she will not stay at home.

Any advice?

I have this same problem with my elderly parents (late 70's) and mother in law (mid 80's). My husband and I ran the neighborhood yesterday and his mom was outside being lead by the arm by her neighbor back to her house. Seems she had to go visit them to take their mail instead of putting it back in the box. We couldn't get her to understand that the neighbors were being nice but now she has put them and herself at risk. My mother let her bowling league decide her fate. She said she wouldn't stop bowling until they closed the doors......which they finally did........

snowflake954 · March 2020

More on the group of people infected in a small town called Fondi about an hour and a half south of Rome. 47 are infected as of yesterday and they are all seniors that were at a party for Carnevale Feb 25. That's 3 weeks ago! Yikes!

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